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what does dalembert make? he is overpaid but he actually makes sense as a replacement if ben wants to leave. i'd love a ben for dal and carney deal. (assuming iggy is untouchable)
but i don't get why ben would want to go to philly, unless they offer the max in a sign and trade. because any sign and trade sending him there leaves philly with even less talent. and to begin with they're not near as attractive as a situation as detroit or chicago, as far as their chances to win anything.
Dally makes just under 9 millon this season it goes up to 12 in 2010/11
He is overpaid, cant play defence and has little to no offence... why would you love this deal?Quote:
Originally Posted by Higherwarrior
At least if we keep Ben he is only overpaid with little to no offence...
Daly is ok at blocking shots and might be able to develop with a mentor like DD or something. I think he can turn into a Ben but without the heart.
lol at kstat. 'ben wallaces isnt worth 15 million. he just isnt".
if the pistons let ben walk away, theyre not getting out of the 2nd round, probably not the 1st. if you let ben walk away from the pistons due to 3 million a year (or even 3 million plus the 5 million in lux tax) your missing out on 2-3 rounds of playoff revenues. not to mention that going deep into the playoffs increases a team's marketability and value.
and i'll say it again. the pistons increase in worth $40+ million per year on top of the tens of millions bill makes in proffits from the team. hell, if he just puts his money in the bank at 2% interest (horrible), he'd get $70 million.
hes a greedy, greedy old fuck. if ben leaves, pistons might as well bring back the piston teal jerseys, and prepare for the notion of overpaying marginal talent to come here cuz no one else will. its a shame joe spent so many years rebuilding the organization's reputation and bill davidson is willing to scrap it all for a few bucks.
is mike james restricted or unrestricted FA?
Sting a little? IF Ben leaves we're still at the cap and still only have the MLE. We wouldn't be able to replace him, period. That's more than a sting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
UFAQuote:
Originally Posted by Gutz Gatsu
hmmm can we talk him into coming back at less than the lump of money he'll be offered? might be the most perfect backup PG fit for us in the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Varsity
My whole thing with Ben is, I don't want to lose him for nothing but unless he modifies a few attitude related thing, I can see justification in trading him. To me if Ben comes back and becomes the highest paid player in team History, he needs to be quiet about his role, his offense and the coach.
word on WDFN is, philly is asking about a sign-and-trade for ben wallace....
of course, Iverson makes too much to be included ina deal for ben, and the sixers have nothing else we'd want outside of Igoudala, which leaves them $10 million short of matching salaries.
And no, Dalembert would be horrible.
If means taking Dalembert to get Iggy (to make salaries work) that is a shit load better than getting nothing for Benji.
He's a backup-calibur center making $50 million over the next 5 years. I'd rather have nothing.
Iggy would be great to have as a backup, yeah, but not at that price.
dalembert, rodney carney and iggy works for me!
but of course, why would philly give up all that talent? (iggy and carney mostly)
i personally don't understand their interest in him to begin with. it's not like they're that close to being a contender and in order to acquire him, they have to give up talent which they can not afford to lose. so they'd get ben but then have even less talent than they started with.....?
hey, i'd seriously look at it if they're that interested. dalembert, carney (who i LOVE) and maybe instead of iggy they throw in a couple of unprotected #1 picks?
then again, i guess picks wouldn't be included in a sign and trade...i don't know.
just thinking out loud, so don't jump on me if this sounds crazy. it probably will sound crazy to me too when i read this later.
Atlanta traded a couple picks with Diaw in the sign and trade for Joe Johnson.
But its very rare that this happens.
I would do Dalembert and Carney (They won't give us Iggy) for Ben if letting him walk to Chicago was the other option.
If it came down to chandler or dalembert, even I'd take chandler. He makes $2 million less than Sam and he's arguably a better player.
It's a toss up for me. Chandler is the better rebounder, but Sam has him offensively and in shot blocking. Plus Sam can hit a solid 70% of his Free Throws (Chandler's in the 50s).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
Do you know where to find Chandler's exact contract info? It's not on hoopshype.
Looks like I had chandler a little mixed up.Quote:
Originally Posted by FP22
SO I guess the probably make about the same. I'd still rather have chandler, who I think has more room for growth.Quote:
Chandler's six-year guaranteed deal is believed to be worth about $64 million, terms similar to the contract that the Philadelphia 76ers recently agreed to with Samuel Dalembert, 24, whose statistics compare to those of Chandler, 22.
Yea, I'd lean towards Chandler as well. It might help that he was teammates with Tayshaun in High School. Maybe it would help him find a comfort zone. I know back in his 2nd year he was actually pretty competant offensively, so it must be a confidence thing. He had his worst offensive year of his career this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
But the kicker is that we may be able to get something else out of the Sixers (one of their athletic swingmen). That could change my opinion.
Detroit would be renamed "East Compton"....
Dalembert is WAY better. He actually can play defense, and occassionally scores, plus he doesn't foul out every 5 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
Chandler is a great rebounder, but everything else he is horrible at.
Dalembert can block, rebound, run the floor, and defend on occassion.
I'd take Dalembert, Carney, and (hopefully) change, if it looked like Ben was on the way out. Hell, it would also keep Philly above Orlando, IMO.
That would probably solve our 2/3 thing though, and if Bonzi wants to sign with us, I would look at other stuff(Green + picks?, picks + picks, stiff(Salmons?) + picks).
If we could get Claxton and a big in FA(Elson, Butler, some random stiff with the BAE), and get Dalembert and Carney, we could actually have a pretty good bench.
Chandler is the worse player, and has motivation concerns(sorry, but I don't want that with Sheed already here).Quote:
Originally Posted by FP22
Give me the player that is still learning, and tries, over the one still sleeping, and doesn't care.
Dalembert is hardly a pitcure of motivation. The guy shows up every 5th day, and has hands of stone then even ben would laugh at.
Tyson Chandler ............... $9,000,000 05-06 add in the max raise of 10.5% and the contract for 06-07 is 9.94 million meaning after 06-07 Chandler is owed 44 million over 4 years.
http://www.dfw.net/%7Epatricia/misc/salaries06.txt
both have low basketball IQs and can't stay on the court for 30 min a game cause of foultrouble...thats what really worries me besides their contracts
The name I am pimping is Reggie Evans, regardless of Ben, Chandler, or Dalembert. I think we need an energy guy off the bench in terms of rebounding and defense. I say get him and trade DD and our 07 pick for a solid swing man if possible. I know we have needs at PG and SF but I don't think there is a guy who fits the bill either worth the MLE or willing to take the MLE.
What a weak-ass offer.
THey expect Ben to bolt for a measly $4 million?
lol, you can expect to see alot of this in the paper, too, im guessing.Quote:
Originally Posted by JS
which is complete bs. explain ben's attitude problems.
his bitching about not getting involved in the offense? he's damn right he should have been involved. i dont care if he shoots 0.0% from the ft line, let him be a part of the offense. LB knew. flip doesnt. the pistons dont have the talent to play 4 on 5. and whats really maddening is that, given a chance, ben could help offensively.
his bitching that we dont play enough D? well, looks like he was right there, too.
disresepecting flip? comes with the territory. if flip cant control his players (looks like he cant), thats on him, not ben.
the guy with the attitude problem is sheed. give ben his money and get sheed the hell out of here, if thats how bill needs to pinch his pennies.
...and ben can start right with himself, since he was a total non-factor on that end in the playoffs.....Quote:
his bitching that we dont play enough D? well, looks like he was right there, too.
If that's true, I expect Dumars will match that based on his past history. He paid Sheed fair market value even though he was essentially bidding against himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilo
thats fine and dandy. he never says "they" arent playing the right defense, he always said "we". I think wanted to do better defensively, but the fustration comes from us having no emphasis on defense and putting all the pressure on him to make up for it. Then at the end of the day when things go wrong, the offense was made the culprit, when playing good defense can nullify that on some nights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
so i always felt it was more about "if you want to see results emphasize defense and stop putting it all on me to make up for the lack of effort put into staying a defensive team"...Either way he is definately the main cog in our defense. I just hope we dont make him be the whole clock if he comes back and bitch about him not showing up. Ben can be a one man army on some nights. Not every night. and he never has been every night ever. its the team defense that made us what we are, and he was the important piece. but he wasnt the only thing required to get consistent defense.
Ben is apparantly "insulted" by the offer...
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...607030342/1127
Give me a break... Let's get a S&T done, Joe.
You never open a negioationl with your best offer, Ben is on an ego trip, I am sick of it. Ben is a limited player who doesn't want to admit it.
He's INSULTED by being the highest-paid player on the team?
Sorry Ben, get your money elsewhere to satisfy your gigantic ego. You're not worth $15 million a year. If someone else thinks you are, god bless.
I hope Ben is out negotiating the best sign-and-trade deal he can find right now.
Last part of the article got me thinking, do we have Bird Rights on LH? I mean if lH would leave to PHX couldn't we deal for James Jones.
I don't think it would really be worth it. We'd have no room for JJ.
I was just thinking if LH leaves JJ would be a suitable back up SF, plus if Ben leaves it only leaves us two exceptions to fill three needs. If we got a SF in a trade it helps a little.
BTW, Joe is not someone who changes his offer. He gives the offer he thinks is fair, end of discussion. That's how it went with Sheed and Rip. There was very little haggling over price.
Joe isn't going to play this game with Ben, and watch it drag out over a month while other good free agents get snapped up while he's waiting for ben to make up his mind. He's probably implementing his "plan B" right now.
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Originally Posted by Kstat
I agree and for one think Plan B is needed and might not be bad.