I'm sure there are other teams we could sell Sheed to for better assets than SA has.
I think anyone in the west that thinks they have a chance would do something to try and catch the Lakers.
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I'm sure there are other teams we could sell Sheed to for better assets than SA has.
I think anyone in the west that thinks they have a chance would do something to try and catch the Lakers.
I've always liked you, Chris.Quote:
Originally Posted by WTFchris
The teams out West that might need a big man to compete with LA:
Dallas
Houston (are they happy with Hayes/Artest/Scola guarding Gasol?)
Spurs (no assets)
Everyone else is out of the race or has two decent bigs.
In the East you have Miami or Orlando, not sure if we'd trade him to a East team.
I mentioned earlier that the Lakers might be an option too (due to Bynum's injury). If they only had something besides Odom's contract to include. Odom + a late pick might not be enough.
I'd take Vujacic and Ariza off their hands if we also had a deal that moved AI for a big man (like an AI/Amir for Bosh/filler deal).
Vujacic, Ariza and Max would be our main bench players. Stuckey/RIP/Tay/Dyess/Bosh would be the starters.
I think that the Pistons might be one of the best fits for Amare, especially if you look at what the Suns are reportedly looking for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pharaoh
Sheed (or AI) meet the expiring deal portion, Amir/Max/AA could meet the youngster portion and Joe already has way too many draft picks for the upcoming draft, so he'll move some no matter what.
So Sheed wants to go to the Spurs, eh?
:stein:
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San Antonio's desire to acquire one more big man (preferably a floor-stretching big man) to counter the Lakers and Boston is no secret.
The surprise stems from the rumbles I've heard about Detroit free-agent-to-be Rasheed Wallace, he who is chief among the Pistons unsettled by the realization that big changes are undoubtedly coming in that locker room, having legit interest in joining the Spurs to team up with his 2005 NBA Finals nemesis Tim Duncan.
Don't see a real trade possibility here -- given that the Pistons are unlikely to take back anything other than expiring contracts for the expiring deals possessed by Wallace and Allen Iverson unless they have a chance to trade for someone like Stoudemire or Chris Bosh -- but it's something to file away for free agency.
Another note for the future on Iverson: Detroit is far more unlikely than likely to find a workable trade home for Iverson after the Pistons' struggles since acquiring A.I. from Denver in the first week of the season, but I've heard multiple executives say there might be a better-than-expected market for the 33-year-old in free agency this summer as long as his demands are not exorbitant.
"There's never been a time where we're all touched by the economy at the same time," said one exec, suggesting that Iverson will appeal to a few teams just because of his ability to sell tickets.
So if Sheed is really talking about which teams he'd like to go to (speculation at this point) then how likely is it that Joe will keep him around through the rest of the season?
If he can move him for either a star or more expiring deals + an asset (future pick or a roster quality player) then why would he hold onto him while he's griping?
That's putting Curry in an even worse position than he is already in.
Duncan for Sheed?
Seriously, what does SA have?
SA has nothing to trade, especially at that salary level.
Does Sheed understand that?
BUT I WANT MATT BONNER
so "we" just might let Sheed and AI walk in the offseason to get our precious capspace we might not even use in the offseason at all, just waiting for 2010?! i still hope Joe D can get something done...these guys are too talented, and all the talk about expiring contracts, well you don't have 35 mil in expiring contracts every year...fuck cap space, i want a trade now!
Well, if we pick up Amare then he can get a feel for our organization, then maybe we use that cap space to keep him and pick up Bosh. Its wishful thinking world and this will never actually happen, but just think of how amazing that would be.
there is a Lamarcus Aldrige+ LaFreantz for Amare rumor out there, if that's the price we don't got any chance getting Amare
Stein says the Blazers aren't trading Aldridge, FWIW.
Aldridge is a lot cheaper, plus he stretches the floor more giving Roy space. I can't see it either.
Portland should just let their big contracts expire and see if they can add a B level FA. There won't be a lot of teams with money
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Kahlil (Detroit): I was watching ESPN’s NBA show and they were talking about rumors of the Phoenix Suns having everyone on the trading block. Since they are looking for someone with an expiring contract, is there any possibility of packaging Rasheed plus anyone else to get Amare Stoudemire?
