That's not close at all, Mxy.
Nice try.
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That's not close at all, Mxy.
Nice try.
This is some funny shit wil! I mean, you don't oppose the sentiment that dobson and donahue manipulate religion for political purposes, but you do assert that the manipulation of religion is not a sin. Do you know what the word manipulate means? Of course, American-style representative govt. had not been invented when events in the Bible took place so if you look to scripture for what is allowable, you're on thin ice. Nonetheless, any reasonable interpretation of the Bible would conclude that Christians should be skeptical of government and their leaders, not to coopt government for religious purposes. The inquisition is a famous instance of coopting govt. for religious purposes and i doubt the perpetrators would be held in high regard with the God they supposedly believed in.
donahue and dobson are free to make public comments about political preferences, but not to pass religious judgment on those who disagree. When i talk of dobson and donahue burning in hell, it is to drive home the point of how ridiculous it is to proclaim religious judgment on those who disagree with their politics. I don't proclaim to know what will happen to dobson or donahue after death. However, no religious leader has the right to pass judgment on the political decisions of others because it asserts an authority they do not possess. they can assert their opinion, they can cite scripture, but they must not assert religious certainty.
As the esteemed Jesus said:
"My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence" (John 18:36)
Please, the only people who listen to what Dobson and Donahue say are people that would vote Republican anyway.
With all the mainstream media slanted towards Obama, wouldn't that be manipulating people to vote for Obama?
It's the same thing.
Dobson's not going to support anybody who's pro-choice anyway. So it should come as no surprise to you, really.Quote:
You shall not murder (Exodus 20:13).
passing political judgement = giving their opinions on each candidate
So it's ok to play the religion card in politics? So where do you stand on the separation of Church and state?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilfredo Ledezma
When you brag about which side has more Christians, you irresponsibly miss out on your responsibility to avoid throwing religion into the mix.
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There's nothing in scripture that would suggest is a sin.
Manipulation involves deception which is most definitely a sin and one of the first in the Bible. Its a pathetic shame that you call yourself a christian and i have better fundamental values on this with that ignorant statement you made. IMO people like that serve themselves, not their Lord. And for sponges like yourself the Bible speaks of you.Quote:
1 Timothy comes pretty close, IMO:
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Originally Posted by 16:18
Religion plays a much bigger role in people's lives than politics do, especially for Christians. Your free to vote for whoever you want, but at the same time, Christians are more likely to vote for somebody who has similiar values. Often times that ends up being the Republican candidate, by default.Quote:
Originally Posted by Codename V
Now, I've never been to a church where the minister publically endorses Candidate A or Candidate B. But at the same time, I've heard ministers say they're pro-life or against homosexual marriage. Both of those issues are clearly stated in the Bible as acts of sin. So with the Bible being the fundamental doctrine of Christianity, that's not manipulation, it's morality.
I'm not bragging. It's a statement of fact, "most Christians vote Republican". Part of the reason I'm voting for McCain is because he has similiar values that I have. And those very values are ones in which I have gained through growing up in a Christian household.Quote:
When you brag about which side has more Christians, you irresponsibly miss out on your responsibility to avoid throwing religion into the mix.
And your telling me that when the mainstream media anchors clearly show favortism towards Obama & Democrats by HUGE proportions, that they aren't trying to manipulate their viewing audience into voting for Obama? Please, let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.Quote:
Manipulation involves deception which is most definitely a sin and one of the first in the Bible.
Well, that's your opinion. Nobody's perfect, especially myself. But since you obviously aren't a Christian or a Conservative, I'm not going to expect you to know where I'm coming from. Nor do I claim to represent all Christians. I speak for myself and what I've encountered.Quote:
Its a pathetic shame that you call yourself a christian and i have better fundamental values on this with that ignorant statement you made. IMO people like that serve themselves, not their Lord. And for sponges like yourself the Bible speaks of you
Christian, Conservative, Republican...in that order
you know this how?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilfredo Ledezma
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Originally Posted by Sir Douche Baggins
Codename said...
Obviously he was implying that it was pathetic that I, a christian, had lesser values than himself.Quote:
Its a pathetic shame that you call yourself a christian and i have better fundamental values on this with that ignorant statement you made
He wouldn't have compared us had he not been implying the fact that I was a Chrisitan, and he wasn't.
It's not to say he isn't religious, but clearly he's not claiming to be a Christian.
Not passing judgement, just using what you give me. I could care less who you or anybody serves.
Unless you can back that statement up, you should back off of it because it only applies to the narrow segment of fundamentalist christians. Fundamentalist, by definition, being those who believe in the literal interpretation of every word in the bible as being god's word transcribed by man. Since only the republicans cater (pander) to that view, all the people living on a 6000 year old flat earth are going to vote republican because life begins at flirtation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilfredo Ledezma
However you can not, as you have repeatedly attempted to do, extrapolate the views of the fundamentalists to every christian. While the country is predominantly judeochristian, that group isn't monolithic no matter how much the republican party would like it to be.
Our brewing religious war here might have great consequences for Obama's safety... NOT! :) I posted that section of the Bible that's widely seen as pertaining to honesty in government, so I blame myself for some of this.
Has anyone stopped to consider that Obama might want to get shot at?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/1..._n_135028.html
Willy's right that I'm not Christian(close, but I refuse to claim an orthodox group), ignorantly wrong that I need to know where he's coming from to understand Christianity and how it relates to society. Again that college money is going to fucking waste.
Now this is where you're arrogant ass explains how this has anything to do with religious figures exploiting believers for political manipulation. Or did they teach you to just reply with anything you think is similar? You didn't justify one wrong by pointing out another and your religion speaks against this practice you live by.Quote:
And your telling me that when the mainstream media anchors clearly show favortism towards Obama & Democrats by HUGE proportions, that they aren't trying to manipulate their viewing audience into voting for Obama? Please, let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.
There is no opinion involved in you being wrong about your own scriptures and religious fundamentals. You've fabricated your responsibilities and sins as a christian to cater to your preferences as a person. You prefer to be an arrogant prick, But its not endorsed by your religion, nor does it passed w/o being addressed by the bible. Someday I hope you grow up and learn about your beliefs rather than blindly saying you are part of a religion you can't even read up on.Quote:
Well, that's your opinion.
You can't have it both ways kid, either you don't represent Christians or you are the one we all have to know where he's coming from to get Christianity. Man you are ignorant to a pure bliss Fredo eyes wide shut.Quote:
Well, that's your opinion. Nobody's perfect, especially myself. But since you obviously aren't a Christian or a Conservative, I'm not going to expect you to know where I'm coming from. Nor do I claim to represent all Christians.
Well you fail from the jump kid. Good luck finding your way, no matter what you think you're not there.Quote:
Christian, Conservative, Republican...in that order