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BTW, Hillary lied when she said she REJECTED the Independence Party:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...arty%22&st=nyt

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The two candidates for United States Senate sought the endorsement of the fractious Independence Party here today, but Hillary Rodham Clinton used her speech to attack the group for what she said was the ''anti-Semitism, extremism, prejudice and intolerance of a few shrill voices on both the right and the left.''

Mrs. Clinton added that she welcomed the endorsement of the party,

from what i saw, barak didnt do a great job with the pledge to work towards public financing with righty.

obvously, barak would be leaving alot on the table and surrendering a huge advantage if he went down that road. saying he will tells the dems he would disarm vs the reds... hes not secure enough in the nomination to do that.

he could welch

http://myspace-357.vo.llnwd.net/0073...32063357_m.jpg

and just assume it wont hurt him too much, could even say an agreement could not be reached.

or he could actually go through with it. if he could some how iron out a deal so that neocons dont cheat or find a lupehole (i wouldnt risk this), he should easilly defeat mccain on a level playing field.

i think this is a small issue that will be brought up but more or less a blank. obama will keep his money.

He never actually pledged that he'd do anything other than what he said in the debate. Here's the basis of the so-called "pledge":

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/02/us...aA&oref=slogin

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A spokesman for Mr. Obama, Bill Burton, said, “We hope that each of the Republican candidates pledges to do the same.”

Mr. Burton added that if nominated Mr. Obama would “aggressively pursue an agreement” with whoever was his opponent.

His campaign wishes that all Republicans would cut off their balls with public financing, but nowhere in this does he actually indicate that he'd pledge to do anything but talk. Note that specific wording was used in the debate, and has been used at other time. Obama gave himself wiggle room. It's a moot point, though. Given McCain's flop when it comes to public financing, Obama can make a good faith effort and argue that McCain just isn't believable on the matter.

He could also point out that in real life, McCain is barely over four feet tall and is really creepy.

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Originally Posted by Uncle Mxy

This isn't the NBA. Most regular joes want an even, steady hand at the helm. Obama showed that tonight. Hillary did not.

That was a quote from the beginning of the night. And I suppose I had the wrong word with aggression; what I meant was passion. Towards the end of the night, however, she just started repeating herself. Dumb.

Hillary was terrible. That whole mess about getting the first question was rediculous. They did the math after and she's had 6 out of the last 10 first questions. WOW. And all the experts said you generally want the question first because you can set the tone of the entire topic (much like recieving the football on the coin flip). She just seemed like a crybaby there.

I don't think either side really scored many points on the issues. I just saw this as a further unravaling of Hillary's capaign (also when she had no excuse as to why her tax return was not already out there), and the further enhancement of Obama as a presidential looking guy. She looked desparate and he looked confident.

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Originally Posted by WTFchris

I don't think either side really scored many points on the issues. I just saw this as a further unravaling of Hillary's capaign (also when she had no excuse as to why her tax return was not already out there), and the further enhancement of Obama as a presidential looking guy. She looked desparate and he looked confident.

More or less nailed it there. As the night went on, nobody really won anything on the issues. Hilla looked hella desperate and whiny though.

This impression that you guys are getting of Obama seeming calmer and cooler is the thing that I think is going to carry him over Hillary at the convention. One of the things people always used to say about Bill was "he's great, but he's got a nasty temper" and that reputation is now bleeding over to his wife.

And it's that exact impression that's going to win Obama against McCain in the end. McCain has tons of recorded instances of him losing his shit at people for no good reason, and they're going to be used against him in the general election season.

Even if it makes him seem a little bland, it's what people are going to want for the next president. I don't think people want a Decider anymore. I think the general impression is that people are looking for an Eisenhower, a caretaker administration who's going to keep things quiet after a period of international upheaval. When people vote this year they're going to be looking for the kind of person they'd want babysitting their kids. I think Obama is the one who makes that impression the best out of all of them. Unless you're Zip, in which case it's Gary Busey. The next president is not going to be nearly as powerful as Bush was, IMO.

Here's another lie by Hillary in the debate:

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Perino said the Bush administration has previously moved fast to release roughly 550,000 pages of documents from the Clinton administration. She said in this case the White House is waiting for a representative for former President Clinton, Bruce Lindsey, to approve the release of the new documents and then formally ask the Bush administration to do so.
"And if the Clinton representative approves the release of the records, we act as quickly as practical to get them out," Perino said, when a reporter asked about the controversy at the White House daily briefing. "And as I said, we don't have anything pending at the moment."
During a debate with Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, on Tuesday night, a journalist pressed Clinton on whether she will make sure the documents are released during the primary season to give voters a clearer view of her experience as first lady. "I have urged that our end of it move as expeditiously as we can," said Clinton. "Now, also, President Bush claims the right to look at anything that is released, and I would urge the Bush White House to move as quickly as possible."

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Originally Posted by WTFchris

Hillary was terrible. That whole mess about getting the first question was rediculous. They did the math after and she's had 6 out of the last 10 first questions. WOW. And all the experts said you generally want the question first because you can set the tone of the entire topic (much like recieving the football on the coin flip). She just seemed like a crybaby there.

In the Texas debate, there WAS a coin flip. Obama won the toss, and he picked Hillary to take the first question.

Being first has its pros and cons. She's fallen into a lot of traps being first. For example, there was that weird question about the new Russian president which was ambiguously directed, but Hillary was all gung-ho. Hillary managed to look silly by not acknowledging up front that she didn't know the guy's name (even as she gave a fairly reasonable response otherwise).

Honestly, I thought that question was going to Hillary, because I expected it to reference how Hillary said "Putin had no soul" awhile back (and I suspect Obama had the same thought, having referenced Putin's soul in his response). I was surprised when I saw the replay that Russert wasn't clearly addressing either of them.