I had fino going to Detroit in my mock that year, hoping he would fall thanks to injury.
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I had fino going to Detroit in my mock that year, hoping he would fall thanks to injury.
Seriously? With Gray and Walton, maybe this coach hiring will last only a few days before the inevitable happens....Quote:
Originally Posted by Gl'enn
cue the picture of the VW bus and the fat girls
I'm gonna do this one at a time.
Mxy: Please post the rest on the stuff from that Chicago Pre-Draft camp. I'm sure there is more interesting stuff ...
The stuff you did post doesn't really make a difference. Lee and Maxiell both played well. Both showed their skills.
The only negative comment about Lee was:
and the article says it's probably due to a lack of touches/style of play.Quote:
While Lee probably didn’t dominate the way a player of his billing might be expected to at this camp, this probably had more to do with his lack of touches and the style of play than anything that would reflect poorly on Lee.
So why bother posting that stuff at all?
Zekyl -So we can't fault our scouts for following popular opinion and missing studs like Joe Johnson and Richard Jefferson so they could draft Rodney White?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zekyl
What?
It's their job to see through the hype, to see what a player has inside them and to develop the skills they have.
White had all the tools but lacked the mindset needed to succeed in the NBA. How did our organisation not see it? Why didn't they see that Joe Johnson or Richard Jefferson did have the mental toughness and determination to excel in the NBA?
Those questions need to be asked because they miss studs to draft mental midgets far too often.
Darko is in the same boat as White - all the tools but lacked the mental toughness or maturity to succeed. Yes, he was 18 but it's not like they didn't know that at the time.Quote:
In the Darko year, he was the big name. People were all about Darko, not just the Pistons staff. Bosh was rated no where near a top-3 talent in that draft by anyone. It was James #1, the 2nd tier was Anthony and Milicic with Wade just barely below them and Bosh was rated below those 4 by everyone. You can't blame us for taking the guy rated as a top-3 talent by the entire league over someone else unless you're basing it on their production since then.
And Bosh was rated below Wade? Who got drafted #4? It wasn't Wade so obvious someone (Toronto) thought Bosh was gonna be pretty good.
And someone in Detroit thought Bosh was gonna be pretty good too, otherwise they wouldn't have brought him back so close to the Draft for another workout.
You'd rather have Bass right now instead of Max though. And you'd rather have David Lee than Max too.Quote:
I was excited when we picked Max. I didn't know much about him when we made the pick, but I read up on him after and he was a perfect fit for the Pistons team we had at the time. He could still develop into what we saw flashes of two years ago, and I'm not ready to dump him off just yet. If we don't sign Brandon Bass, I'd rather keep Max. Give him a chance with a consistent 20 mpg and a real coach, then judge him. He's willing to post up and he's developed a nice midrange J. He hustles his butt off and he's a hard worker. Was he as good as a couple of players taken after him? No. Was he better than players taken before him? Yes. He was a solid pick where we got him.
Both Lee and Bass were drafted after Maxiell! We could have had 1 of them!
The fact is that Joe has drafted mental midgets, career bench players and a mixture of crap. The ONLY excuse people give for it is that a certain player was hyped at the time.
No offense - but fuck off with that shit.
Just because a choice is popular doesn't make it the right one. Do your own research. Decide what is right for you. And then do it.
I'm lucky - ain't no one posting about my dumbass choices when I was younger (except for me).
But I ain't GM of a multi-million dollar basketball team. When Joe makes a draft pick or a free agent signing then he's on the hook for it. When you fuck up on Draft Day as often as he has then something needs to be said. And I can't believe that on this site I have to defend my opinion.
We've got the best and brightest and y'all can't see that Joe is crap when it comes to the Draft! Why? I love the guy as much as the next fan but I'm not gonna pretend he's good at something when all the evidence points to him being freakin' pathetic.
Is it so hard for some of y'all to admit he's crap at 1 aspect of his job?
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Originally Posted by Zekyl
Ignorant?
Slow your roll, Z.
Drafting a dude with injury issues in the first round is completely different than taking a guy with injury issues in the 2nd round.
Do the words guaranteed money mean anything to you?
And if the injuries were the only problem with Delfino then maybe I'd let it slide. But the guy is not and was not the player Josh Howard is/was.
I can't believe that after Tayshaun showed what he could do that we went and passed on a dude from the same freakin' mold.
But it's cool - give Joe another free pass.
MoTown/Fool - I refer you to post #81 from Hermy.
Sweet - all done.
Now who's up for round 2?
Ain't no one gonna defend Mateen? Didn't we draft the worst Michigan dude available (Mo Pete was there) because we needed a PG in the event Grant Hill bolted?
And for the record: that is the dumbest excuse someone has ever given for a failed draft pick.
I've always considered Mateen a "marketing"pick.
Those were dark days, he was extremely popular in the area, and they needed to fill the building.
I'm sure they had him rated in the first round somewhere, but they got greedy and decided to move him up, IMO.
My memory is fading in old age but here's the obvious questions:
Was Mo Pete that unpopular?