:langlois:
I think their salaries are close enough that a deal could be done with just those two players. Now, given the differences in their age, it would be logical to think Phoenix would be looking for something more. But who knows? Maybe not a lot more. Maybe a draft pick. These are volatile times in the NBA because of the uncertain economy. If the Suns think they’re going to lose Stoudemire anyway when he hits free agency in 2010, the appeal of an expiring contract and a player of Wallace’s stature – who could team with Shaq to make for a very intriguing frontcourt combo – for one great stab at a title with an aging, veteran cast, might be very appealing to management. There would be many considerations for Joe Dumars, too, including if he sees Stoudemire as a long-term solution here or if he has some reason to believe he could lock up Stoudemire past his current contract.
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Chris (Toledo, Ohio): I heard Rasheed is on the trading block. Do you think those rumors are true?
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Do I think Joe Dumars is actively working the phones looking to move Rasheed Wallace? No. Do I think he’s willing to trade to better position his team to compete for titles – this year and beyond? Yup. Any trade of Wallace would have to bring one of two things back to the Pistons: Either a talented young player that Joe D would want to have around for several more seasons, or another expiring contract to match Wallace’s and not impede the Pistons’ ability to remake the team at the end of the season. If it’s the second of those options, then it would have to come attached with another incentive for the Pistons – either a player who is a better fit for the this year’s team, and it’s hard to imagine any player coming back on the last year of his contract who would fill as many needs for the Pistons as Wallace; or assets in some other form, like draft choices. I do think it’s going to be busier than usual at the trade deadline this season, but have no idea yet if the Pistons will be major players. And, truly, I doubt Joe D has an inkling one way or another of that just yet. Trade talk heats up about a week before the deadline, which is Feb. 19.
I wonder if Sheed will take San Antonio's MLE this summer?
For whatever reason, he seems to enjoy playing for hardass coaches.
I'm sure there is a psychological explanation.
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Originally Posted by Glenn
He likes to win?
Maybe, on the surface, at least.
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Originally Posted by Hermy
Saying something without saying anything.Quote:
Amare Stoudemire a Piston? Rasheed Wallace to San Antonio? Both unlikely
by A. Sherrod Blakely | Analysis
Friday February 06, 2009, 5:55 PM
MILWAUKEE -- For those dreaming of seeing Amare Stoudemire at The Palace, you'll get your wish on Sunday when the Phoenix Suns come to town.
Looking to see him in a Pistons uniform?
Keep dreaming.
One of the worst kept secrets in the league has been Phoenix's desire to explore trade options for Stoudemire.
But Detroit is not one of the teams that Phoenix wants to talk to because, frankly, the Pistons don't really have anything the Suns want.
Sure, Rasheed Wallace's expiring contract is attractive. But with Wallace's game clearly on the decline, pairing him up with Shaq -- whose game, like Wallace's, is on the downside as well -- is a disaster waiting to happen.
Any deal involving Stoudemire would probably have to include some type of young big man in return.
Take a look at Detroit's roster. Amir Johnson? Jason Maxiell?
Even if you could make the money work (which it doesn't, by the way), there's no way Steve Kerr would give up a player of Stoudemire's value for Johnson, Maxiell or both packaged together.
As for Wallace, the Pistons will continue to listen to offers for him. But his play this season has made some teams hesitant to put anything on the table, even if his contract comes off the books.
San Antonio was mentioned as a possible team that would have interest, but Detroit would want a big man of some sort in return and the only big man that the Pistons would be interested in giving up Wallace for on San Antonio's roster, is Tim Duncan.
Tim Duncan for Wallace? Keep dreaming.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3890478
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Sources told ESPN.com that the Chicago Bulls, Miami Heat, Detroit Pistons and Portland Trail Blazers are among the many teams with whom Phoenix has exchanged trade concepts, with the Bulls and Heat believed to be pursuing Stoudemire hardest at this early stage.
Sheed/Chandler?
http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/1377
Chandler plays with a lot of fire and is certainly a player I wouldn't mind having on the team -- what's his contract like, though?
