Bush killed Americans...jeezus you've lost it. I don't think I ever put you in that whacked out left, til now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fool
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Bush killed Americans...jeezus you've lost it. I don't think I ever put you in that whacked out left, til now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fool
Why wait til they're 18? Y'all didn't on Palin's daughters. But you are correct. I wont stoop to that level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glan
Bush didn't kill americans. He sent thousands to their deaths in his war of choice, but he didn't kill them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe
Depending on how you read that, it could be either right or wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe
It's right if you are saying that the bill specifically stated that immigrants wouldn't be covered. It does. No amendments were necessary. That was part of the main bill.
It's wrong if you're implying that, in the absence of the two amendments, illegals automatically get something they shouldn't. No, the two amendments were about whether or not to do costly "strict" checks on immigration status as opposed to explicitly giving HHS discretion on how to do the checks. You have to balance the cost of doing the checks vs. the money saved. It turns out that checking U.S. citizenship is a costly nightmare because there's no ubiquitous "citizenship card" short of a passport for those people actually born here. There have been beneficial effects from not doing strict checks on illegals contributing to guv'mint programs. Social Security and Medicare get billions from illegal and non-permanent residents that can't withdraw it. When the checks are really needed is at the caregiver level, but that's costly to make them the citizenship police.
Mxy BO has been saying for months that there are 45 mil uninsured. 12mil of those are illegals. In his bullshit speech the other night, he dropped it to 30mil. How 12-15 mil all of the sudden rec'd insurance is beyond me.
So maybe he took them out, but since its such a point of contention, why not be bipartisan (his bullshit claim) and simply add the ammendment. I think the bill is currently about 10 inches thick. Why not add a couple more pages to be bipartisan?
You have to make some tough calls as Prez.Quote:
Originally Posted by geerussell
Did you get the part where it COSTS money?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe
We don't want to restrict illegals and other non-citizens from being able to contribute into the system, any more than we'd want to restrict them from arbitrarily plopping a million bucks into our bank accounts. Where we want to impose the check is at the point of delivery of service, and the problem is that such restrictions costs money and make the program more expensive. Most people don't have passports, and isn't it the Republicans making a stink about how birth certificates aren't enough?
I dont' want them to contribute and I don't want them getting health care on my dime. plain and simple.
I don't want gov't run healther care.
I want lapdances were funded in the stimulus plan. Reality intrudes to remind us that what we want has to be reconciled with the way things are. Wishing it away won't change the fact that illegals exist and the healthcare system doesn't exist in a bubble unaffected by the government.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe
edit: Health care really needs its own thread.
You've been dead to me for months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe