I took it as those 3 things are what the Knicks look for and Curry has 2 of them.
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I took it as those 3 things are what the Knicks look for and Curry has 2 of them.
I meant that those are the qualities NY look for and any pick they make must meet 2 out of 3.
I have no idea on Curry - your guess is as good as mine on his D
NBADraft.net now has us taking
James Johnson at #15
I like that pick, based on his bio. Guy sounds like a solid player. Not going to be a superstar, but he'll be a solid backup for Tay and could develop into a starter in time.
i really like johnson. i think i mentioned him when we were having another discussion on the draft or offseason somewhere....
he's a granger type guy IMO and is as tough as nails. he can play some PF but he's really a SF and he can score in a variety of ways from all different spots on the floor. he's still developing but i think he's going to be a guy a lot of people overlook......until he's hurting them a couple years into his nba career.
I read his bio on Draft Express and thought he'd be a good pick.
At least he's not undersized.
If he can play both positions at a reasonable level and has range then Joe might fall in love with him. If he's got no 3 point range at all we might look elsewhere.
i wish the nba was like the nba- those 3 second rounders could easily be traded for a high pick in the nfl. but in the nba where high picks have even greater value and roster spots are at a premium, no such deal would happen.
But a team looking to shed guarenteed $$$ could look to trade out of the first round, use those 2nd rounders on Europeans and leave those guys in Europe.
Would save some tax $$$ plus the salary you don't pay the player.
Highly unlikely we trade for a late first rounder, though
good point. although IMO any pick past about 20 is almost worthless this year. guess we'll see but right now very few of these kids in the 2009 draft intrigue me.
Those Euro-stash picks are more dangerous these days because the Euro teams have almost as much $ as NBA teams do now.
WTF does a team care? They only wanna dump their first, not draft quality Euros to bring over later
I completely disagree. Scola was a Euro-stash pick and he's turned out pretty darn well, granted not with SA because he couldn't reach an agreement with them but they weren't just drafting to save money on him. Same with that PF that was drafted last year, I don't remember his name, but he's a solid prospect that the team really wants to bring over but his euro buyout is in the way.
Memo? Stashed him for a year or two and that turned out great (yes, he was a 2nd rounder).
I don't think the Spurs brought Flop over the year they drafted him.
Some teams draft them to save money, but some teams legitimately want to give them another year in Europe then see if they have a potential stud.
Quote:
Donna (Southfield, Mich.): I like the idea of the Pistons getting younger. For the draft, I really like DeJuan Blair. I think he’s going to be a better rebounder and scorer than Max. I’m curious about Joe’s attitude toward picking up a foreign player or two in the second round. Has the Darko experience eliminated the thought of going Euro?
Langlois: Blair’s numbers at Pitt in two years were significantly better than Maxiell’s at Cincinnati, both overall and especially over Max’s first two years, particularly in rebounding. While Maxiell averaged 7.0 rebounds a game at Cinci, including a career-best 7.7 as a senior, Blair averaged 11.0 boards a game in his two years at Pitt, including 12.3 as a sophomore before declaring for the draft. Since scouts are pretty unanimous in their belief that rebounding numbers most reliably translate to the NBA, Blair should have decent NBA numbers. The question with him will be his ability to score and defend inside, lacking the explosiveness of Maxiell, when he’s probably only an inch or so taller than Maxiell. It’s true the Pistons have not drafted a European since taking three of them, Darko and Carlos Delfino included, in 2003. But with three second-round picks and, most likely, an interest in stashing at least a few of them internationally for a few seasons, there seems a decent chance they’ll select a European this summer. Of course, the international crop is also deemed weak this year, but the Pistons haven’t made scouting internationally any less a priority.
In my scenario the team giving up the first doesn't want Europeans. They don't want anyone from this draft class. The whole point of giving up the first is to save money.
Once they make the deal who gives a flying fuck what they do with our second round picks? Let them draft a bunch of Euros. Good for them. They could draft me and I wouldn't give a shit.
But after reading as much as I can about this Draft and I have not found 1 article saying that this is even a good draft! So if it's that bad then we should be looking to trade our picks to get out of the Draft and get a capable player via trade.
OR I'd offer the picks to guarantee we get the guy we want (like Lawson, Johnson or someone like that)
I still say if you can move into the top 5ish without giving up too much, go for it. If you're looking at moving into 6-10, its probably not worth it unless you're just giving up bench fodder and a 2nd rounder.
