National debt Crisis

That's a cool link G.

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Originally Posted by geerussell

By what magic do you cut the deficit without addressing the areas where most of the spending and most of the growth in spending happens?

Again I refer you to the 2011 federal budget. Click on the button to hide the mandatory spending. Look at what's left: defense and table scraps. All the deficit hawks are doing is arguing over small pieces of the table scraps.

Why are you going to the extremes using words like 'eviscerate'? Those programs can be cut without 'eviscerating' them.

AND THE DEMS NEVER EVEN DID A BUDGET LAST YEAR! The Dem's in congress shouldn't even get their paychecks for last year cuz they didn't even put forth a budget. We are under a CR right now till march(?). Seriously, what a bunch of yahoos. SMH.

Also, that button thing hides programs that need to be cut. So I"m not willing to hide that spending.

Also, that is a good link. It would have been nice for them to mention there is no budget thanks to the Dems.

Serious question....where is Obamas 900billion or was a trillion dollar stimulus package in that graph?

Continuing resolutions are pretty routine. Budgets are surely better, but I'm not sure why you are harping on that. They happen literally, almost every year, no matter which party holds power in which branch of the government.

They didn't even put forward any budget resolutions. The parts that make up the budget. AFAICT, nothing was resolved in committees.

This was really bad this year. We've got this crisis and they didn't even do their jobs. But I'm sure we got some Post Offices named after some of them...you know the important stuff.

Appropriation bills. 12 make up the US budget. You might be right that no appropriation bills were approved (or even voted on?). That's not a first, but certainly not typical. The full year continuing resolution (CR) isn't abnormal at this point.

Agreed that budgets are better and that not paying politicians unless they pass them would get them passed MUCH more often.

My understanding is that the appropriation bills are post passage of a budget. That is the actual funding. Prior to a budget, committees put together a budget for a specific portion of the budget....defense or something. Than that partial budget is resolved and waits for all the other parts and then the budget is passed. I thought, might be wrong though, that the appropriation came later.

Appropriation bills are the base legal structure of the budget. Budget is essentially a name to call all 12 together. The constitution says that congress must "appropriate" (it uses that actual word) all money drawn from the treasury. In other words, the only way to make treasury withdraws is via a federal law.

The committees you are talking about meet to figure out their departments portion of which ever of the 12 appropriation bill they are covered by. The twelve can be voted on or vetoed separately or put together in an omnibus appropriation bill.

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Originally Posted by Fool

Appropriation bills are the base legal structure of the budget. Budget is essentially a name to call all 12 together. The constitution says that congress must "appropriate" (it uses that actual word) all money drawn from the treasury. In other words, they only way to make treasury withdraws is via a federal law.

The committees you are talking about meet to figure out their departments portion of which ever of the 12 appropriation bill they are covered by. The twelve can be voted on or vetoed separately or put together in an omnibus appropriation bill.

Which was never done last year.