Huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by themicrowave
Damon Jones LOST his job ALREADY.
They weren't playing Damon last year either.
Wesley's the backup PG, Damon never had a job to lose.
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Huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by themicrowave
Damon Jones LOST his job ALREADY.
They weren't playing Damon last year either.
Wesley's the backup PG, Damon never had a job to lose.
We can include the Ronald Dupree and Mo Evans trade exceptions to get there.Quote:
Originally Posted by b-diddy
But if we lose Davis, and the order from on high is to not exceed the tax threshold, how does losing our backup Center help us?
We'll become ridiculously guard heavy.
@ Matt ~ Try an aging Hubert Davis without the shooting ability or back hair.
Damon Jones is the $3.8 million dollar backup PG to the $6.7 million dollar starter Eric Snow. Like when the Pistons had Arroyo backing up Billups.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
Either way, they didn't sign Wesley to back up the point. HE'S NOT A POINT GUARD. He's a NATURAL SHOOTING GUARD who can handle the ball a little. This isn't fantasy basketball man.
Then what's Shannon Brown doing?Quote:
Originally Posted by themicrowave
1. Stop bringing money into this. The fact damon makes more doesn't mean he plays more.Quote:
Originally Posted by themicrowave
2. Wesley spent half his career as a PG in Boston.
3. If you're trying to tell me Damon Jones is more of a PG than Wesley, you need to have your head examined.
PG is almost a completely irrelevant position for the Cavs. Pretty much everything comes from what James creates anyways. Wesley if healthy is a step up from Jones at the 1. He's a vastly superior defender and a more consistent shooter.
Fun stat time!!
When Murray played less than 30 minutes in a game this year he shot 16.7% from the field! Woo hoo! He's pretty good between 30-40 minutes, but other than that... not so much. It's the same story with most players. It's a rhythm game.
Davis(or Cato) and their 2nd for Banks. They want something in return(especially a C) for Banks, and we could cleary use a PG.
Seriously?Quote:
Originally Posted by FP22
That's ridiculous.
wait, how is that possible?Quote:
Originally Posted by detroitsportscity
he averaged 36 minutes a game. if, in less than 30, he averaged 16.7% how does his overall FG jump to 40%+ in 6 more minutes a game.
unless, his sample size of less than 30 min a game is very small.....
that might be a reflection of his streakiness. when he's on, hes not a bad player. if hes off, hes death to his team. mark my words: death to his team.
Yep, he was 8 of 48.Quote:
Originally Posted by detroitsportscity
Damon Jones was 7 minutes away from the NBA Finals 2 seasons ago as a starting PG. Does that sound better?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
Wesley played 3 seasons out of 13 in Boston. Keep swinging and you are bound to hit something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
Why not? You were trying to sell a 41% shooter as a paint finisher, within 10 feet of the basket.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
ONE NIGHT ONLY, CRAZY ON SALE. 50% OFF ALL CRAZY IDEAS. STUPIDITY PRICED TO MOVE. ALL INVENTORY MUST GO!
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Originally Posted by Matt
Yeah, something tells me that's not the whole story.
what numbers are you using?Quote:
Originally Posted by FP22
just glancing at his season stats, shows you're way off:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3639/gamelog
A whole 8 for 48.
Wow. Nice sample size.
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball...stats/06/5/491Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt
Apparantly it's just from the Cavs.
alright, i did the actual calculations (not sure where 8/48 came from):
in less than 30 minutes a game last season (41 out of 76 games):
129 FGM / 329 FGA: 39% FG
Look dude, you can defend him all you want. I've seen him play at every stop he's been at and he sucks. Period. He is a detriment to the team more than he is a positive. He just chucks up a bunch of shots off the dribble. He can slash, but he's not a high percentage slasher (the entire point of it). And there is no way it works in limited minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
What about like 10-15 minutes? I wish I could find some of the older ones to see what it was like a few years ago. He got too many minutes with the Cavs last year consistantly to judge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt
This is bible. Put it front page, put it back page, put it anywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by FP22
A friend of mine from Seattle just laughed at me on the phone.
Him: "Hey, you guys got Flip Murray!"
Me: "Don't even start..."
Him: "Flip ain't that bad. He's like a blind Ray Allen."
[CLICK]
As I recall, you said the same thing about Rip Hamilton...Quote:
I've seen him play at every stop he's been at and he sucks. Period. He is a detriment to the team more than he is a positive. He just chucks up a bunch of shots off the dribble. He can slash, but he's not a high percentage slasher (the entire point of it). And there is no way it works in limited minutes.