(two more years after this one at $12.9 and $13.8),Quote:
Originally Posted by DrRay11
Oof, that's quite a bit.
This crap says something about Tay/Sheed for Amare. That seems like a bit much to be giving up, IMO, simply because we don't have another SF to plug the gap that was just created. Also, it's not like there's a glut of good SFs out there in FA, either. It's interesting, but I'd rather make that kind of offer for Bosh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
with all of phoenix's money problems, I'm %100 certain Amare stoudamire can be had...for this deal:
Phoenix gets:
Allen Iverson
Rasheed Wallace
Detroit gets:
Amare Stoudemire
Jason Richardson
Leandrinho Barbosa
$34 million in expiring contracts....phoenix ownership would accept that deal in a heartbeat, and kerr saves face by dumping all that salary and getting a ton of cap flexibility.
But then we have a 12 million dollar backup wing and a 6 million dollar backup guard. Would we even be able to resign Amare and pay the tax?
that deal would actually put the pistons under the luxury tax for this season.
and yes, financially its a suicide pill as far as 2010 is concerned, as well as an even bigger glut at guard. It might be a question of how badly does dumars want amare stoudemire?
Why would Phoenix do that deal?
They will ask for more than just 2 expiring contracts, probably a 1st round pick or a toss-in like Afflalo.
That trade doesn't put them in a position to win a title, either.
If Shaq's really on the block, as I've heard people claim on MLive (hey, at least it's not HoopsHype...), I vote AI for Shaq. Rip gets to start again, Rasheed doesn't have to guard the other team's post bruiser, and we still get a shot at Bosh down the road. Thoughts?
Because Kerr is under direct orders to shed salary. Phoenix has the cheapest owner in the league and they are hemorrhaging money on top of that. $35 million in expiring contracts would be his wet dream.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilfredo Ledezma
Joe wouldn't do that deal, but phoenix most certainly would. I'm positive Kerr has put it on the table in his talks with dumars.
People need to realize that wherever amare goes it's going to be a deal based on money, and not talent.
Considering Phoenix has traded their first rounders for NOTHING in recent years, I doubt they even ask for that in return.
How about
Sheed/Amir/Afflalo/unprotected 2010 1st round draft pick
for
Stoudemire/Barbosa
Saves Phoenix $2.5 million this season and $18 million next season. Plus it gives them a 2010 draft pick they traded in the Kurt Thomas giveaway.
I think they'd prefer Iverson to sheed/amir afflao. A lot less salary involved.
Well, going into the 2010 offseason we'd have these contracts:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
J Rich 14.5 mil
RIP 11 mil
Tay 11 mil
Barbosa 7 mil
Maxiell 5 mil
Stuckey 3 mil
AA 2 mil
That's 53.5 mil without Amare. We'd also need at least one more big man (lets assume MLE). That's another 6 mil. So we are up to about 60 mil. Throw in a few draft picks and you have another 2.5-3 mil at least. So 63 million prior to Amare. He's going to make at least 15 mil a season starting. We'd probably go over the tax level by a few million to sign him. Would they do that?
They'd also have to let Amir walk (or trade him for a pick and expiring deal next year). Or you could count Amir as your third big at the MLE.
Not to mention you'd see more small ball. If you get Stuckey, Barbosa, RIP, Tay and J Rich all 33-35 MPG, that's 175 minutes a night. You'd play most of the game (31 minutes) with Tay at PF. So he'd basically be a full time PF.
I'll take on Barbosa's salary to get Amare but not J Rich.
to be clear, I wouldn't do the deal either. I just wanted to see how far people were willing to go.
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Rasheed Wallace: 'If I get traded, I get traded'
by A. Sherrod Blakely
Saturday February 07, 2009, 1:15 PM
MILWAUKEE -- Rasheed Wallace says he doesn't want to be traded. But he's a 13-year veteran. He's in the final year of his contract. And the Pistons (26-21) aren't winning as much as they're accustomed to in past years.
He understands all those factors may result in him being traded prior to the Feb. 19 deadline.
"If I get traded, I get traded," Wallace said prior to the Pistons' shootaround this morning. "If it happens, can't cry over spilled milk. I just know wherever I go, wherever I get traded to, you gotta go and ball."