The Dems allienate an ally, Columbia. Thats it, push them to Chavez.
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The Dems allienate an ally, Columbia. Thats it, push them to Chavez.
Hunh?!? That's not the dynamic. Chavez (radical left) and Uribe (radical right) can't stand each other. They only reestablished diplomatic relations a month ago. Their countries can cooperate, but they're not in any danger of being buddy-buddy.
The issue is -- when do unions turn into terrorists?
Uribe's paramilitary death squads have been involved in killing union leaders as part of establishing order in a chaotic place. Likewise, union leaders have been involved in terroristic activities, much as labor leaders in the U.S. did acts that would be considered terrorism. Who's good and who's bad? Has the Colombian government under Uribe been good enough to get "free trade" status?
It's a fun issue.
I'm sorry, your nuanced analysis doesn't fit neatly onto a partisan scorecard. Therefore... :dismissed:Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Mxy
So whats Chenney smilling at? Look closely at the image in his glasses. I guess he's catching a bunch of shit about it.
http://www.foxnews.com/images/root_i...cheneytext.jpg
On a more serious note...The Navy fired warning shots over the bow of an Iranian boat today.
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Originally Posted by Tahoe
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Originally Posted by New York Times
So it wasn't warning shots, they were actually trying to shoot the Iranians?
I'm not sure, but one thing I am sure about is don't believe anything the NYT prints.
Um, that was sarcasm making fun of how the NYT might spin "warning shots" not an actual quote.
Ahhhh, my bad.
I was bested by gee
This will drop you in the Poster Rankings, for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe
Chick is on a yacht (or boat). Side view of Dick suggests land (grass or hillside). Photoshop gone wrong. Must be the work of the man formerly known as e-ray.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe
I guess I'll just have to hang my hat on making it in the first go-around. :)
I guess that makes me the Appalachian State of WTF.
Taking down Tahoe will gitcha in the Poster Top Ten.Quote:
Originally Posted by geerussell
It's THAT huge.
Kerry pitches in.
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This post of mine seems more relevant today than it was 18 months ago, especially with the revelation that we were literally trying to create a torturous connection between Al Qaeda and Iraq where none existed:Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Mxy
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/66622.html
If you build it, they will come. Yessir.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...042503120.html
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Overall, the public is about evenly divided on the questions of whether torture is justifiable in terrorism cases and whether there should be official inquiries into any past illegality involving the treatment of terrorism suspects. About half of all Americans, and 52 percent of independents, said there are circumstances in which the United States should consider employing torture against such suspects.
Barely more than half of all poll respondents back Obama's April 16 decision to release the memos specifying how and when to employ specific interrogation techniques. A third "strongly oppose" that decision, about as many as are solidly behind it. Three-quarters of Democrats said they approve of the action, while 74 percent of Republicans are opposed; independents split 50 to 46 percent in favor of the decision.
LOL @ "employing torture"
Keeping someone up...Torture.
Keeping them in a cold room...Torture.
Scare them by pouring water over their head...Torture.
I've always said that if we're going to torture (or enhance our interrogations... with artificial torture substitutes) then we should own our practices. Do it here on american soil with american interrogators and open congressional/executive approval. No extraordinary renditions to shady "allies", no legal limbo offshore island torture resorts. Any government practice that can't survive the light of day and happen within the framework of american rule of law shouldn't be happening in the first place.
If accountability for torture gets the responsible parties voted out of office then so be it, the people have spoken.
I guess I should sue my Dad, rip Dad, and all my Uncles tortored all my cousins. I saw a guy torture his son the other day at The Home Depot.
Torture is everywhere.
I actually agree with this to some degree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe
Like bug in a box. Seriously? Bug in a box is torture? Kindergarten boys are torturing kindergarten girls all throughout America this very moment.
Everywhere but here. Apparently if you do all those warm-and-fuzzy-things-that-aren't-real-torture to people on american soil you run afoul of american law.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe
Well if BO wants to look at all of this, go for it. He let the memo's out. When the memo's stated something about getting good info from that-scary-torture stuff (like a bug in a box) they redacted it.
Sorry but I see politics in a lot of what BO is doing here...duh.
