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Originally Posted by Gutz Gatsu
Gutz, I see where you are coming from and know from the past trying to get you to conceed that the sky is blue and grass is green is hard enough, so i will stop trying to get you to give a little on any basketball related topic since it will never happen .
Would you care to invite me to kill a random person so at least we can do something togther that is meaningful?
Cross, you sure found a GIF of that dunk fast enough......
And I'll be stealing it ^_^
And anyone trying to argue the merits of Joel P is suffering Post Ben Seperation Denial Syndrome
I'd ask the same question about pryzbilla. Maxiell is athletic, plays bigger than his height and is fearless. I say give him a shot. in fact i dont care sign pryz as long as he doesnt get major minutes. I can see pick and rolls for days on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cross
Teams ran pick and rolls with Zo and Shaq all game long too..... yet one of them was always in the game, and Miami still won the title.
Przybilla is a true center. Sheed would not last 82 games at that spot giving up 30-60 lbs per game.
Dice and his knee shouldnt be pushed any harder than they are at this stage, either. We need a starting center.
We also need someone with some SIZE that can't be backed down all the damn time. Sheed got beaten up inside by Ruben freaking Patterson. He's an excellent defender, but just not the bulk to play C for more than spot minutes.
And for the VERY last time, while Pryz isnt fast by any means, he has excellent lateral quickness for a guy his size. Side-to-side, he's above average.
Most definately, but its B.Y.O.K./G.(Bring your own knife/gun).Quote:
Originally Posted by JS
On a serious note i just never liked what i saw from pryz, dude was stiff as fuck and was mostly good for doing the "Zo" theory of standing around waiting to block a shot. I want an athletic big. pryz isnt starter material. on our bench i dont care if he goes there. but starting? no.
BYOK.lol
I see where your coming from. I wouldnt want Pryz starting, but it beats Dice starting at the 4 and Sheed at 5.
shaq=more athletic by far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
Zo=quicker by far.
But i'm sure its the same thing.[smilie=reporter.gi: :rolleyes:
Dude, saying shaq is quicker than ANYONE is just wrong. That's just hating on the kid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutz Gatsu
no it doesnt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cross
not pryz. believe that. and i said more athletic. i said zo was quicker and he is by far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
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Originally Posted by Gutz Gatsu
Actually, it does. It prevents every post player in the league from scoring 40 points on us, like they did last year, becasue we had no freaking size to push people out of the paint.
"more athletic" doesnt help him defend pick and rolls if it has nothing to do with his feet......Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutz Gatsu
He isn't a plodding stiff. That's simply not true. You don't block 2.5 shots playing only half the game without being athletic.
not really. i'd put my money on bosh, shaq, and every athletic big man in the league to school him. he can't recover once he gets beat. help out blocker. not one on one defender in the least bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
tell that to manute bol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
Uh, yeah. Bosh is a PF, not a C. And of course he's quicker, he's a special player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutz Gatsu
and BTW, nobody ever mistook Ben Wallace for a great one-on-one defender either. He didnt get beat often, but other centers backed him down and scored over the top of him a ton. His slaim to fame was as a basket protector, whis is EXACTLY what Joel is.
I'd also wager he guards shaq a ton better than Ben did. You dont need skill to guard shaq anymore, you simply need bulk.
So Ben wasnt covering guards on the perimeter when required? Yea lets see how that looks with pryz. But you're gonna spin every comparisom i give tonite as part of controlling the damage of replacing YOUR admitted most hated player on the team. So screw comparisoms. I'll just leave you with the Pryz i saw wasn't a starter quality player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
You are gonna be doing damage control all night i see. Have fun with it Chris Mckloskey. I hope they pay you well.:cool:
http://www.nba.com/statistics/player...Y&season=22005
Top 10 shot-blockers in the NBA. Apparently Pryzbilla, despite his plodding feet, was a better shot-blocker than Ben Wallace's very athletic feet last year....
and in per-48, Przybilla was #5 in the entire league.
Give the kid a chance if Dumars believes in him that much.
1.) he's not a kid. he's a vet :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
2.)You have the inside track on whether Joe Believes in him or is just grabbing whats available?
Maybe you are Chris.:eek: :rolleyes:
He's as much a vet as Ben was when we got him. A lot of years, not much chance to shine.Quote:
1.) he's not a kid. he's a vet
Do you think Joe believed in Ben, or was he just grabbing what was available?Quote:
2.)You have the inside track on whether Joe Believes in him or is just grabbing whats available?
I don't take Joe for an idiot.
HE IS NOT BEN. HE IS NOT UNIQUE OR OUT OF THE ORDINARY AT ALL. AND YOU HAVEN't COME CLOSE TO PROVING AS MUCH.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
Clear enough? you hang on to that excuse and its the lamest thing on earth. they arent in the same ballpark. But keep spinning until your head comes off your neck.
