Would you prefer to see:
A) Charlie V shooting long-jumpers and Bynum in the starting line-up
B) Stuckey in the starting line-up and Nova step in a bit closer?
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Would you prefer to see:
A) Charlie V shooting long-jumpers and Bynum in the starting line-up
B) Stuckey in the starting line-up and Nova step in a bit closer?
That's a hard one. I like CV shooting closer because it doesn't look like speed is an issue for him. I'd probably still go with the first though, because Bynum's drive and dish style would be a very nice compliment to him and when he does play with Stuckey at the point, he doesn't shoot much at all so it doesn't matter where he shoots from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pharaoh
LMAO - I seriously wonder if you have ever played the game at ANY level on a real team, not some rec league bullshit for something to do.
On a real team dudes have roles. You might not like that but it's a fact. And deep down (at places you don't talk about at parties) you need guys like Bynum, you want guys like Bynum COMING OFF THE BENCH.
Dude makes a massive impact most of the time and you wanna sacrifice all the good he does IN THAT ROLE to move him into a DIFFERENT ROLE?
WTF?
For the life of me I will never understand how people see a guy like Bynum coming off the bench and AUTOMATICALLY assume the dude will do the exact SAME JOB if you start him.
Starting is completely different, your role completely different and yet somehow people who are supposed to be intelligent NEVER acknowledge this fact.
But you guys can hum the same fucking tune all day, every day. I'm just thankful that the people who matter (like Coach Johnny Q) understand the impact Bynum has in his current role and refuse to bow down.
Start Chucky, start Stuckey, start Gordon at PG. But if you like Bynum and think he does a great fucking job don't change his role. Don't fuck with him. Let him be the success story that he is.
Cause if you change his role and start the dude you will fuck him up and hurt the team. If that's what you wanna do then quite frankly you can get fucked and I pray you become a fan of a different team.
There's also the little matter of who finishes games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pharaoh
I think there's a difference between a 30+ mpg player, a 15-20 mpg rotation player, and a "10 mpg half-the-time" dude. There's some particular aspects that skew who ought to start (who's the best at the opening tap) or close (sucky FT% or anti-clutch instincts), but I think of the role as being defined more by minutes played than where you fit in the rotation.
Couldn't agree more. This is more important than who starts or what minutes someone gets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Mxy
Let me check if I understand what you mean:Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Mxy
Do you mean that you are happy for player A (let's say Bynum) to continue to come off the bench IF he still gets the minutes he "deserves"?
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Originally Posted by Pharaoh
yeah you're right.
Chauncey was great off the bench in Minnesota and we fucked up changing his role. Ben Gordon was great off the bench for Chicago, and you see how bad it fucked his game up by starting every time he plays now. Ben Wallace in Orlando was great off the bench, and we fucked that all up too. Tayshaun once really shined coming off the bench as well. Actually, while it's being discussed, Stuckey looked good coming off the bench too. The Pistons are always fucking it up.
I mean Bynum currently comes off the bench to drive and dish. He'd definitely stop doing that if he started. He'd probably be like "What the fuck? I'm starting!" and then he'd chuck up 20 threes a game. You clearly have it all figured out.
I'm not in any "Bynum must start" or "Bynum must come off the bench" camp. If I'm in any camp, it's the "Bynum should close" camp.
I'm coming down with Koolaid on this, and I think that last post did a solid job of making his point. How does a player ever elevate himself to the starting lineup without being 'anointed'?
Was he? Or was he pretty hit and miss until he landed the starting job when Terrell Brandon went down with injury?Quote:
Originally Posted by Koolaid
Dude seized his opportunity and landed a good contract - on a different team that traded another ball-needing guard (Stackhouse) in order to allow Billups to play his natural game.
BG was also a really good starter for the BullsQuote:
Originally Posted by Koolaid
Actually he was not exceptional off their bench. He was good but very few people thought he was gonna become what he became.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koolaid
WHAT? For how many games? Go look that shit up, young buck. He did not really shine. He fucking announced his arrival v Orlando, He was better than good in that series. But check his regular season. Dude did shit. But when he arrived he "blossomed" straight away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koolaid
Damn right we fucked this up. Should have kept Chauncey and Rip as the starters with Stuckey off the bench.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koolaid
Now, before we move on let me point out that pretty much every dude Koolaid named has been (or is pretty damn close to) an All-Star.
And you're comparing Will Bynum with them!
No green text? Lucky I can tell you're being sarcastic. But IF you put him in the starting line-up you do lose the spark off the bench he provides AND you do change the way he plays.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koolaid
Ain't no more Bynum iso shit - his job would be to run the offense, which is not all-Bynum, all the fucking time. And it ain't drive and dish all the time either. Dudes that are coming off screens and picks need to be delivered the ball at the right time.
Plays need to be run, dudes need to be in the right position for spacing and all the other shit that a PG needs to think about/keep track of (how the opponent reacts to certain plays, who's hot, when do I push the pace, when do I slow it down, when do I take my guy to the rack etc)
You have no fucking idea the amount of shit a real PG (not Bynum, not Stuckey) need to think about. And that's why you're corect when you say...
Sig that shitQuote:
Originally Posted by Koolaid
How does a dude get promoted to the starting line-up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Glan
When other dudes get injured and he gets his chance to shine. Or when he makes his case so air tight that the Coach says "Fuck the bench - this kid is the shit" and starts him.
But what did Coach Q do? He started Chucky fucking Atkins. With Rip out, Tay out, BG out and only really 3 guards to choose from Johnny Q chose the rookie Austin Daye first and when that FAILED he chose Chucky!
That's pretty fucking telling IMO. And it's a message Bynum would have got (and I hope it makes him a better player).
It's just a shame very few of you got the message.
Y'all act like Bynum has descended from Heaven to save the once mighty Piston franchise from this pathetic existence known as mediocrity.
Newsflash: He ain't that fucking good.
He's good, but you guys are so far gone he gets compared to All-Star calibre players and y'all wanna annoit him as the sacred cow or some shit.
He is a mis-match waiting to happen. IF teams planned to abuse him he could be seriously exposed and y'all would start crying. Right now he's a fucking after thought, a footnote on a scouting report that deals with BG, Rip, Tay, Nova, Stuckey and Big Ben.