Official Darko Watch

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Originally Posted by b-diddy

1) how the hell would we ever know if darko was tanking? he wasnt EVER given a chance.

LOL...thats bullshit. He was given an oppurtunity by far. and Flip woulda had no problem subbing 2 big men if Darko wasnt looking playing like he didnt give a shit. In fact he did sub Darko in, we got outscored and darko played like he didnt care anymore. If anything darko forced flip to take him out of the rotation. Flip wanted to have the next KG type big man. But he's not gonna baby him.

Are you trying to tell me darko gave full effort?

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Originally Posted by b-diddy

look, did darko handle himself the best way possible in his detroit days?

absolutely not.

but then again, he was a 17-20 year old put under tremendous scrutiny, asked to do the impossible.

its called burning out, it happens to everyone. LB didnt give lebron, carmelo, or amare in the olympics, he pissed them off then, too (regardless of what they say).

the fact that darko didnt give it his all in the last 2 min of a blowout, imo, should not be held against him. and while its not ok that he apparantly gave up in detroit, it is understandable.

Impossible? PLAYING WITH FULL EFFORT IS IMPOSSIBLE??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [smilie=applause.gi: [smilie=applause.gi: [smilie=applause.gi: My goodness thats one hell of a "fuck up as much as you like" security excuse blanket you lay for him. [smilie=annoyed.gif]

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Originally Posted by Rorschach

The few he played in earned him time in others. His response then was to tank it. he felt he couldnt get more than 5-7 minutes a game so he gave up and it showed.

Look at the first few games...

1. Philly: Blowout
2. Boston: 3 minutes 51 seconds
3. Toronto: Blowout
4. Sacramento: Blowout
5. Phoenix: DNP
6. Portland: DNP

That is when the tanking started, IMO. He had what 99% of fans thought was a great pre-season, yet he was picking up most of his minutes in garbage time again and he even got back-to-back DNPs during the 2nd week of the season. I thought that Flip was just being conservative with the minutes because he was trying to prove his system to the team, but it got worse before it got better. The NY game was bad, but I don't think 1 game should decide his career in Detroit. I still think he should have gotten three or four 18-20 minute games in a row before Joe pulled the trigger. Just give him one more look.

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I think its fucked up because Joe D backed Darko in spite of alot and Darko didnt give a shit because he wasnt playing 20 minutes a game. Selfish lil brat couldnt even respect what the guy did for him enough to keep his mouth shut. Even after Dumars lied and said cutting Darko was a cap move foremost. He didnt say why it became a cap move. Which is Darko wasnt putting any effort out for the millions he was getting.

Look, I agree that he was a punk. But I don't agree that you throw out an extremely talented big man just because he doesn't like playing garbage minutes. Darko was drafted between 2 pre-NBA superstars, and by association, he was one too. I would imagine there are plenty of "star" players out there that would do similar (if not worse) things if they were in his situation. Does that mean I wouldn't want to have them on the team? No. I would play them, and it would negate the problem.

It's not like he was causing a disturbance in the locker room or something.

But he is a problem in the locker room for players busting they ass. If you bust your ass at work and the new guy slacks off, you're gonna have an issue with it. You may not be vocal out loud about it. But you wouldnt like it. Its not fair to give him minutes when Maxiel and Johnson play harderer. I still think Amir has more athletic potential than Darko anyways.

And i said before, he handcuffed Joe Dumars with that tank move. I'd give him a crobar to the shin next time i saw him if i was Joe Dumars. I mean you act as if keeping him was a legitimate option. We get even less for him at the end of the year and he gets into a lame duck year tanking it next season. We had the potential to get NOTHING for him. Do you understand that? its not an option. If Darko didnt want to be here, get what you can and move on. you cant always get a steal for your losses. Sometimes you take a hit, just to drop a guy either way. He was gone regardless. We just spoed up the process and got something in return. We woulda got more if we dumped him at the beginning of the year. But i dont fault Joe Dumars for getting darkos back. I fault Darko for saying fuck him regardless.,

we did get nothing for him, though.

cato might never play a minute for us.

we gave up 2 players for nothing in a playoff run. how do you get less than that?

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Originally Posted by FP22

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Originally Posted by Rorschach

The few he played in earned him time in others. His response then was to tank it. he felt he couldnt get more than 5-7 minutes a game so he gave up and it showed.

Look at the first few games...

1. Philly: Blowout
2. Boston: 3 minutes 51 seconds
3. Toronto: Blowout
4. Sacramento: Blowout
5. Phoenix: DNP
6. Portland: DNP

That is when the tanking started, IMO. He had what 99% of fans thought was a great pre-season, yet he was picking up most of his minutes in garbage time again and he even got back-to-back DNPs during the 2nd week of the season. I thought that Flip was just being conservative with the minutes because he was trying to prove his system to the team, but it got worse before it got better. The NY game was bad, but I don't think 1 game should decide his career in Detroit. I still think he should have gotten three or four 18-20 minute games in a row before Joe pulled the trigger. Just give him one more look.

Actually the boston game in detroit and the jersey game were where he started tanking it. He played absolutely horrible defense in both games like he didnt even care.

You can justify tanking anyway you want but tanking is tanking. And it has no place here. Fuck him and anyone else with no balls to play hard.

