Banks was originally part of the trade for Gary Payton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taymelo
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Banks was originally part of the trade for Gary Payton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taymelo
GD - I'm not super high on Banks.
I just see a young guy that hasn't really been given a real chance to shine (until he started in Minny)
The guy can play D, is quick and obviously has some balls.
Offer him the MLE.
Worst Case Scenario for Us? Minny matches it and is fucked salary wise at PG for the next 5 years. (Jaric expires in 2011! and they have Hudson until 2010 if memory serves)
If they don't match we get him. He'd be the back-up PG we need, plus he's insurance if Billups gets stupid with his contract demands.
I doubt that happens, so here's what I was thinking:
Delfino/Evans are coming to the end of their contracts soon.
If we lose both (or don't want to keep them) we'd still have Banks, Billups and Rip at G.
Nice 3-guard rotation.
It's not like we're paying a truckload of money for a bum.
Oh, if you hate Banks you might consider full MLE a waste of money, I guess.
http://img416.imageshack.us/img416/8...salpaca0jm.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
FWIW there is a small chance that Cato could come back. A lot of that has to do with Ben, DD and the Market. Joe would be willing to give him DD money if Ben is moved or leaves or if DD is traded.
Although the hang up may be that Cato is being told he is an MLE player by those close to him.
No link or source beyond my own sorry, I am posting it though because teams have called about DD.
Joe should left them both go (DD and Cato). Though DD only if he gets something for him.
I wouldn't be opposed to being back Cato if we moved Davis in a package.
He'd be that big body that sits on the bench while Flip looks the other way.
My cousin is 6'8" and weighs approx 250 pounds.
If Joe signs him for the minimum I'll help him wave the towel for free!
With Evans being moved for a pick and a 1.5 million dollar TE, we also have a TE from the Cato deal of about 600-800k look for Detroit to call PHX about James Jones who PHX wants to dump for space. The TE's can be waived to clear space so it makes sense for both sides.
James Jones, Defino and Dice are nice foundation, it allows us to either get another Big to help with post scoring and rebounding or to use it to land a PG.
Insider info? speculation?Quote:
Originally Posted by JS
James Jones is interesting. On paper he's a good fit. Legit SF size and can stretch the D, but he has issues with confidence. He goes through weeks at a time where he can't buy a bucket. Even with the wide open looks he got in Phoenix. I'd bring him in if that were the deal though. We don't have to touch the MLE or LLE and we still get some insurance at SF. It worries me that he seems pretty similar to Evans though. A shooter and not much else. He had a great start to the season and then the bottom just fell out.
Somewhat, Phx is looking to clear a little cash, Detroit wanted Jones last season but Indy would have matched the offer we made. Jones wanted to come here, he liked the situation. The three teams who were in the running last season were SA, Detroit and PHX.
From what I heard Joe likes JJ and had limited talks with PHX on draft day, but PHX did not want Evans or anyone back. So now that we have the TE to make a deal it seems to make sense.
OK... Just noticed an AZ republic article printed today....Quote:
Originally Posted by JS
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...0suns0630.html
Still a possibility though, I'm guessing. You never know what could happen.Quote:
The possibility of James Jones being dealt this summer for monetary reasons seems far more doubtful now that the Suns did not land the swingman that they desired in Wednesday's draft - namely Thabo Sefolosha, but also Rodney Carney or Ronnie Brewer. It also squelched Marion trade talks, which got hot this month.
Most Trade Exceptions cannot be combined, though.
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#72
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If a team has Traded Player exceptions from two previous non-simultaneous trades, then they can't combine them into one big Traded Player exception. For example, suppose in the last year a team traded a $5 million player for a $4 million player (generating a $1.1 million Traded Player exception) and separately traded a $3 million player for a $1 million player (generating a $2.1 million Traded Player exception). They cannot now combine the two into a $3.2 million Traded Player exception).
Maybe we can send Acker or a non guarenteed deal to PHX.
I am in complete agreement about offering Banks the MLE. I think we all have to consider the financial constraints that Joe D has to work with in Bill Davidson's salary cap demands. This would give us a great backup, plenty of rest for Billups, time for him to play off guard as well, and leverage when CBill is a free agent. Believe me, it will be nice to have a seasoned vet on the roster if CBill gets Arn Tellem to play chicken with us. Besides, I think that Banks and Delfino would make a great bench combo. I also like Dice in their as well, but I am still going to be concerned with our depth at C. Maybe using the BAE on a one year player so that we can combine his salary with Dale Davis at the trade deadline...
I think Marcus Banks might very well be our worst MLE signing ever if we pay him that much.
The guy is simply not worth $5 million to be a backup PG for 15 minutes a game.
He's not even worth $3 million.
Stab in the dark idea if Arn Tellem says Ben is going to leave.
S&T Ben (13-14 mill starting) to Memphis for Mike Miller (7.5), Stro Swift (5.4 mill) (just acquired from Houston), and Jake Tsakalidis (2.9 mill expiring deal). We would get our depth at guard, let Swift compete in the frontcourt with Dice, and use Dale Davis, and big Jake as a lure to get someone else to help at the trade deadline. Add in the that we would still be able to use the MLE.
Memphis would have to look at this deal if they could start Ben, Gasol, Gay, Jones, and Stoudamire.
