Here is some good info from :stein:
I put the Pistons portion in the Pistons rumors thread.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/column...adetalk-090205
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Here is some good info from :stein:
I put the Pistons portion in the Pistons rumors thread.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/column...adetalk-090205
I'm not a Spurs fan, but I would enjoy watching Sheed & Duncan play together.
That would be a thing of beauty, fundamentally.
Just heard a weird one.
Tinsley for Felton?
Apparently the Mavs turned down the Clippers' offer of Kaman/Baron for Kidd.
That would've been a boat load of salary going to the mavs the next few years. i'm sure that's why they turned it down.
would you do kaman and baron for either sheed or iverson/
im also hearing lamarcus,bayless, and raef for amare...wow we cant compete with that
I don't know if I'd make that trade as the Blazers. Lamarcus has some serious potential and that team is growing together. Are you really going to give that up to have Amare for a year and a half and potentially lose him?
I don't buy it. The Suns would have accepted that offer in a flash.
That's way too rich, IMO.
What an AWFUL deal that would be for Charlotte.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gl'enn
Do they REALLY need anymore guys signed beyond 2011?
Given Amare's injury history, and the fact that they have Aldridge, why would Portland want to gamble? Am I missing something?
It would have to be for AI. And no, I wouldn't. baron makes 13 mil a year for 4 more years after this. No way he stays healthy all that time. Plus, that doesn't help Stuckey learn the point anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cross
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O'Neal's days as a Raptor may be at an end
By FRANK ZICARELLI
Toronto Sun
Last Updated: 12th February 2009, 4:44am
For all intents and purposes, Jermaine O'Neal played his final game as a Raptor last night.
After all, there is no purpose in keeping O'Neal around in Raptorland any longer.
The team's intent, ever since word leaked a month ago today out of South Beach that O'Neal was being shopped around, was to find a suitable suitor for the veteran.
O'Neal is a good guy who has been placed in a bad situation, a natural power forward who has been asked to play centre.
There is always a chance O'Neal will survive next Thursday's trade deadline, but those chances appear to be slim and none, or roughly the same odds of the Raptors seeing the post-season.
With so much work to be done in remaking these Raptors, O'Neal represents one of the few assets that can actually be parlayed into additional pieces, both in the short term and long term.
Following last night's dizzying 91-89 win over the visiting San Antonio Spurs, the Raptors don't play until next Wednesday.
By then, O'Neal will either be moved or be asked to sit for LeBron James' visit to the ACC with some injury, real or imagined.
That's how business gets conducted when a deal in principle is agreed upon on a night when a player involved in said transaction is scheduled to play.
At least that's the scenario many envision, one that makes a lot of sense on many fronts.
The only questions remain the most obvious: Where and for whom?
Miami has been linked with O'Neal for the longest time, or at least from the day a Heat official conveniently leaked the possibility of a deal.
Any team would welcome a veteran post presence who can play at both ends.
The Raptors were thought to be that team when they acquired O'Neal and his checkered medical history from the Indiana Pacers in an off-season deal once viewed as positive.
It hasn't worked out for O'Neal and the Raptors and now all that stands in the way of his departure is to work out a trade.
There were times this season when O'Neal and Chris Bosh played well off each other, times when they would take turns in dominating games.
It now seems like a long time ago.
For whatever reason, there doesn't seem to exist any chemistry between O'Neal and Bosh, even as Bosh sits to rest his gimpy knee.
The Raptors have tried and O'Neal even tried by coming off the bench in the wake of Andrea Bargnani's emergence as a starter.
There were even times when the Raptors went big with a frontcourt of O'Neal, Bosh and Bargnani.
For those to dismiss O'Neal's skills would be foolish. The guy can play, but O'Neal's health continues to haunt him.
A six-time all-star in Indiana, everyone in the NBA knew O'Neal was incapable of playing an entire season given the knee issues he faced as a Pacer.
But there was always the hope in Toronto, a sentiment shared by O'Neal when he referred to his trade as a rebirth, that things would change.
Clearly, they haven't.
O'Neal wanted to prove himself all over again to the NBA and the Raptors wanted a proven second option and post presence to complement Bosh.
In theory, it all looked good.
