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Who cares about DaRkO. The Pistons are kicking ass and taking names, right now. How 'bout turning the hatred and anger to contract talks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rorschach
Sometimes players simply don't mesh with a team philosophy. The fit is bad. They move to another team, and suddenly the recipe is right for individual success (see NFL > Raiders).
well your pretty fucking thick headed if you feel that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rorschach
its possible to succeed now while also having failures. our players, especially our big men, are going to start deteriorating (sp?). i saw an interesting stat the other day saying billups leads the league avg 98 games a year (not counting preseason). not only do our starters play a ton of minutes, they play alot of games too.
sooner than later, the tread is going to get awfully thin on those tires (look how fast the bad boys fell off). darko WAS the answer to that. he's gone now. but thats ok because 2 years ago we won a ring, so we never do anything fucking wrong.
LMFAO. So it finally comes out. Your darko fan love is hitting its peak . You are comparing Darko to the Bad Boys Fall off?!! Enough said on how crazy in lust you are over DarkHead.
I'm sorry b-diddy but that was garbage. Darko is not that important. So if we dont get the conditional pick we got for him our future was screwed? LMFAO@that. Thats exactly what i'm talking bout. Its a fucking disgrace to the pistons organization to put the whole future on a guy who never acheived shit for it and was going to leave anyways. You just dont get that, HE WAS GONE EITHER WAY. He didn't want to be here anymore. remember its a nightmare here. [smilie=artist.gif] .
Man you're just bent on believing that Darko couldnt possibly have left here as soon as his contract was free for nothing in return. thats fine by me, but its also dellusional. The only failure i see is in Darko's effort here or lack there of. The funny thing is that all his work in orlando on a Lottery team proves is that he wasnt trying to earn minutes here. He's not a team player, doesnt work hard, doesnt like working hard, cant handle being called on to do alot, and is selfish as fuck. Yet you figure that he WAS our future. [smilie=annoyed.gif] Fuck that future. Im glad its gone.
Darko didnt win us any titles. It was Joe Dumars moves that did. Our future is in the players he drafts now and the young players he's sure to acquire in free agency. Once again we are not orlando. You actually judge the Pistons like a lottery team with all the Darko was the future talk.All Darko was, was a lesson. A good one at that. Talent or no talent, draft smarter in the first round for players who fit the Piston concept Joe D molded.. Its pitiful and sad that you even judge this team's future based on its most irrelevent player. Instead of judging based on what its been doing, still is doing, and will continue to do as long as Dumars is gm. Play hard with effort every night.
we're kicking ass and you're mad about darko. Thats disgusting.
To those that say Darko wouldn't have helped us the last two years:
Is there any question that we wouldn't be working on a three-peat if LB had another reliable big man to turn to instead of having to use Tay to guard Duncan in Game 7?
Everybody is arguing about who was/is responsible for Darko's failure but no one seems to realize the fact that we lost a championship as a direct result of Darko not developing/playing. This team could've gone down as one of the best teams in history had we won that championship instead of being just another good team like we are now. What could've been a dynasty is merely a good run.
PS I realize that winning the next few championships could still make us a dynasty but that's not the point.
wait, in that game, our bigs didn't foul out right? they were just in foul trouble (four or five), right? LB had a brain fart by putting Tay on him, when the better option would have been to just let one of them guard Duncan and foul out. yeah, having a developed darko with no fouls would have been ideal, but i think the blame is more on LB's strategy at that point rather than not having another big man. i mean, we're boasting 3 very good big men as is....not many teams can say that.Quote:
Originally Posted by H1Man
we all remember how terrified LB was in letting someone get five fouls. it seemed like Sheed would sit out the entire half if he picked up two quick ones in the first quarter.
