flip murray wooohoo!! i have two guys i dislike on this team.[smilie=grumble.gif]
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flip murray wooohoo!! i have two guys i dislike on this team.[smilie=grumble.gif]
call it whatever you want. but i have my own opinion and do not rely on ANY outsiders to influence it. if you knew me you would understand that. there's no need to try and fit me in some category of people who believe whatever they're told, just because you don't like my opinion.
the heat played good team defense and benefitted greatly by having 2 superstar players, one in particular, who could get to the line. wade benefitted from the fact that the mavs weren't allowed to play any D on him. i don't think there's anyone who will dispute that fact.
finally, what one-way defensive player do the heat have? none. they have guys who play good D (posey, zo come immediately to mind) but who can also put the ball in the hole.
Payton, Shandon Anderson, Haslem, Posey...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
I almost want to give up arguing with you, but then I won't have an excuse to not do laundry. Yep, you narrowly edge out dirty socks and skidmarked boxers.
we have a bunch of good defenders too. and we fell woefully short of winning. so what's the point?
nobody is saying ben is the reason we lost. at least, i sure hope not.
but what each of those guys you mentioned on the heat can also do, is score when needed. or get to the line and score. ben is a horrible offensive player, i don't care what his shooting percentage looks like.
and even if he could score, teams exposed him by purposely fouling him and sending him to the line, and he struggled to even make 1 of 2. so in effect, he was a one way player, who was not even being allowed to play defense with the way the game is being officiated.
this team is pretty soft and unfortunately Flip isnt a good enough slasher. Doesnt pass well, isnt the greastest ballhandler, doesn't score over bigger defenders, and will probally set up for more spot up jumpers than he should at his not so good FG %.
Joe D, you are garbage this offseason(so far), and i say that with all due respect to you as our gm. I'd still wouldnt want any other guy running our team. but damn we are not contending with the west or the Heat probally. I applaud Joe's effort to get something done. Though the results arent really great additions IMO(i'm trying to give nazr a pass, but what i've seen from him against us says otherwise).
Either way i definately think we are a playoff team. but i thought we were w/o these two guys. in fact i dont think we improved where we rank in the east one bit with them. Hopefully they'll prove me wrong. I also hoped my worries about Flip's effect on this team and its identity wouldn't be too significant. Hoping sucks as of late.[smilie=grumble.gif]
Scoring responsibility was based around Ben as a 5th option. It was always Hamilton => Billups => Sheed => PrinceQuote:
Originally Posted by Higherwarrior
When 4 guys come up short, I laugh in the general direction of folks who want to point out Ben's offensive deficiencies.
And the perimeter defense is how the game is being manipulated by the refs. In this regard, Ben is a superior deterrent to finishing than Nazr Mohammed. It wasn't Ben being legislated out of the game. It was Rip and Tay's hand checking, and Lindsey's phone booth defense. Teams cannot keep Dwyane Wade out of the paint, making it that much more necessary to have a good defensive rebounder and shot blocker down low.
which is why i said our loss was not solely due to ben; our guys were tired out there and had dead legs.
but a large part was the fact the heat were able to double off of ben and that clogged up our whole offense and ball movement. flip should have found a way to make the heat pay for this, as LB would have but he didn't. so he too deserves blame.
but a large part of why our guys could not score was because they are not penetrators and ben did not need to be guarded which made everyone else easier to guard.
plus we could have moved the ball a little better if we weren't so worried they would foul ben and send him to the line.
Here is a Kstat Komedy Klassice from another board
It wouldn't have been okay to trade Ben if we weren't willing to pay to keep him but it's okay to trade Chauncey if we don't want to pay what it takes to keep him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
Straight on the Wilson payroll.
Yep, whatever you say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dickless Coward
BTW, if you'd like I can drag your posts here from other boards as well.
Greatest. Comeback. EVER.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Davidson's fisting bitch (come on Bill stick it in up to the elbow)