Pistons sign Flip Murray (old thread)

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Originally Posted by Kstat

Added to that, the fact ben is a mediocre DEFENSIVE player man-to-man.

im getting really tired of you reshaping the truth to fit YOUR argument. if you want to talk basketball sensibly, fine. if you want to argue just to argue, then what's the point?

everyone can see you've blatantly got an agenda, and that your willing to say assinine things just to make a point.

why dont you take a few days away from the website? at this point, i doubt you know where you stand on issues, and that you just come up with counterarguments to whatever anyone says.

Ben's a mediocre man-to-man defensive player. I could make a list a mile long of guys that have killed him in the post. I don't think more than 5 people outside of detroit and chicago would disagree with me.

Shit, even when Ben was in his statistical prime in 2002, Antonio Davis absolutely abused him on the low block in the playoffs.

me:except for all those guys who voted for him dpoy 4 times.

kstat: 'he was voted dpoy for his weakside defense, not his man-to-man'.

me: how do you explain ben switching to the best scorer in late game scenarios? how do explain all the highlights of ben sending a shot back in the dudes face while in man-to-man? how do you explain ben being the only one to guard shaq in the entire miami series?

kstat: and alot of good ben did us against miami. lol.

me: *steps away from computer and rips apart pillow in frustration*

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there, i just saved us 20 minutes, and i didnt even have to tear apart the pillow.

You're just making shit up now.

Remember all those times ben hit threes, or dunked from the FT line?

Please. Ben never gets switched on to the other team's best player except when we're in foul trouble, and he almost never blocks a shot unless it comes from the weak side or from behind. He might have one block every now and then, but certainly not nearly as many as he gets weakside.

Oh and BTW, Ben never shuts down Shaq. SHaq's numbers aren't any worse against us than most other teams.

Ben simply makes him work more for his points, and we hope by the 4th quarter, he's out of gas.

Of course, nobody can shut down shaq. But that also includes Ben.

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Originally Posted by Kstat

Please. Ben never gets switched on to the othe rteam's best player, and he almost never blockes a shot unless it comes from the weak side of from behind.

You mean like when he never switched onto LeBron on the perimeter and LBJ passed off rather than try to drive on Ben?

You mean when he never blocked Shaq so hard it broke my window?

or, off the top of my head, duncan several times. in fact, im quite certain ben got the dpoy my sophomore year of college... 2003 (?), for his man-to-man block on tim duncan on martin luther king day (it was at the end of the game).

never question my memory. EVER.

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Originally Posted by Kstat

Please. Ben never gets switched on to the othe rteam's best player, and he almost never blockes a shot unless it comes from the weak side of from behind.

You mean like when he never switched onto LeBron on the perimeter and LBJ passed off rather than try to drive on Ben?

You mean when he never blocked Shaq so hard it broke my window?

Yep.

Of course, Ben got dunked through the rim the next 4 times shaq caught the ball, but yes, it was a hell of a block.

Every now and then, ben will get one of those, but itll be sandwiched between getting 4 or 5 baskets scored on him.

And yes, Ben is probably a better perimeter defender than post defender because of his size and quickness. It's pretty easy to get shots off on ben one-on-one because he's only 6'8" and there's only so much he can do against taller players. By posting him up on the low block, you pretty much eliminate him as a shot-blocker, and Ben's only resort is to try to poke the ball away.

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Originally Posted by Kstat

Please. Ben never gets switched on to the othe rteam's best player, and he almost never blockes a shot unless it comes from the weak side of from behind.

You mean like when he never switched onto LeBron on the perimeter and LBJ passed off rather than try to drive on Ben?

You mean when he never blocked Shaq so hard it broke my window?

actually, if memory serves me correctly, didn't Lebron drive right past ben and dunk on him?

well, i was right that pistons played the spurs MLK day of 2003, but thats not the game i was thinking of, i dont think.

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Originally Posted by Kstat

Please. Ben never gets switched on to the othe rteam's best player, and he almost never blockes a shot unless it comes from the weak side of from behind.

You mean like when he never switched onto LeBron on the perimeter and LBJ passed off rather than try to drive on Ben?

You mean when he never blocked Shaq so hard it broke my window?

actually, if memory serves me correctly, didn't Lebron drive right past ben and dunk on him?

Yeah.

LeBron's hit three over ben, missed threes over ben, he's passed the ball off, and he's also put it on the floor and dunked on him.

Ben's as good a center as there is at guarding the perimeter, but that's not saying much.