0 - 20 min: 37% FG (16 games)Quote:
Originally Posted by FP22
10-15 min: 33% FG (only 4 games :) )
all hail, Microsoft Excel....
i need to forward my resume to the Piston's statistical analyst..... :P
I'm not a fan of Flip Murray. Geez, this has been a bad offseason. Probably the worst 6 months of organizational stuff I've seen in a while from Joe D, from the darko trade, to losing ben, to replacing him with NAZR, to this. le sigh.
I remember a smaller sample sized used to prove how worthless teh Mo-Fino combo was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
And it was right then, It was right all year long.
for the record, i'm not ecstatic about signing Flip......but at this point, i don't see us making any big splash moves.
our success is dependent on Flip Saunders finding rotations and combinations that work, and go like 8 players deep. since when do we care about how we look on paper? if the bench can click and the players can compliment each other, we're not that bad off, imo.
right, this is what im saying. there will be times when he'll look like a steal at 1.7 million. other times, you'd rather not have him on the team at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by FP22
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Originally Posted by Matt
Ben Wallace backlash, IMO.
I think a lot of piston fans are secretly rooting for this team to fail so Flip Saunders, Joe Dumars and anyone else that had anything to do with Ben's departure can be kicked out the door.
Of course, some people simply love being negative just for the sake of being negative.
Only to spike your KoolAide IV Kstat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
The Pistons have a worse bench now, and don't have the starting 5 to make up for it anymore.
No one is secretly rooting for the team to fail, they are openly anticipating it.
And it's only going to get worse - Signed Money Billups.
Someone's gotta fight the negative vibe in here. May as well be me.Quote:
Originally Posted by BubblesTheLion
God forbid one of us actually likes the Pistons anymore. We lose one guy and all of a sudden its like we're the Knicks.
needing consistently large playing time to get into a rhythm??? that's not what we want to hear in Detroit. He has to earrrrnnn those minutes! or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by FP22
Not at all. I would love nothing more than to rub it in Ben's face this coming year. I don't like Flip at all, but that's not just because of the Ben thing. Joe has always been a favorite of mine. But ever since after he signed Dice he has only made moves to make this team worse. In the "prime" of the roster at that. You would think that with Ben gone, he would safely compile a roster that can work for now and the future. It seems more like he's rushing players into the fold that don't fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
No , we are not the Knicks. We're worse. It's one thing to screw a bad team up. It's something else entirely to destroy a championship calibur one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
Maybe I was naive, but I had this expecatation that without Bens contract, Joe might try and improve the bench to offset the loss.
It looks like we are setting up for a salary dump and rebuild after Billups bails on us.
i don't think you can assess our bench until you actually see them play.Quote:
Originally Posted by BubblesTheLion
last season, Flip would keep the starters in, while the team was up 15 with just a few minutes to go. last season, it was win at all cost and get HCA. this season, everyone from Flip to Joe D is saying, we need to develop the bench.
a couple pages back it was noted that the 16% was taken from just a few games. the actual figure is 39% FG when he played under 30 min a game last season (41 games).Quote:
Originally Posted by metr0man
right, your a great fan, we suck. this has nothing to do with your stupid "bill davidson doesnt owe you shit" stance, where you said its fine that the pistons are going to be economical before successful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
this team lost a 5 time allstar center and replaced him with 2 guys that their teams didnt even want anymore.
i doubt anyone's rooting for this team to fail... i always have a blast in the playoffs, getting kegs at my place and having tons of people over. why wouldnt i want that? but i am pissed at this team (uber pissed) because its fucking up all over the place (flip isnt fucking up, but he leaves alot to be desired). the management group has lost any faith from me. im not going to get excited by flip murray. joe's going to have to be alot more clever than that to get me happy with this team again.
I rest my case.Quote:
Originally Posted by BubblesTheLion
Wow, that's all it takes. [smilie=burgerking.:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
And I rest my nuts on your chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
The Knicks are flinging crap into a larger pile of crap
The Pistons are flinging crap at a priceless painting .
One actually has ramifications. No matter what the Knicks do, they are still just dealing with a big pile of crap anyway, so why does it matter.
The Pistons are ruining something worthwhile
i hate to pull this card, but:Quote:
Originally Posted by b-diddy
Chauncey, Rip, Sheed, and Ben = all guys that teams didn't want anymore. 4 teams gave up on Chauncey. Rip was replacing a 2 time all-star and Ben was replacing a 6 time all-star. Tayshaun was passed up by 22 NBA teams. nobody wanted anything to do with McDyess.
the NBA is full of guys that, at one point in their careers, weren't wanted by someone. i'm NOT saying that joe D's working his magic right now with Flip Murray or that he's even got any magic left........but i'm not playing cynical Piston fan without even seeing this team play a game with their new philosophies.
maybe it's because the Tigers won tonight, but i'm feeling optimistic :)