Ok, I'll disagree on not playing any center, but I don't want him anyway.
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Ok, I'll disagree on not playing any center, but I don't want him anyway.
You think a 6'6.5" guy can play center? I don't. He has the length to make up for taller PF's (6'9"-6'10") guys, but he'll get abused by anyone close to 7 feet tall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hermy
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Originally Posted by WTFchris
Glen Davis measured 6-7. He plays some 5. Similiar body, style, and strength.
Ben Wallace was 6'7.
i love j-max as an energy guy and a 15 minute sub. but blair is in a whole different class than him. he is a much better player.
and i'm sorry- we're not at the point where we can say 'well, we already have *insert name* and *" "* at that position, so let's draft someone at another position.'
we need TALENT, regardless of the position. we need the best players available. then we can worry about the depth chart later. or we can trade from a position of 'strength'.
we are in desperate need of young talent, so while i'd prefer to get talent at the position of greater 'need', we simply need to get the BPA IMO. blair would easily be 10 times better than any C at #15. and probably a lot better than anybody else at #15 period. (if he were to fall there obviously)
so that would be an easy choice for me.
Who's to say that Blair is the best talent left on the board? Maybe one of those small forwards has equal talent. I like the idea of Austin Daye, just make him work on his strength a ton in the offseason. Doesn't mean he'll get huge, just better at banging bodies. That's essentially what Tay did. He's still thin as a rail but he can bang around a little bit and doesn't get destroyed by contact. Yes, I know he can't guard the big guys like LeBron as well, but in all honesty, who can? He's at least got the length to play off them a bit and still get a hand in their face, and Daye is 6'10" and long so eventually he could learn to do the same thing.
Or James Johnson should be there at #15.
I agree with Higher Warrior though - you pick the best guy available regardless of position.
That's the fucking rule. It's not hard to understand or explain.
In a situation where 2 players are "equal" go big. Bigger guys that can play are harder to find, right?
^esp considering how weak this draft is
Technically, Johnson and Daye are taller than Blair.....
No shit.
blair definitely would be the best left at #15 IMO as i don't think there are more than a handful of guys better than him. and i don't see ANY small forwards period who could be better than him at #15 or anywhere really.
daye? nice 2nd rounder in my book, i don't care where the scouts rate his stock. he couldn't even emerge at gonzaga so i don't see the comparison to prince at all. prince was an established star at kentucky. yeah maybe their physiques are similar but if the kid can't stand out in college, i have to really question how you think he'll somehow do it in the nba against bigger, stronger, more athletic men...?
as for johnson- i'm on the bandwagon and not coming off. that kid can play and he's a top 10 talent IMO. he'll be forgotten about because of the 'potential' and the measurables of all these other kids. but he's a mean, talented kid who will have a long successful career in the nba IMO. i'd take him in a heartbeat and hope we get that chance.
I watched a couple of James Johnson reels, reminds me a little of Josh Howard.
Well, then it's settled #15 = James Johnson.
I doubt Blair lasts on the board that long and do we really want another PG.
(Wipe that smirk off your face Glenn - Joe said Stuckey is the PG but will also play off the ball. Deal with it)
There are rumors that Rubio doesn't want to play for Memphis or OKC, that he would prefer to play for the Clippers or Kings.
The Grizzlies are rumored to be leaning towards Thabeet at #2.
:chad:
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a couple of teams think the Thunder might be willing to trade down in the draft. Two league sources said the Wizards and Thunder already had discussions about a swap of the No. 3 pick for the No. 5 pick and the Wizards' 2008 first-rounder, JaVale McGee.
The Wizards want Rubio but would settle for Thabeet if he's the one who falls. The Thunder would get a long, lanky shot-blocker in McGee and then could get another guy they like, Arizona State's James Harden, at No. 5.
:chad:
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Hmm but why is $25 million the magic number?
That's dumb. He'd have good scoring wings to feed (Durant or Gay). It must just be a market issue, but if so why would he want to go to the Kings then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gl'enn
25 mil is enough for two impact players (Bosh, Boozer, Lee, Amare, etc). 19 mil cuts it pretty close (if both want 10 mil). Plus once you factor in #15 and possibly Dice, you might only have 15 mil to get those two players. If you start at 25, you have 19-20 mil in order to add two big men.Quote:
Originally Posted by RegicideGreg
Climate? Sacramento > Oklahoma, I'd assume.Quote:
Originally Posted by WTFchris
If he's worried about the Climate in OKC or Memphis than he's a pussy and is going to be a bust anyway.
I'm guessing that he'd rather "compete" with Beno for playing time than Westbrook.
I would agree with that. Doesn't Memphis have a couple young PG's too?
When you're looking at job opportunities, don't you take the physical environment of where you're working into account? I don't think it makes him a pussy to want to live in Cali instead of Oklahoma. If I had a job opportunity in Cali and one in OKC, I'd probably want the Cali job.
I highly doubt that's the main focus of his reasoning. I was just tossing it out there as an idea. The PG competition Glenn brought up makes much more sense. Couldn't Westbrook be moved to off guard? I swore I read that right after the draft lottery.
when I'm a top 3 draft pick I hope I get the best playing situation possible. I say screw the city, worry about the best playing situation possible. especially a foreign person who may never have even been to the US. you want the most PT you can get so you can become a FA and play where you want to after a few years. It does no good to go to a nice city, not develop and never get that choice after a few years.