The guy has gone on to have a rather boring career - but he actually had a career. Cleaves had no chance cause he had no jumpshot.
Wouldn't drafting a good player actually be a good marketing tool? I know we were first round losers every year and expected to lose Hill but if we drafted someone good would fans have been more pissed?
I'd already put the link to the rest of the Pre-Draft reviews from Draftexpress in the post you responded to. But here it is again:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pharaoh
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/...,-Day-Two-202/
And as for "doesn't really make a difference", that's exactly my point! Both were outstanding in camp, and there was no clear difference in their camp performance. Your saying "David Lee rocked the Chi-Town Camp and we passed on him." is just plain silly. It's sorta like faulting some boss for not hiring the kid who got straight As, when the other kid they hired also got straight As.
FWIW, the issue in evaluating Lee and Maxiell turns out to be the same -- their position in college isn't their position in the NBA. Both were in lesser undersized programs and played C at their colleges, when they were PF/SF tweeners at the NBA level.
Yeah, caught that I said that about Wade too late, couldn't edit the post. My fault.
From that DraftExpress link:
And I'm not saying Joe is "following the hype" or whatever when he makes these picks. I'm saying that obviously the guys are looking pretty good to all the scouts and making a solid impression if everyone is seeing the same thing. Joe isn't listening to what other team's are thinking of a player. He's listening to our scouts. Our scouts are seeing the same things that everyone else is, because our scouts are watching the same workouts and drills and getting the same interviews. Not saying we're follow the trends, just that we get the same reads as everyone else.Quote:
Will Bynum: 12 points, 4/5 shooting, 4 assists, 4 rebounds, 2 turnovers – Bynum was a last minute addition to the camp, but clearly proved that he belonged in Chicago. Bynum helped himself about as much as he could today, considering he’s a 5-10 combo guard. He provided most of the highlights in the first game, displaying stunning athleticism, bullish strength, creative ballhandling, and a motor that doesn’t stop. Bynum was excellent in transition, either finishing at the rim or finding the open man. He brought down the house with an impressive dunk right at the final horn, and we are seeing more and more of Nate Robinson in his game.
I don't think they do the same psych makeup in the NBA that they do in the NFL. They're all about that stuff at the NFL combine, but I've never heard anything about it for the NBA.
I'm not giving him a free pass at all. He's screwed up some picks and missed on some obvious talents. No way in hell we shouldn't have taken Chalmers over Sharpe. No way we should have taken Cleeves period. I didn't even realize that was the Mo Pete draft, I remember wanting us to grab Peterson pretty badly.
Mxy - my bad for missing the link. I had so many to read I didn't even notice it.
I see your point on the "2 quality guys" thing but here's my take:
One is undersized for the PF position. One isn't. Both seem to be really talented, driven, quality character guys.
Who do you draft?
I'll take the one not undersized.
Obviously there was something they saw in Max that convinced them (his Piston DNA).
And I didn't agree with their choice then and history has proven that Max was not the right choice.
Z - I understand that our scouts are seeing exactly what other scouts see.
What I wanna know is what are we doing as an organisation to seperate ourselves from the pack and give us an advantage when it comes to the Draft?
Are we just following the same old, same old? Or are they doing something new with stats and/or psyche tests.
I can't think of anything else they could do right now but it's after midnight and my brain is fried from working all week.
The black guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pharaoh
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Originally Posted by Hermy
So, :we:'re playing the Kings today at 6 pm EST
http://www.nba.com/summerleague2009/schedules/index.jsp
Broadcast? Gamethread? Langlois?
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Originally Posted by Hermy
From NBA.com
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LAS VEGAS -- The Pistons are a proud franchise. They’ve tasted the ultimate success and expect to be among the league’s best every year.
Being down isn’t a position Joe Dumars enjoys.
As one might expect, Detroit’s president is in rebuild hyperdrive. He’s hired another new coach (John Kuester), signed two coveted free agents (Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva) and is overseeing an infusion of youth into the roster.
The NBA Summer League team features four rookies expected to be on the roster once the season rolls around. First-round pick Austin Daye (No. 15) is joined by second rounders DaJuan Summers, Jonas Jerebko and Deron Washington, who was drafted last year and spent the season in Greece.
“We’re trying to get young, versatile athletes and that’s what you’re seeing with these four guys,” Dumars said Saturday. “We feel like we can put them out there and they can all play two or three different positions, and that’s the direction we’re going in.”
All four starred in an 91-87 victory over Toronto at the COX Center. They each scored in double figures, combining for 63 points and 27 rebounds as Detroit improved to 2-0. None logged less than 27 minutes.
But unlike the other three, Daye didn’t get a breather. The wiry 6-11 forward played the entire game, all 40 minutes, scoring 19 and adding a team-high eight boards.
By the time he emerged from the curtain-draped makeshift locker room next to the stands after the game, Daye caught his breath. He knows those type of minutes likely won’t come during the regular season, so he’s taking advantage of it now.