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Originally Posted by b-diddy

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I think its fucked up because Joe D backed Darko in spite of alot and Darko didnt give a shit because he wasnt playing 20 minutes a game. Selfish lil brat couldnt even respect what the guy did for him enough to keep his mouth shut. Even after Dumars lied and said cutting Darko was a cap move foremost. He didnt say why it became a cap move. Which is Darko wasnt putting any effort out for the millions he was getting.

Look, I agree that he was a punk. But I don't agree that you throw out an extremely talented big man just because he doesn't like playing garbage minutes. Darko was drafted between 2 pre-NBA superstars, and by association, he was one too. I would imagine there are plenty of "star" players out there that would do similar (if not worse) things if they were in his situation. Does that mean I wouldn't want to have them on the team? No. I would play them, and it would negate the problem.

It's not like he was causing a disturbance in the locker room or something.

But he is a problem in the locker room for players busting they ass. If you bust your ass at work and the new guy slacks off, you're gonna have an issue with it. You may not be vocal out loud about it. But you wouldnt like it. Its not fair to give him minutes when Maxiel and Johnson play harderer. I still think Amir has more athletic potential than Darko anyways.

And i said before, he handcuffed Joe Dumars with that tank move. I'd give him a crobar to the shin next time i saw him if i was Joe Dumars. I mean you act as if keeping him was a legitimate option. We get even less for him at the end of the year and he gets into a lame duck year tanking it next season. We had the potential to get NOTHING for him. Do you understand that? its not an option. If Darko didnt want to be here, get what you can and move on. you cant always get a steal for your losses. Sometimes you take a hit, just to drop a guy either way. He was gone regardless. We just spoed up the process and got something in return. We woulda got more if we dumped him at the beginning of the year. But i dont fault Joe Dumars for getting darkos back. I fault Darko for saying fuck him regardless.,

we did get nothing for him, though.

cato might never play a minute for us.

we gave up 2 players for nothing in a playoff run. how do you get less than that?

I hated giving up arroyo and that part of the deal sucked. But your thickheaded blind darko love is blinding you top the fact that we get nothing for him when he tanks another year and goes lame duck before leaving us for NOTHING in return....

We got Cato and a pick. We keep him we Get NOTHING. Maybe me and you define nothing under a different set of rules. If you wanted more in return, you shoulda told him to play with some balls. [smilie=annoyed.gif]His shitty effort took dumars out the running for anything valuable in return.

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Originally Posted by b-diddy

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I think its fucked up because Joe D backed Darko in spite of alot and Darko didnt give a shit because he wasnt playing 20 minutes a game. Selfish lil brat couldnt even respect what the guy did for him enough to keep his mouth shut. Even after Dumars lied and said cutting Darko was a cap move foremost. He didnt say why it became a cap move. Which is Darko wasnt putting any effort out for the millions he was getting.

Look, I agree that he was a punk. But I don't agree that you throw out an extremely talented big man just because he doesn't like playing garbage minutes. Darko was drafted between 2 pre-NBA superstars, and by association, he was one too. I would imagine there are plenty of "star" players out there that would do similar (if not worse) things if they were in his situation. Does that mean I wouldn't want to have them on the team? No. I would play them, and it would negate the problem.

It's not like he was causing a disturbance in the locker room or something.

But he is a problem in the locker room for players busting they ass. If you bust your ass at work and the new guy slacks off, you're gonna have an issue with it. You may not be vocal out loud about it. But you wouldnt like it. Its not fair to give him minutes when Maxiel and Johnson play harderer. I still think Amir has more athletic potential than Darko anyways.

And i said before, he handcuffed Joe Dumars with that tank move. I'd give him a crobar to the shin next time i saw him if i was Joe Dumars. I mean you act as if keeping him was a legitimate option. We get even less for him at the end of the year and he gets into a lame duck year tanking it next season. We had the potential to get NOTHING for him. Do you understand that? its not an option. If Darko didnt want to be here, get what you can and move on. you cant always get a steal for your losses. Sometimes you take a hit, just to drop a guy either way. He was gone regardless. We just spoed up the process and got something in return. We woulda got more if we dumped him at the beginning of the year. But i dont fault Joe Dumars for getting darkos back. I fault Darko for saying fuck him regardless.,

we did get nothing for him, though.

cato might never play a minute for us.

we gave up 2 players for nothing in a playoff run. how do you get less than that?

By your logic, we gave up nothing for nothing, then.

Darko and Arroyo wouldnt do any more for us this season than that 2007 draft pick.

Delk is a better fit for this team than Arroyo.

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Originally Posted by Rorschach

Actually the boston game in detroit and the jersey game were where he started tanking it. He played absolutely horrible defense in both games like he didnt even care.

You can justify tanking anyway you want but tanking is tanking. And it has no place here. Fuck him and anyone else with no balls to play hard.

That's what I said. It is no coincidence that the home Boston game was immediately after those 2 DNPs. That's why I said that was when he started tanking. I agree that his attitude sucks about it, but we shouldn't have found out about it. He should have played to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Rorschach

Actually the boston game in detroit and the jersey game were where he started tanking it. He played absolutely horrible defense in both games like he didnt even care.

You can justify tanking anyway you want but tanking is tanking. And it has no place here. Fuck him and anyone else with no balls to play hard.

That's what I said. It is no coincidence that the home Boston game was immediately after those 2 DNPs.

So my point is why waste anymore time? The dude forced our hand. What? not trade him just to spite him and get nothing for him when he leaves. We got much more important things to do that play petty boy merry go 'round with that lil brat.

Not to mention by all accounts, he was tanking in PRACTICE.

In Detroit, that's unforgiveable.