Either Joe thinks shit out, or he doesn't You can't say he put a lot of thought into aquiring Ben and then say he wasnt thinking when he went after Joel. It doesnt work that way.
I HAVE proven that Joel and Ben at age 26 were pretty much at identical points in their careers. You can re-write hsitory all you want, but the fact is nobody thought he was anything more than a decent role player.
Just maybe, oh I dunno, Joe Dumars might just know a little more about this shit?
Really? Getting jacked for Ben by Paxson and Skiles with nothing in return moved him a lot further down my idiot scale towards terminal retard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
Anyone who thinks Pryzbilla will be special based on numbers alone (1) doesn't play basketball, and (2) can't observe basketball.
Ben could switch on LeBron. Pryzbilla will crap his tighty whities the first time he gets trapped on the perimiter with Wade or LBJ. The dude makes the statue of Liberty look limber.
Instead of propping up a bunch of BS shot blocking #s, let's talk about how JP is almost 5 inches taller than Ben. Let's talk about about the fact he's played only 55% of the available games in the last 4 years. Let's talk about how he started only a quarter of his team's games, or half of what he played.
The last caucasian to win the DPOY was Mark Eaton. And JP reminds me of Jon Koncak.
The MLE for this bum is a joke.
This is a tough position that the Pistons are in. It might be best to think of it as "what is the best value they can get for the MLE".
Factor in that we need a center that can log minutes and defend the rim and I'd be okay with Pryz at the full MLE (rather give it to him than Banks, for sure) and someone is going to give him the whole MLE.
If nothing else he can be moved later, but it's all about acquiring assets right now IMO, gotta get back into a position of strength.
Maybe we can sign Pryz to the MLE and still get Bonzi via sign and trade? I don't have time to look at what we could send to Sacramento for Bonzi.
Having a DD/Pryz platoon might be about the best recovery that Joe D can pull off right about now.
Bag of Chips, Cato a pick and a note saying sorry we had to rape you but we needed Bonzi.
yea that would be real fucked up if i said that. Kstat your power of assumption is failing you for the millionth time. [smilie=blaha.gif]Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
You act like he picked Pryzbilla out of a great litter of FA Centers. the market is fucked at that position. he took all that he was gonna get. And the guy isnt a starter. Spin it whatever way you want, but he isnt. Doesnt make Joe an idiot. It makes you one if you keep putting words in my mouth :). Joe wasnt a genius to get Ben either, more words to put into my mouth. He was flat out lucky. Sometimes you get lucky. He's unlucky that ben is gone in a year when the best centers available are nazr and pryzbilla.
Oh, I observed him pretty damn well intimidating the shit out of us when Portland nearly beat us twice with that garbage roster.Quote:
Anyone who thinks Pryzbilla will be special based on numbers alone (1) doesn't play basketball, and (2) can't observe basketball.
Most overrated thing Ben's ever been known for.Quote:
Ben could switch on LeBron. Pryzbilla will crap his tighty whities the first time he gets trapped on the perimiter with Wade or LBJ. The dude makes the statue of Liberty look limber.
Yes, he switched out on guards, and they usually shot over him or drew a foul going by him.
But yes, Pryz will never even be able to switch out, which I guess makes every other center in the NBA a bum too.
As I said, somehow Joel's height would turn into a negative because Ben's so short.....Quote:
Instead of propping up a bunch of BS shot blocking #s, let's talk about how JP is almost 5 inches taller than Ben.
But you're right. 7-footers suck. We should only play 6'7" centers. Last time I checked, there wasn't a handicap in the NBA for being short.
...and if we marched to that tune, we wouldnt have chauncey, Dice or rip right now either.Quote:
Let's talk about about the fact he's played only 55% of the available games in the last 4 years.
...and the clincher.Quote:
The last caucasian to win the DPOY was Mark Eaton. And JP reminds me of Jon Koncak.
OMG HE'S WHITE! WE CANT SIGN A WHITE CENTER! NOOOOOO!
that'll work if cato was ever thinking about being a part of it. which he probally wont. nobody is trying to do us favors these days. Wheres danny ainge when you need him for a trade. Zeke too.Quote:
Originally Posted by JS
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Originally Posted by themicrowave
My Favorite line of the night, regardless of how I feel about Pryz.
As long as you're willing to admit you said the same thing about Ben in 2000, i'm ok with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutz Gatsu
And if you tell me what ben was somehow more qualified to start than joel is now at the same age, you're lying through your teeth.