In practice, it all went awry, much like the Raptors themselves.
When you watch O'Neal go elbow to elbow, shoulder to shoulder and hip to hip with Tim Duncan, you see a guy who wants to compete.
O'Neal's presence altered heaves by Manu Ginoboli and Tony Parker.
It's just too bad that O'Neal's body can't respond in kind.
But he's serviceable and any team with aspirations of going deep into the playoffs can use O'Neal.
GM Bryan Colangelo will be in Phoenix this weekend for the NBA's all-star festivities.
He'll be looking to acquire an expiring contract for this summer and a perimeter piece in any package involving O'Neal.
It'll be the first time Colangelo will be able to deal face to face with his league brethren.
The seeds, if they haven't been planted already, will now take root.
So long J.O.
It was nice knowing you.
^ Should I read that entire article Gl'enn?
I DID, AND THOROUGHLY ENJOYED IT, SOMUCHSO THAT I THOUGHT THAT IT DESERVED TO BE ENSHRINED IN THIS THREAD FOR ALL OF ETERNITY
a marion/Oneal deal effectively takes them out of the amare sweepstakes.
I keep scanning it for some text that is a lil more bold then the other text. I'll keep scanning...
IF YOU CHOOSE TO REMAIN IGNORANT, THEN THE REST OF US WILL PASS YOU BY
I WISH I HAD SOMEONE TO READ IT FOR ME LIKE LDB DOES
O'Neal has, what, another year left on his deal? If that's the case, is it worth it to pick up him and Bosh in a package since the Raps are trying to move him. Maybe AI and Sheed for Bosh, O'Neal, and filler?
Edit: They revamped the trade machine. It takes too long to load and it still needs a little work on appearance. Turns out O'Neal is an expiring (or so it says). The trade works straight up but I'm sure they'll want something else in return, like Amir or Max and picks, which I'd gladly throw in.
Stuckey/Bynum
Rip/Afflalo
Tay/Afflalo/Valter
Bosh/Max or Amir
McDyess/O'Neal
Who are you, Ledezma? nb;dr?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zekyl
That whole article was about how Bosh and O'Neal have been a bad mix.
We should try to get Amare and Shaq. lol
Exactly what came to mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe
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Mavericks have discussed trade for Carter
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports
10 hours, 17 minutes ago
PHOENIX – The New Jersey Nets and Dallas Mavericks have discussed a trade that would reunite Vince Carter and Jason Kidd, with Carter joining the Mavericks, a league source familiar with the discussions said Thursday night.
The proposed deal, which isn’t imminent, would send Carter, Keyon Dooling and Eduardo Najera to the Mavericks for Josh Howard and Jerry Stackhouse.
Nets executives are still reluctant to trade Carter, but are determined to let teams make their best offers all the way to next Thursday’s trade deadline.
The Mavericks have lost guard Jason Terry to a broken hand and desperately need perimeter scoring to stay a contender in the Western Conference. The Nets’ and Mavericks’ front offices engineered the Jason Kidd-Devin Harris blockbuster at the trade deadline a year ago. Nets GM Kiki Vandeweghe and Mavs GM Donnie Nelson have been active trading proposals, league sources say.
Carter, 31, has inspired significant interest throughout the league. The San Antonio Spurs are pursuing him and have discussed a proposal that would include Roger Mason, Bruce Bowen and Fabricio Oberto. While the Spurs also have interest in Detroit’s Rasheed Wallace, a Pistons source says the teams have not had any conversations.
For the Nets, the motivation to move Carter is mostly financial. The franchise is losing tens of millions of dollars a year and moving Carter would clear more cap space for 2010. Nevertheless, Nets president Rod Thorn wants to make the playoffs and believes he has his best chance with Carter on the roster. Carter is in the second season of a five-year extension that pays him close to $80 million through 2012. Only a fraction of the contract’s final season is guaranteed.
Carter is having a good season, averaging 21 points, five rebounds and five assists. The Nets are 24-29 and one game out of the final playoff spot in the Eastern Conference.
Roger Mason, Bruce Bowen and Fabricio Oberto for Sheed works under the cap.
And all those Spurs' contracts expire after next season.
And we're not having conversations with the Spurs?
Why the fuck not?