But whose fault is it if he doesnt even try to make his way onto the team. Lets say duncan has a field day on him. Which is pretty much probable IMO. i mean the tayshan on duncan strategy was odd and didnt do all that well. But I feel we lost in that game because we doubled Duncan at the end and gave them room for some ice cold 3's. Saying darko was a direct link is silly IMO. Developed or not, if Elden wasnt coming in, neither was Darko. i mean you say "developed" but are we even in the finals if we spend that season "developing" a kid who may not have even improved his numbers or this team even with some time?Quote:
Originally Posted by H1Man
Blaming the title loss on Darko's lack of development which has become apparaent to be his fault(he cant even play hard to impress Flip, let alone LB) is wack and sore loser super hypothetical talk. If Delfino is healthy maybe the other perimeter wing players get more rest and arent so tired. Maybe his defense emerges against ginobli and we win easily because of it. Thats also a legitimate what if. the problem is you just dont know. And its all a lil too hypothetical to say "well if darko developed we win that title". Thats a big if even with playing time. So its beyond even wishful thinking IMO. I accept that under the circumstances we got beat. that the spurs won that game and that LB got outcoached in the second half. I dont need to hang on the development of a lazy lil brat.
I'd rather have had a healthy Delfino over a "who knows if he develops" darko. Either way neither are going to be an excuse crutch for me. We got beat in game 7. Happens, snakes on a planer whatcha gonna do? Since the theme this year is homecourt advantage and getting our perimeter guys rest, I think its safe to say that was a much bigger effect on our losing than anything.
LOL@20 pages on this bumb peice of shit.
alright, im done arguing with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rorschach
just answer this: do you think darko will develop in orlando?
Maybe. But as far as his effort goes. Never. He'll always be lazy and try to get by on natural talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by b-diddy
But He'll develop to a average(maybe even good) player on a bad team IMO. Riding Dwight Howards Coat Tail may be good for him. He doesnt have to work so hard and can just do what he does. With that said, i remind you that its not even important. The real question is : Would he have here? The answer is adamantly no, not under any realistic circumstance. That became apparent to our GM, so he moved on. Is what it is.
I think Kilo brought up an NHL GM who much like Joe D had a very small budget to work with. And he did a solid job year after year. Then he goes to a big budget team in the rangers and stinks it up with bad moves. Maybe its a good thing to have little room to work with. The downside being that the Pistons dont have time to "give" minutes to Darko. They are trying to win games now, because there will be a time when we arent as good as we are now. Its part of the NBA cycle. And you can spin it anyways you want about Darko, but to develop him woulda cost games. unfortunately it woulda cost games because he didnt want to earn minutes. he wanted them given to him. I just dont think this team was the scenario he wanted. We arent a lottery team. And maybe thats the problem with getting a lottery pick. Maybe Dumars picked someone better suited for a lottery team. And because of this maybe the midlevel or higher first round pick we got for him will turn out to fit better here. Sometimes fitting the team is more impotant than talent level or upside. Case and point Rip Hamilton is not better than most of the elite SG's(individually i think stackhouse is better, though Mikey swears otherwise) in the NBA on an individual scale. But his ability to function here makes him more effective than some of the other ones.
All in all you're being greedy and ungrateful for what we have. So what if Darko didnt pan out. We're possibly the best team in the league right now with the best record. He didn't fit here and Dumars learned that fitting the mold is important. more important than getting the most talented guy possible. I think seeing darko and maxiell brought this to his attention and i think he'll do a much better job in future drafts to come because of Darko's fuck ups and his fuck up in picking the lazy bastard..
Its odd that a usually positive guy like yourself is so negative about this. You're the guy that even looks at doug collins in a positive way(far more positive than me). Yet the team somehow you've tricked yourself into believing the future sky is falling because Darko is gone. [smilie=annoyed.gif]
I find it flat out hilarious that people bitch that he should have gotten minutes to develop when we had, not one, but 2 coaches that wouldn't play him here. Don't you think there was a reason for that??He is everything that this Pistons team is not. He's a selfish whiny bitch that expects everything handed to him. The anti-Piston. He is putting up halfway decent numbers on one of the worst teams in the sport. Big Flippin deal.
You try hard, and than you get the minutes. You don't try hard BECAUSE you were given minutes. Fuck that and Fuck Darko.