Can't wait for the Lottery to be determined.
It will be interesting to see where Washington is picking.
If they drop that should cause a serious spike in articles related to them trading their pick. As long as we're linked to that I'll be happy.
At #3, #4 or #5 I believe we can get a quality player. Dude might not be an All-Star but he should become a quality starter...
Or is that expecting too much from this Draft?
The problem with moving up...
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Jay (Detroit): Having three second-round picks to go along with the 15th, how high up could the Pistons trade? Would it be high enough so they could get a guy like Ricky Rubio, James Harden or DeMar DeRozan?
Langlois: I’m not sure they’d want to, Jay. Let’s say they traded up to No. 3. They’d have a cap hold of about $3.5 million for that pick as opposed to the roughly $1.5 million they’d have by staying at 15. That would give them $2 million less in free agency, which could be the difference in signing a second quality free agent. And there just isn’t a player at No. 3 that most scouts feel is good enough to make that type of commitment.
LLTP - OUT.
But there was the article that I talked about last week saying that if Washington got the #2 and weren't going to get Griffin, they'd trade the pick instead of taking Rubio. Plus their supposed interest in Rip. That cap hit would be worth it if you got a franchise PG (sorry Stuckey, you'd be a combo guard)
With Blake Griffin considered the only sure-fire top pick, many regard this year's draft class as one of the worst in recent memory.
One Eastern Conference president took the assessment one step further.
"This could be one of the worst drafts ever," said the president. "Of course, we're coming off two pretty good drafts."
Spanish point guard Ricky Rubio and Connecticut's Hasheem Thabeet are considered by many to be the best options after Griffin.
Rubio will be good with the right system/coach. If he's asked to set up the offense, push the ball, and not shoot too much until he works on his shot, he'll have time to develop.
The bolded part tells me that Joe is going for Boozer or bust this off-season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
We're worried about $2 million because it could mean the difference? How?
You spend as much as $9 mil on a big, $7 on a swingman and the extra 2 nets us Harden (for example)
How does it not work out?
Unless you know the main free agent is gonna cost a lot more than $9 million. And how many free agents are out there that could demand more than $9 million?
Boozer and WHO?
Fuck me! I don't want Boozer here - that's the stay the course shit we don't need. Rebuild Joe. Rebuild!
What big are you targetting for 9mil and what swingman for 7? Not saying its not possible, I agree with the concept. I'm just curious who you're looking at.
With that scenario, you get Harden, you get someone like David Lee for 9mil (a little bit much for him, IMO, but that's probably about right) and 7mil for maybe Williams from ATL? Or you tempt Childress back to the American game and hope ATL doesn't match. I'm not sure what swingmen are out there. For 7mil, he'd better be a starter or have a huge role off the bench though. A 7mil backup for Tay isn't going to get much court time.
the Utah owner talked about the Jazz not beeing tough enough, he said he thinks Booozer is a marquee player, but he had concerns about Boozer defense & leadership....yikes
Sounds like Boozer wants to exercise his option but the Jazz don't want him to.
so anybody thinking about the wizards and the #5 pick yet?
Yeah, they're shooting themselve in the ass by talking about Boozer's downside in public... makes other GMs say "oh, yeah I want to spend 10M for a defensive liability without leadership skilz"Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Mxy
I'll stick by the "opt in" prediction.
What big? Every free agent big not named Carlos Boozer lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Zekyl
What swingman? Should have said perimeter player. Someone young.
Now that Washington got the #5 pick:
Is it possible we give up a second round pick and collect Haywood and the #5?
Who would we take?
Griffin goes 1, Rubio @ 2, No O goes 3, Hill goes 4? Harden for us?
Would we be able to start him (assuming we traded Rip somewhere for a big)?
Would he mesh with Stuckey and Bynum and AA?
Would they give away that pick and Haywood for a 2nd? I don't think so. They could get something back in return for it that's more valuable than a 2nd for sure.
Name it, Clevelander, keeping in mind the salary-shedding goal.
Word has it that Phoenix is very interested in DuJuan Blair at #14.
Sorry Tahoe.
I don't want Blair anyway. He just looks like the next Corliss to me (a good scorer around the basket, but does he have a true position?)
He's a 4/5, not a 3/4. His true position could be PF for sure. And he rebounds much better than Nasty.