I don't think Stro could be traded. could he?
I don't even think the Gay to Memphis trade is official yet, so why not?
But once that Gay trade is official I don't think Swift can be packaged for a certain period of time.
And maybe Banks isn't the greatest option at back-up PG, but if we sign a SG/SF then what becomes of Amir and Delfino?
We'd roadblock them for the next 4 years, meaning we likely lose one (if not both) players when their deals run out.
And if we offered Banks $3mil the Wolves would match. Actually, he wouldn't even sign that, since he's likely to get more money elsewhere.
We'd have to pay him market value, or go after someone else like Claxton.
Unless you want the SG/SF, then we're talking about a whole different group of players (that doesn't include Wells cause he'll get more than the MLE IMO)
The same teams that can bid on Ben can bid on Bonzi. All of the contenders except Chicago if you consider them one are all stuck with using the MLE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pharaoh
Bonzi will go where he wants to go, not for money IMO. Chicago has bigger needs than a $7+ million swingman, and the other teams are :eek:[smilie=sad3.gif][smilie=sayitaintso:[smilie=dissed.gif].
And yes, getting Bonzi is the kiss of death for Delfino. He couldn't beat out Mo, he ain't gunna beat out a $5 million dollar Wells.
Bonzi will go where the money is.
Bonzi's optionsa:
Go to a shitty team for big money
or
Do a sign and trade with Sacramento for more than the MLE to a team of his choice
or
Stay with the Kings for more than the MLE.
In terms of Stro, isn't there a 24-48 hour window where in which a player can be moved without restrictions with other players after being dealt in a seperate trade? Also techinically if the deal is not done yet we still could get in on the Memphis end and they could call it a three tean deal instead of two trades.
Well, if its true that we are going to land Przbilla for the MLE, then I hope Joe either S&Ts Cato, or resigns him so that we can move Dale + Cato at the deadline.
Let's hope there is a market for Cato if there is he is our only hope to S&T. Ben gone we now have some huge holes.
Well as funny as this may seem. We really should consider one of two things. I wouldn't mind and S&T of Prz for Cato. Then we could still use the MLE. Portland probably will need a C now. I also wouldn't mind a Cato for Wells swap, but there isn't really much incentive for Sac on that one. Of course Al Harrington would rule
I wonder if Boozer is available.
What I do know is that our picks for 2006 should be sacred.
Pryz for Cato.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG BEN'S FRO
Wells for MLE.
Get Brown in S+T for Ben.
Davis and change for Earl Watson.
Then we aren't completely fucked. We could actually be OK.
As I posted in another thread, why would Chicago help us do that?
To drop Chandler's contract. They could sign Wilcox, Harrington, whomever, if they drop his contract, but if they don't, then they are stuck with him and a player at about 1.5 mil a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG BEN'S FRO
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Originally Posted by detroitsportscity
THey're going to drop Chandler's contract anyway to new orleans for PJ Brown.
I really doubt Cato has any value to our team at all, as a matter of fact, to any team at all. his contract expired which makes him even more useless.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG BEN'S FRO
Portland has Raef LaFrentz and Aldridge who could make a solid big man rotation. Actually I take that back but I'm sure Portland doesnt need Cato any more than we do.
Which is better for them long term I guess, but still prevents them from doing anything this year in FA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
The question should be would Cato agree to a small deal like 1 year 8 million to be a pawn? I think he could but might want to be used either. Too bad Houston dealt Swift, Cato and Houston liked each other it might have worked.
IF Bonzi's already told us no, then yes, he's better than anyone else out there.
it will be interesting to see how much Bonzi gets
We don't have anything else to trade but I'd love to get Bonzi some how
Cato is worthless, fat garbage.
At this stage, I still really think that Joe D should pursue Al Harrington pretty hard. Basically tell him that Sheed will start at C, regardless of what they do with Nazr. He is said to be looking at 10 mill starting, is 26, and has a good overall game to play both forward spots. I say that we should let that future belong to Tay, Al, and Amir if he can. Moving Dice and Dale is enough to get the deal done. Dice will likely opt out next year and sign with someone for the MLE next season anyway. Atlanta would actually probably like to add 2 quality bigmen to their roster, a bunch of toughness to add to Shelden and Marvin Williams, AND all expiring contracts. We would resign Cato as a backup for a season.
The part of this trade that I like would be that we would have Sheed's replacement at PF already, and that he would be in prime when Sheed's deal expired. We would also then be able to move Sheed a season earlier when he had an expiring deal.
...and Atlanta accepts Dale+Dice because......
I'm sure Atlanta can get better from Indiana.
But they all play the 3...except Al can play a bit of 4.Quote:
I say that we should let that future belong to Tay, Al, and Amir if he can.
We can't get Al now. We dont have anything they would want. Throw Sheed back to ATL? Nah thats not happening.
Via Sportsillustrated.Quote:
Detroit expects to add one more free agent this offseason -- paying a player about $1 million next season with its biannual exception -- and might look to bring in a wing player to come off the bench to give shooting guard Richard Hamilton and small forward Tayshaun Prince more of a break than they've had in recent years.
Who would that be?
for $1M, maybe they can sign Air Up There, in your sig....Quote:
Originally Posted by Cross