So now we should open it all up. Let it all out. Lets have a dicush about it all in the open. He let the terroists know what we do, so lets get it out there. Tell the truth. Tell the truth the American peeps if it worked or not. I really fuckin disagreed with him releasing that shit, btw.
And to be thorough, lets make sure we investigate the Clinton admin too. Lets get that stuff out when Clinton 'reportedly' sent some peeps to other countries.
BO is being a real dickwad on this, imo.
Pystunz Bucketball = TortureQuote:
Originally Posted by Fool
Zubaydah provided good info to the FBI long before the "bug in a box" tactic. It's unclear if the "bug in a box" added anything that he hadn't already told them long before. A lot of the things classified as "revelations" weren't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe
How do you know when to stop torturing someone? KSM was waterboarded 180 times in a month or some shit like that. If the first 179 times didn't work, why should the 180th time? If he confesses to some crime under extreme duress, how do you know that it's not bullshit just to get the torture to stop (as was reported the case with KSM, who confessed to all kinds of things where his real connection was tenuous at best)?
Define "worked". Torture worked very effectively to make us look like shit with a lot of our allies, but is that the kind of effectiveness we want? Do we have any idea of how much information we lost because we tortured people into shutting down where other mechanisms might have opened them up? Judging effectiveness turns out to be hard in most cases.Quote:
Sorry but I see politics in a lot of what BO is doing here...duh.
So now we should open it all up. Let it all out. Lets have a dicush about it all in the open. He let the terroists know what we do, so lets get it out there. Tell the truth. Tell the truth the American peeps if it worked or not. I really fuckin disagreed with him releasing that shit, btw.
Rendition started under Bill Clinton. That's not "reportedly" or rumored, that's simply factual. But under Clinton, rendition wasn't conducted for interrogation purposes, and didn't involve U.S. soil. It was all about removing bad guys on foreign soil without outright killing them, and our agents didn't directly acquire the targets. We matched wanted foreign baddies we cared about as dangers to the U.S. with the foreign countries who wanted them, then supported the locals/third parties who did the kidnappings. Dubya's rendition is occasionally referred to as "extraordinary rendition", to distinguish it from rendition as an extradition thingy the way Clinton implemented it.Quote:
And to be thorough, lets make sure we investigate the Clinton admin too. Lets get that stuff out when Clinton 'reportedly' sent some peeps to other countries.
Bits and pieces of info. Nothing is for sure cuz BO put out what George Soros wanted him to put out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Mxy
PUT IT ALL OUT THERE NOW!
He may have created a :SHIT STORM!: if the Republicans have any balls at all. He can't just put out bits and pieces.
Also, my sources tell me, that Nanci knew of everything, so her meetings were redacted.
The Dems knew of all of this. I can't wait. This is going to get good.
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^two short
Where is your sense of feng shui?
Seriously, once you figure out they aren't going to let you drowned where is the motivation to talk from this technique?
I read Jim Bunning has decided not to run for re-election in Kentucky.
I think it's good news for Republicans because he was not going to win another term. At least now the seat has a far better chance at staying red.
I guess Ron Paul's kid, Rand Paul is going to run as the Republican.
Anyone else still waiting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fool
I didn't know he was sick. T&P He was liked by lots of peeps on both sides.
17th round draft pick by the Detroit Lions.
Jack Kemp was someone who I disagreed with profoundly, but I think he honestly believed what he said he believed. One of the few GOPers of his time to really sincerely reach out to blacks. He was liked by everyone he knew. He will be missed.
^ I see what you did there
Well, I give the guy a lot of credit - he was sincere and good-hearted. He was a big player during an era (the 80's) when the GOP had a ton of credibility, and he was a big reason for that credibility. By all accounts, he was an intellectual to be reckoned with even during his athletic career. He was kind of like Bill Buckley Jr. but more down-to-earth. The 1996 presidential race might have ended differently if he had gotten top billing instead of Dole.
You're not likely to get this kind of praise out of me for a modern Republican, so take it for what it's worth. He was the kind of Republican politician I could still respect and that says a lot. May he find sublime peace.
I'm 100% with Swami on this. Good guy with an actual ideology aimed at improving government and the country. We could use a lot more of it on both sides of the aisle.