:chad:
New mock:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2...ckDraft-090519
Detroit
http://assets.espn.go.com/i/nba/draf...hots/19214.jpg
Austin Daye
Position: SF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 190
Age: 20
School: Gonzaga
Analysis: The Pistons will begin their summer makeover in the draft. They'd love to add a dominant low-post scorer, particularly a center, but they aren't likely to find anyone who fits the bill.
Blair could fit because of his nastiness in the paint, but the Pistons just gave a similar player, Jason Maxiell, a big contract, and it's no secret that they are looking long and hard at Carlos Boozer and Paul Millsap, both of whom have the opportunity to leave Utah.
Daye could be the most talented player left on the board at this point. Adding him to the squad would be a move for the future, as he has the potential to be great someday. He has a pure game but needs to get stronger and more assertive.
^Sounds like Tay
He's an inch taller and a few pounds lighter, I believe. So we'd be subbing a beanpole in for a beanpole. Tay has worked out pretty well for us, so I'd be okay with this pick, depending on what else is available. We could finally have a backup SF with some potential to be a future starter.
All of the bolded parts in Weaknesses seem like they'd be fixed by getting stronger. Not necessarily bigger and bulkier, but just pure strength work can help his explosiveness and keep him from being knocked around as much.Quote:
NBADraft.net (which doesn't have him in their 2009 Mock)
NBA Comparison: Marcus Williams (longer)
Strengths: An extremely versatile player, who at 6-10 has great height and length for the SF position … He is more than comfortable handling the ball in transition, as well as attacking off the dribble on the perimeter … Possesses a nice mix of skills with his back to the basket, including fadeways to both shoulders, mini hooks and up and unders … Has great patience when attacking, he reads the defender then either uses a well timed shot fake or a spin move to get himself in better scoring position … Out of the triple threat is where he is most effective; people have to play him tight because of his shot and this allows him to use his long strides and good jabs to get into the lane … Shooting the ball is where he is the most effective and dangerous; he has one of the nicer release in all of college basketball … He is able to knock down outside shots with his feet set and he is just as comfortable shooting pullups from midrange going to either hand … He has a slight fade on his shot, combining that with his long arms and high release, it makes his jumper virtually unblockable …
Weaknesses: He needs to add substantial weight and muscle if he is to ever reach his true potential … His explosiveness is mediocre (as a leaper he is fairly limited and his first step is only average) … Even though he has an extremely soft touch, he still struggles finishing in traffic because he cannot absorb contact … He is easily thrown off balance and forced into tough shots by stronger defenders … At times, he dips the ball pretty low on the catch, which allows the defenders to close out on him … If he is challenged and forced to rush his shot, his efficiency decreases … Needs to gain consistency on his shot, he goes through droughts and this causes a downward spiral for his entire game since most of his moves rely on shot fakes and his ability to attack out of the triple threat … He is somewhat passive, seems so take what the defense gives him and he tends to settle for outside shots rather than using his length around the basket … He needs to work on his off hand as he becomes predictable attacking to his right far too often …
SI.com has him listed at 6'11" 200lbs. Also, they have us taking B.J. Mullens - 7' 245lb C from OSU. I don't think I like that. Granted, he's a project that's supposed to have a ton of upside, but just look at his numbers.
20.3 mpg
8.8 ppg
4.7 rpg
1.1 bpg
Is that what you want from your mid-round pick? If this was 2005 and we still had an elite team and he was going to be sitting on the bench behind Sheed, Ben, McDyess and learning/developing, then go for it. Right now he'd be on the bench behind Max, Amir, and Kwame.......
Austin Daye = Bron appetizer
But he has the same size as Nasty/Max. Maybe he plays bigger, but he's certainly not a 5. He has to play PF basically %100 of the time. We simply don't have room for a PF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hermy
Now if Max and Amir both go in trades with Tay/RIP for none PF's, then I'd consider him.
Barring trades I wouldn't touch him.
You said he didn't have a position. Now he has to play PF 100% of the time. Sorry, I got lost there somewhere I guess.
I asked if he had a true position. You said he can't play SF, which I agree with. he's too short to be a center. That means he has to play PF %100.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hermy
All that says is the only position he can play is PF. That doesn't mean I have faith that he can be a starting PF in this league. It just means he's probably limited to one position if he pans out and I'm not sure he has the size to do it full time. Max is taller and he's not a starting caliber PF either.