Tay is the least of :our: concerns right now, IMO.
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Tay is the least of :our: concerns right now, IMO.
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Originally Posted by Glenn
Well, I have a feeling that Joe would do a deal that brings us a superstar big man even if the payroll increased a hair (like Amare). He may then have to move a big man for less than market value (Max perhaps) to get back under that level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
I could see us giving up a role player for less than market value, but not passing up a major deal because of the tax.
I guess I'm talking when he shot 32% from the field and averagedd 9pts per vs. Boston and shot 22% with 8 pts per vs Cle the year before, both ECF. Pierce has averaged 19 last year and so far this year, so I wouldn't really call that noteworthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Mxy
He was playing 40+ mpg without a usable backup and got worn down by the time he was against the other team's MVP both times. He's not as good as Paul Pierce or LeBron. Find me a wing player that doesn't "disappear" against either of those two. This isn't as easy as it sounds. I hold more resentment against Chauncey, who had backups, who got schooled by Rondo and Boobie as often as not.Quote:
Originally Posted by jturbo
Tay averaged 33mpg in 07-08 regular season and just under 40mpg before we played Boston in the ECF. In 06-07 he was at 36mpg and 40mpg before Bron. Both seasons there were days off in between games, no back to backs in the playoffs. Sure he's never had a real back-up, but shit, the benches shorten come playoff time anyway, minutes expand, for every starter.
I'm not dogging his D, that's a whole other problem. Bron & Pierce are not great defenders, we needed Tay to step up his O....and he folded......bad......IMO. I think there are quite a few wings out there that could score on those two.
On Billups I agree 100%, he was the first guy I wanted to see leave the team, got my wish and living with it.
Amar'e wants to play in a "playground" offense. Doesn't sound like the Pistons.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/11294057
And I contended at the time, and still believe, that the Shaq trade was the death of the Suns.
:mccosky:
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Don't expect a big Pistons trade
If Dumars makes any move, it likely will be a minor trade, maybe for a backup small forward.
Chris McCosky / The Detroit News
AUBURN HILLS -- With the trade deadline less than four weeks away (Feb. 19), Pistons president Joe Dumars is doing what he typically does -- keeping his eyes, ears and phone lines wide open.
Though, truth be told, he's not likely to make another major deal, if even a minor one.
"We will be open until the trade deadline," Dumars said. "We won't shut it off and say there's no possible way we can make a move. I don't think you can do that."
But there is no urgency to deal. Dumars has made one blockbuster trade this season, acquiring Allen Iverson for Chauncey Billups. The Pistons took the court Friday against the Dallas Mavericks with their ninth different starting lineup, three-fifths of which was different from last year.
What Dumars is looking for in the second half of the season is stability, not another adjustment. So a major rotation-busting deal is unlikely.
"You can look at your team and feel you have a need for one more piece, but unless you can get that specific piece, it doesn't make sense to just go out and make a deal," Dumars said. "It would have to be a specific piece."
And it would have to come at a specific price. The Pistons are roughly $700,000 over the luxury-cap threshold, and that number could increase at the end of the year if some player incentives are met. Unless an irresistible player becomes available, Dumars isn't going to take on more payroll.
That said, the Pistons could probably do with a small forward to back up Tayshaun Prince. With Walter Herrmann out of the rotation, the Pistons have been using shooting guards Richard Hamilton and Arron Afflalo to spell Prince.
Dumars probably wouldn't turn away from another frontcourt player or perimeter shooter, if the price is right.
I just don't think that Rip and Tay have the right builds to be effective for 40+ mpg for any great stretch, even with playoff spacing, TV timeouts, etc. Being on the court is not the same as being effective on the court, and their games rely on their being relatively zippy and mobile for their build. I agree with you to some degree, but I also think we expect too much from them. Herrmann needs to be in the rotation. <groan>Quote:
Originally Posted by jturbo
Pierce is pretty good on D. Bron's gotten better, and has the advantage of being a megastar who gets lotsa love from the refs when it comes to contact.Quote:
I'm not dogging his D, that's a whole other problem. Bron & Pierce are not great defenders, we needed Tay to step up his O....and he folded......bad......IMO. I think there are quite a few wings out there that could score on those two.
Of course, a badly-fading AI wasn't what anyone really expected...Quote:
On Billups I agree 100%, he was the first guy I wanted to see leave the team, got my wish and living with it.
I'm actually starting to wonder if, at some point, Dumars will start selling off other assets for expiring contracts (and to get under the tax line).
I suppose that means Amir, since the cupboard gets pretty bare after this season (contract-wise) unless you think Tay/Rip could be moved for expirings.