Wasn't I praising Roger Mason Jr on here years ago? He's still around? Damn!
I wouldn't want any of those fucks here, not even for 1 game.
Its just a way for us to get Bosh. We take on O'Neal's bad contract with him since it will be coming off the books before 2010 anyway.
theres some amare to the cavs rumors going on..team would be hard to beat. something like jjhickson, wally, and either a first or boobie gibson for amare. i doubt kerr would want to see a amare/lebron duo so I doubt that happens
It's taken a while but I've come to the conclusion that I don't want Amare... too many ? marks...
Will he re-sign... if not we gave up talent for an empty bag
The Micro fracture is real and not likely to go away
Offense only... a max contract for a one dimensional???
We're better off looking for an upside players at a fraction of the cost (Tyrus Thomas, Jason Thompson etc)
we lack a legit scorer who can work in the paint. hes athletic and can easily average 20/10 on the pistons. the injury part scares me and i don't like his ego, but he's still a top player in the league
Glenn, they would be here to bridge the 1 year gap we find ourselves in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gl'enn
In that scenario I take those 3 and with McDyess, Affalo and Bynum I'd have almost my entire bench for next season.
I'd rather not fill any gaps or bridge anything with old players that do nothing but stall the team's remodeling.
I don't understand bridging the gap to 2010 just to get to the same place as 10-12 other teams, fighting for the same free agents that don't want to come to Detroit. 8 out of 10 of them probably will stay put with their current teams anyways.
If he's going to play the FA game, '09 seems like a better play than '10. That's what Mark Cuban was saying the other day. Why compete and overpay with everyone else in '10 when you can go out and clean up in '09?
What I really think Joe needs to do is parlay Sheed's (and/or AI's) contract into a bonafide stud or two and remove any doubt about playing the free agency game.
What a deal that would be...Quote:
The Spurs continue to show interest in Nets swingman Vince Carter, most recently offering Roger Mason, George Hill, Fabricio Oberto and Bruce Bowen.
I'm sure the Nets would waive Oberto & Bowen to get under the roster limit, and they'd probably both go back to SA.
So by the playoffs they'd be sitting at...
C- Bonner/Oberto
PF- Duncan/K. Thomas/Mahinmi
SF- Carter/Bowen/Udoka
SG- Finley/Ginobili
PG- Parker/Vaughn
^^unbeatable^^
However, you could make a case that Roger Mason has been the Spurs most clutch player this season...
What are the odds of going into the 10/11 season as the Pistons being a favorite choice of landing a big fish?... with 20 other GMs having the same cap space.
If you look at the past 10 years the 2 or less max players change teams each year... it's like asking them to give up millions and one extra year in length.... only the highest profile markets can make up this difference.
I'm thinking Bulls post MJ (and they're a big market)..
Make a trade for an up-n-coming young big... then use the bird to retain him long term.
Remember there is always the possibility of a sign and trade. That would allow for other teams to pay the max so that the player wouldn't need to take less.
Besides with so many teams being significantly under the cap there would be more options. Looking at this past offseason I believe only Philadelphia and Memphis would fall into that category. Plus in the summer of 2010 the volume of high profile free agents will be much higher than most offseasons. This means that teams that high profile players i.e. Wade, Bosh, James, Nowitzki, Ginobili will have many more options other than resign with there current team or sign with the lowly teams that have cap space for a max player. Seeing as many teams will have significant cap space they would be more likely to do a sign and trade for a player looking for the max because that team would likely be able to avoid the tax threshold.
Obviously the suggestion of trading for a young big and using bird rights would be ideal. A team would likely have to give up more in a trade while the player is under contract compared to a sign and trade where the team trading the player away really just wants to get something for the player, i.e. a draft picks/cash.
healthy lakers team can beat that imo, maybe the celtics too. if the spurs got vince, theyd be much more fun to watch, and the west would be pretty damn competitve..Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilfredo Ledezma
Glenn/Mercury - I am all for getting Amare now. In fact I think I stated that I'd trade everyone except Stuckey, Rip and Tay in any combo just to have him in Detroit.
But I am assuming Joe won't get it done and thought that if he really wanted to go through until 2010 he could do worse than that Spurs trade. Naturally I'd prefer him to fucking get Amare here now, but is that likely?