He's needs to make quick and big $ to help pay off that Euro buyout.
He probably knows that he's going to be locked into that rookie contract no matter what, so playing time is what is going to allow him to strike it rich with contract #2.
Or maybe Rubio thinks that in Cali he has more endorsement opportunities and that is how he's gonna pay for his massive buyout?
Anyway, I just noticed something and now I'm more worried about our cap space:
Every single time I see a story about how we're gonna use our space I not only always read about Boozer I read about us signing a guard or forward, too.
And the names mentioned for that other forward spot suggest small forwards, not power forwards.
Why? Why do we need another guard or SF? If we got a quality big to team with Rip, Tay and Stuckey doesn't it make more sense to sign another big man? Why the mention of a SF or guard?
And why do we now need $25 million? $19 mil is plenty, unless they are hell bent on giving Boozer $12 million.
Like I stated elsewhere: as much as $9 million for a big, $4 million for Dice, $2 million is the draft pick, $4 million on the Birdman (which is apparently a good choice and relaistic lol)
So we have $9 million to buy a PF and every single free agent big not named Boozer can be had for that or less IMO.
So again, why the fucking problem?
Are they planning on giving Boozer $12 mil and Gordon $9 mil and that's why we need the extra $6 mil (to keep Dice and pay for the pick)?
What kind of fucking team are we gonna be with Gordon on the bench? Dude is gonna be pissed he's not starting. And how many minutes will Bynum get if we have Stuckey, Rip and Gordon? What about Afflalo? Dude won't play at all, unless he's gonna back up Tay?
And after spending big money on Boozer we now have Dice on a 1 yr deal, Kwame and Amir expiring and Maxiell on his bullshit extension. It's possible that after next season we are left with Boozer and Maxiell and are forced to use the MLE on a big.
Why not get that other big this off-season with the space? FUCK!!!!!!!!1
yeah i read that story at ESPN where supposedly we're looking to trade the #15 and a player like amir to try and free up a couple more million in cap room, to go after 2 big FAs.
said it before and i'll say it again- if we think we can add a couple of pieces to this team with tay and rip still big players for us.....we're kidding ourselves. we need to gut this team and trading those 2 is 100% necessary IMO. i think they have done what they can and they simply have nothing left to offer us as we move forward.
both can still play- don't get me wrong. but they are eaten alive on a regular basis by younger more athletic players who can actually handle the basketball and create their own shots- unlike tay and rip.
REBUILD JOE! don't try any bandaid fixes- we need major surgery!
I agree to a certain extent. I tried to find deals that got us an upgrade at SF and I couldn't find one. With Rip we have several options, either via trade or free agency.
I believe the team needs a fundamental shift - the game has past us by
I think Joe is thinking of a starting unit like this:
In the backcourt would be Stuckey (slasher) and another guy like Ben Gordon. He can handle the ball to some extent and can slasher, but he's also a capable 3 point bomber.
At SF we'll have Prince - he's still a quality defender (he does well against everyone not named Lebron or Paul Pierce).
Up front I don't think Joe is looking for a "traditional" C - I think he wants someone that can hit a 15 footer but that can board and play good D. The guy doesn't have to be a star or anything - just capable of the role.
Unfortunately Boozer seems to be our man at PF. I have no idea why.
Off the bench comes Dice (on a 1 year deal), a 3 point shooting swingman, Bynum, AA and Maxiell plus our Draft Pick.
I don't know where Rip goes or how Joe figures to get his "dream" done but I think that's what he's looking for.
What about, instead of Boozer, moving Rip to the Wizards for Jamison? He can stretch the D and hit the boards. Pick him up, sign Gordon, then look for another big to pair with him?
I think that might have been really possible if the Wiz had won the lottery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zekyl
With them sitting at #5, they can't even get Thabeet.
I think they need Jamison now.
But they're looking at trading up right now. Wasn't that them? Trading up to 3?
Jamison is 33 years old and makes $13 mil a year. The Pistons would be idiots to trade for him right now.
i've never liked jamison's game. but maybe that's just me.
How long does his deal run for?
2012.
Not that it matters. We just dealt a 30+ all-star making that kind of cash because we wanted flexibility. We are not going to get another one back.
I'd really like it if Joe fleeced Washington in a Rip for #5/Nick Young/slug deal.
Solid take by KL.Quote:
Mike (Broadview Heights, Ohio): I was wondering with the trade rumors going on with Rip, is it possible we could get the fifth pick from the Wizards for him?
Langlois: The fifth pick in a bad draft for Rip Hamilton? First of all, it’s an impossible trade. The Wizards are way over the cap. They can’t take on salary without sending back salary. Second, and maybe Flip Saunders would feel differently about it, but Hamilton and Gilbert Arenas doesn’t feel like a compatible backcourt to me unless Gilbert is serious about becoming a more traditional point guard. Third, there’s a reason the Wizards are shopping the No. 5 pick: In this draft, many teams feel they are just as likely to land an average starter with the 15th pick as with the fifth – you’ll just have to pay a lot more to take him at No. 5.