Microwave when you read Kstats posts. Remember he's a Ben Hater from day one. That'll help you find logic to these weak arguments he makes against him and for any replacement for him.:cool:
You know what would be cool?
If you guys would just drop he lame personal attacks so those of us that are trying to discuss possible solutions and ideas don't have to sift through the bullshit to get to the valuable discussion.
I'm sure you won't, but I thought I'd ask anyways.
Nobody here is 100% right or wrong, so why not quit trying to pin things on each other?
as long as you are willing to admit they arent the same player and its not the same scenario at all.. Ben was a fan favorite and consistent role player off the bench. Consistent is the last thing you'll hear about pryzbilla.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
So GD do yo think the bag of chips was too much in the deal for Bonzi?
Seriously though there is no objective right or wrong answer to the problem only options that we can discussm no reason to make it personal.
Deal breaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by JS
Maybe Joe can scrounge up some of Stack's old gummy bears?
Here's the thing about Przybilla:
6 points, 7 boards and 2.3 blocks in 24 minutes for a team that had no clue how to play basketball.
I think in 30-32 minutes on the Pistons, he could get 10/10/3.
Is a 10-10-3 center worth the MLE? I think that's the question.
Obviously, you'd be paying for the shot-blocking first, but keep in mind this guy has had some monster rebound games as well. No, he wouldn't be a scorer, but we dont' need one in the starting 5, we need one off the bench.
That's my case for him, anyhow.
Ummm showing up for 81 games and 8 rebounds per game off the bench is already more qualified. Should i add the almost a steal a game he was averaging off the bench too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
lying through your teeth would be calling this a legitimate replacement pickup for an overrated player who only deserved 7 million a year..[smilie=burgerking.:
Pryzbilla played 50 + games. Not all that reliable that he sustains any numbers for an 82 game season..
kstat, you missed my point altogether. I'm not saying Pryzbilla's height is somehow a negative, what I am saying is that his #s are comparable to Ben's AND HE HAS A MASSIVE PHYSICAL ADVANTAGE.
Not to mention that when Ben played in Orlando, he wasn't playing with Zach Randolph or being backed up by the Rattler.
Ben was one of the few PFs who could play Center at a high level. Pryzbilla is a center who can only play Center at a somewhat ok level.
Bottom line, Pryzbilla is scrub-a-licious and JMax will eat him for breakfast, floss with Tayshaun's right arm and drink all of Flip's KoolAid on the first morning of training camp. And the $5 million dollars will be wasted on the Minnesota version of the Inflatable Defender aka the Robotic Pretender.
@ Glenn - sorry to sully your board. Honestly, not my style, I just come to see what the big kids are writing about and I keep running across PapSmear and he's driving me bananas. He's the Steve Urkel of Ben Hate.
@ Gutz - thanks for the heads up. I can spot a hater from a mile away. They're never wrong, and even less frequently right.
I'm out. Peace to all my baby mamas's.
And you're missing my point. They play the same position, so height doesn't come into play. Either Ben can do the job or he can't. This isnt a pity contest for ben because he;s 6-7.Quote:
Originally Posted by themicrowave
http://www.oregonlive.com/weblogs/blazersoregonian/
Apparently, the Spurs also want him too to be their center. They must be idiots also.
THe good news is, we'll know by the end of today.Quote:
4th of July Fireworks
The 4th of July figures to be a big day for the Blazers.
Free agent center Joel Przybilla is expected to make a decision where he will play on Tuesday, and it appears to be between Detroit, Portland and San Antonio.
Przybilla and his agent, Bill Duffy, had a teleconference at 9 p.m. Monday night to discuss an offer made by the Pistons, who aggressively pursued Przybilla after Ben Wallace left Detroit for Chicago on Monday.
Neither Przybilla nor Duffy returned calls after their meeting.
However, I did speak with Blazers president Steve Patterson at about 10 p.m., and Patterson wasn't ready to concede defeat. He said the Blazers have "put their best foot forward", which has included an offer to Przybilla of five years worth an estimated $30 million. The Pistons and Spurs are in roughly the same boat as the Blazers - only able to offer the midlevel exception - but the Blazers can give Joel 10.5 percent raises per season, while the other teams can give only 8.5 percent raises.
At any rate, Patterson said the Blazers have already begun their homework on free agent centers given the chance Przybilla bolts. Among the group the Blazers have talked to: Miami's Alonzo Mourning, New Jersey's Jarron Collins and San Antonio's Nazr Mohammed.
Sorry I couldn't give you more information on the Duffy-Przybilla conference ... will try again tomorrow.
Quick
You're welcome here anytime.Quote:
Originally Posted by themicrowave
FWIW, I think Pryz would be crazy to stay in Portland. He's being handed a golden ticket out of that mess.