I think Joe will strike out in the trade market, do little of anything this off-season and then get fucking burned alive in 2010! I don't know why I feel that way, I just do.
And it fucking sucks, especially when we have 2 giant expiring deals, a few draft picks and cheap and tradeable youth!
Go get a fucking stud, Joe. Surely there is one team out there that is dying to clear (more) cap space for 2010, or ants to strike in 2009?
BTW, which teams figure to have a ton of space in 2010? I haven't looked
alot of trade rumors going around...vince carter, raef lafrentz and the Thunder are mentioned alot. most of this is bullshit, but it will be interesting to see how this plays out, considering the status of the economy
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3912108Quote:
Sources: Stoudemire likely to stay
By Marc Stein
ESPN.com
There are suddenly strong signals emanating from the desert that the coaching change announced Monday by the Phoenix Suns will be the only big personnel change they make this week.
After the Suns spent several days taking and making phone calls on potential trades for Amare Stoudemire and Shaquille O'Neal, NBA front-office sources told ESPN.com that Phoenix -- having received a series of underwhelming proposals for Stoudemire -- prefers now to leave its core intact for the rest of the season to see if new coach Alvin Gentry can do more with this group than the outgoing Terry Porter.
"I got the impression today that [the Suns] are standing pat," said one source with knowledge of the team's thinking.
Said another source close to the situation: "That is very accurate."
Well, it doesn't sop Joe from going after a big fish.
How often do teams NOT WANT big expiring deals, a ton of draft picks and some good youth for their stud?
Joe just has to pick the right stud.
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Bosh rumor gains steam
Raptors forward would head to Bulls, with Gooden, Thomas to Suns
February 17, 2009
BY BRIAN HANLEY bhanley@suntimes.com
The Amare Stoudemire trade talk still has the Bulls among the teams most involved, but a new scenario making the rounds has the Bulls taking part in a three-team deal that would bring Toronto Raptors star Chris Bosh to Chicago.
The rumored swap would send Stoudemire to Toronto and land the Phoenix Suns a package of players and draft picks from the Bulls, likely to include Drew Gooden and his expiring $7.2 million contract, Tyrus Thomas and a first-round pick.
Gar Forman, the Bulls' director of player personnel who's expected to become general manager once John Paxson gives up day-to-day duties, reportedly has taken the lead in the talks with the Suns.
Other teams said to be interested in Stoudemire are Detroit, Cleveland, Sacramento, Houston and (less likely) Portland. Cavaliers GM Danny Ferry was quoted on NBA.com as saying he doubted he would make any trades by the league deadline Thursday.
Suns president Steve Kerr said last week he expects all talks to go down to the deadline.
The Suns fired first-year coach Terry Porter on Monday and replaced him with assistant Alvin Gentry. The move might signal they are leaning toward keeping Stoudemire, at least until the summer, and making a playoff push. Or it might be an effort to make other teams believe that and increase their offers for the four-time All-Star forward.
Various reports indicate the Suns have been underwhelmed by the offers they have received for Stoudemire, 26. Teams believe Phoenix has little leverage because it needs to shed Stoudemire's contract to get under the $71.15 million salary cap and avoid paying the luxury tax of $1 for every $1 over the limit.
Stoudemire earns $15 million this season and is owed $16.4 million next season, with a player option worth $17.7 million in 2010-11. His agent has said they will want a maximum contract extension of more than $100 million over five or six seasons from the team that trades for him or once he is a free agent.
The 6-10, 230-pound Bosh, also a four-time All-Star, turns 24 next month. He makes $14 million this season and $15.8 million next season, with a player option of $17.1 million in 2010-11.
Porter, who replaced Mike D'Antoni last summer, was unpopular with Suns players. He will be paid more than $4 million remaining on his three-year contract, increasing the team's red ink.
''I hired Terry because I believed he would be able to provide the balance our team needed in order to perform at a very high level,'' Kerr said. ''Unfortunately, the transition from last season to this one proved to be very difficult, and we have not played to our potential.
''It's imperative that we move forward and do what's best for our team. Alvin has been an integral part of our successes the previous four years and knows our talent as well as anyone.''