Amir Johnson is still a project.(Also, science project ideas for all you youngsters!)

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Originally Posted by Matt

in our half court system, he looks like a 3 year old in a crowded mall. lost.

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If you don't ever have a play run for you, of course you're lost.

Our half-court "system" consists of "jump first, three second, maybe go inside if I can draw a foul third, jump fourth, three fifth", and we only ever put Amir in as the 5th option. Is that a weakness with Amir, or the system?

i know i say the same things over and over, but we have an interest in developing amir johnson. developing means playing the dude, and taking some bruises for the greater good.

amir johnson clearly is a talent. no one i've seen has said otherwise. he COULD develop into an impact player in this league. but will he? probably not. talented players fizzle out all the time, and it looks alot like we're more than happy to see amir go the way of the darko.

its really not even worth getting upset over anymore. i just hope we can still use him in a blockbuster trade and have him be a big piece.

Hey, what is vegas putting the odds at that Flip says Amir is not playing because he lost his teddy bear when he was 8 and he's not emotionally over it yet.

Give me a break, Flip is such an idiot and hypocrite. He says he need "strength and experience". How the hell do you get experience playing 2 min. in a blowout.

How many games are we up 20 and going into the fourth and Amir comes in with 5 min. left??? Play him, and let him work through his mistakes. At least give him the opportunity to fail instead of not even giving him that chance.

Joe D. please can Flip and either take over the team or bring in Bill Laimbeer.

lol @ anyone thinking the pistons would listen to laimbeer

seriously guys..

I'd like to think they would listen to Laimbeer more than they do Flip. Seeing as how no one pays attention to Flip now.

The absolute truth is that we might as well trade Amir while he still has value. He will never progress as a Piston. Why??

This team is incompetent at handling young players and shows no signs of getting any better. I don't give a shit if they are young or raw or whatever. Give them some PT and let them develop.

Examples:

Afflalo is given several games as a starter when Rip is out, plays well, and then gradually sees his role reduced until he doesn't even make it into some games.

Samb show reall promise in his only real playing time against the Lakers and as a reward is sent to the D-league.

Maxiell shows defensive skills and tons of energy yet rarely plays his first two years in the league.

Amir.........never gets to play despite showing glimpses of greatness.

Darko.....ok, he sucks but his development was handled extremely poorly to say the least.

Stuckey....this is the only player who they seem to be developing correctly. They are getting him his pt and letting him make mistakes so that he learns.

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Originally Posted by micknugget

The absolute truth is that we might as well trade Amir while he still has value. He will never progress as a Piston. Why??

This team is incompetent at handling young players and shows no signs of getting any better. I don't give a shit if they are young or raw or whatever. Give them some PT and let them develop.

Examples:

Afflalo is given several games as a starter when Rip is out, plays well, and then gradually sees his role reduced until he doesn't even make it into some games.

Samb show reall promise in his only real playing time against the Lakers and as a reward is sent to the D-league.

Maxiell shows defensive skills and tons of energy yet rarely plays his first two years in the league.

Amir.........never gets to play despite showing glimpses of greatness.

Darko.....ok, he sucks but his development was handled extremely poorly to say the least.

Stuckey....this is the only player who they seem to be developing correctly. They are getting him his pt and letting him make mistakes so that he learns.

Agree 100%. I do think that Stuckey needs to start showing something though. The doubters are starting to get pretty mad, especially here, and with some good reason.

I think there are some people here in the grip of post-darko traumatic stress when it comes to rookies. Maxiell and example of failure? Amir anything but a raw project? Samb ready for big minutes? Get a grip.

Look around the league and find another legitimate contender that just dumps PT on every rookie that comes their way. I'll spare you the trouble, it doesn't happen. Only in the case of extreme need or extraordinary talent do rookies get a ton of burn on a good team.

Most rookies follow a three-year arc of working the way into the rotation and if they don't do it in the third year they go on the scrap heap. Add another year or two for high school projects.

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Originally Posted by geerussell

I think there are some people here in the grip of post-darko traumatic stress when it comes to rookies. Maxiell and example of failure? Amir anything but a raw project? Samb ready for big minutes? Get a grip.

Look around the league and find another legitimate contender that just dumps PT on every rookie that comes their way. I'll spare you the trouble, it doesn't happen. Only in the case of extreme need or extraordinary talent do rookies get a ton of burn on a good team.

Most rookies follow a three-year arc of working the way into the rotation and if they don't do it in the third year they go on the scrap heap. Add another year or two for high school projects.

First of all, I think that you are badly misquoting me or simply don't grasp my argument.

Maxiell is a perfect example of how NOT to handle our younger players. I NEVER called him a failure but can you honestly say that we couldn't have used his energy or shot blocking interior presence in last years ECF?? If he had played during teh regular season more he might have been a factor.

I also never said anything about Samb getting "BIG MINUTES". He does deserve to be in the team and get a few minutes of PT at least every other game so that he can become comfortable.

You HAVE to play your rookies at least a little. It boosts their confidence and bring in energy. Contenders or not, you have to get them some pt. And the fact at saying contenders don't play rookies is just plain WRONG. I don't know where you get your information but just look around. Look at the Spurs. The played Udrih as a rookie. They played Oberto. How about Cleveland and Boobie. He played as a rookie. Dallas with Devin Harris a few years ago and now with Barea. The list goes on and on.

I also love how everyone is complaining that the Pistons real problem is no interior D and a lack of rebounding. WE have thet in Samb and Amir.......if they ever played. A friend of mine was saying how the Pistons need a guy like Biedrins in the middle. Would you rather have Amir or Biedrins??? I'll take Amir and some growing pains.