“I don’t want to give myself crazy expectations and just kill myself trying to get there,” the 21-year-old from Gonzaga said. “My main goal going in is just to get better no matter what. I don’t care about playing 20 or 30 minutes a game. If I can get in some games and get better in practice, I’m going to be happy.”
Washington wowed the lively crowd with several high-flying feats. The 6-7 swingman nearly tore the rim down a couple of times on his way to 13 points and added six rebounds in 31 minutes. Washington also took part in a spirited duel with Raptors guard Quincy Douby throughout the contest.
Jerebko had 12 points and seven boards, splitting time between center and power forward. Summer League coach Darrell Walker has been impressed with the ability of the 6-10 rookie from Sweden to play both frontcourt spots.
“He’s just a solid basketball player,” Walker said. “He has a skill level that a lot of guys take two or three years to have.”
Summers followed up Friday’s 24-point effort with 19 and six rebounds. In addition to the work the 6-8 forward did in the paint, Summers has shown an ability to step out to the 3-point line. He’s hit 2-of-5 from downtown through two games.
“They all have good hands,” Walker said. “They all can run. The two fours [Summers and Jerebko] can flat out shoot the basketball.”
Just because the Pistons are in transition coming off a 39-43 season doesn’t mean these four rookies will be thrown into the fire. If the current roster remains intact, which is not a given, the four rookies will be competing for minutes behind a number of veterans.
“We still have guys in front of them like [Tayshaun] Prince and Rip Hamilton and Villanueva, so it’s not like we have to throw them out there with a bunch of young guys,” Dumars said. “We feel good about how we can bring them along. We have some good players in front of them.”
I smell the lottery.
You need a new nose.
As currently constructed, this team is worse than last year's team, IMO. Obviously, you think they're already a playoff team, but if it wasn't you saying this, I would ask how one could possibly be so optimistic.
I don't think Joe is done, by any means, but Chris Wilcox is not going to cut it.
Please tell me this isn't a rumor, but just an example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glan
It's an example.
He's my poster boy for "affordable, non-difference making big man".
He can come in and fill 15-18 mins a game and be a difference on the offensive end. Can't defend well, but he can score and he's cheap.
Aren't you petitioning for defense right now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
Did anyone else know that there's a Summer League team called NBA D-League Select?
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Originally Posted by Zekyl
In the starting lineup, yes.
It's basically a team of D-League "All Stars" that have no affiliation with an NBA team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zekyl
10 pm game tonight. Hopefully another link on justin tv that I can watch...
Frankly, if it was the difference between a first-round exit and picking higher by either a few (or in the case of a top 3 pick) or more spots I would take it. Yes, I would love a championship every year, but this team isn't going to get it. They are not contenders, but they have championship pieces. So if a season of missing the playoffs while these pieces learn to work together is the difference between drafting DeMarcus Cousins or drafting Dexter Pittman, I'll take Cousins. Actually, I would love to draft a combination of Cousins and Jerome Jordan. It gives some size and athleticism with good defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glan
This upcoming draft is suppose to be pretty strrong too, but tanking?
that ruins the reputation/image of the Pistons imo. This team shouldn't be tanking on purpose imo. Yeah were going to lose a few more games...but no need to just not give a shit. Not saying thats what you mean Jethro
Right, I'm not suggesting tanking by any means. I obviously want to see a team working hard and having fun. But if they lost a number of hard fought games 110-103, I won't have as much difficulty swallowing that pill when they finish 33-49 and get the 9th pick, instead of finishing with 39 wins and the 14th pick.
Remember, Toronto had 33 wins this past season. If they weren't located in Toronto they might be in a decent situation moving forward. If they can find a way to convince Bosh to re-sign and play along with Turk and DeRozan, Bargnani and Calderon - they'll be alright.
We don't have to worry about tanking. We are lottery bound regardless right now. With Kwame starting at C, no real PG and no defense, I don't see us winning more than 30 games right now. I might feel differently after another deal or two but the odds are stacked against us.
dooooooooooooooooomed!
End of game 4 from David Thorpe twitter:
coachthorpe: DeJuan Summers has 25. Scouts are buzzing about what a nice pickup he is for Detroit.
Kstat must have been busy today
and another write up:
http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.s...e_detroit.html
austin daye interview:
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nb...daye_intv.nba/
I find your arrogance annoying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
People are damn worried that their beloved Pistons are gonna get out muscled in the paint all season long and all you can post is "Off-season isn't over", "doomed" and that kind of crap.
Who exactly is available to us - via free agency or trade - that can solve the problems up front?
Bringing in Boozer, Ben, Wilcox, Rasho, Gooden or Big Baby doesn't solve our problems at C/PF.
Even if one believes it's "OK" for Joe to sign a "place holder" for a season or 2 one must acknowledge that during that time this team is gonna get slaughtered inside.
Some might be happy to take their lumps now in the hope of a big reward down the road. Some are not.
At least give a thought to the die-hards out there that are struggling to accept the fact we're no longer title contenders. After all these years of ruling the East (or close to it) it's hitting home that the immediate future ain't that bright and you don't need to wear shades