Obv you didn't fully get the joke lol. I was poking fun at how it's being handled by the VIPs, not stating my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe
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Obv you didn't fully get the joke lol. I was poking fun at how it's being handled by the VIPs, not stating my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe
^ oh. I'm slow like that.
A good read, Gee, re the politics of cutting spending on the GOP side.
http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/20...mixed-messages
Thanks Tahoe. Hoping the Tea Party can hold the line there. See if the 3rd party emerges in some states.
Well, that one was as bad as the first was good. So you're even, which isn't bad for you in this forum.
^ I didn't read it. Should I? Sounds like no. I just like to post Rove stuff everytime I see it, cuz he's a pretty big hit around here.
just rhetoric.
That first one is a good piece.
WTFChris disagrees.
Yes, it was a good read. I thought it was very realistic in describing the catch-22s of deficit reduction in an general kind of way. I kind of wish it had gone on to discuss the consequences of making deficit reduction top priority right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe
Going after deficits has benefits and it also has real economic and human costs. In the run-up to a war on deficits I want the hawks selling that war to the public to honestly acknowledge those costs. All I hear is a lot of rosy talk about how we'll be greeted as liberators from the oppression of government deficits with no exit strategy from the downturn.
rove;dr
Barry said that he'd listened to entitlement cuts from the GOP. LOL. yeah right.
lol@opinion polls.
^ as long as they disagree with you.
But holy moly 27%. Yikes. Wow. I mean...thats, wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by geerussell
But he says Iraq is doing well.
The only thing opinion polls tell you is whose marketing has done the best lately.
Here is more on pensions, that you won't hear from Chris cuz its not an evil corporation.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BAD91HJ22F.DTL
shit should be criminal to rip off taxpayers like this.
Voters passed the 2002 amendment that created that super-sweet pension plan for SF cops, Tahoe.
It's likely that a sizable hunk of those pension dollars were contributed by the police officers directly. Those pensions are instead of Social Security. Note there's many bigger cities where the pension plans (even if they lost money) are far better managed/invested than the city as a whole precisely because the cops have their own money in the game and no alternative. Often, the cities try to take the pension dollars to make up for other shortcomings. I don't know the specifics of how the SF police pension fund is structured, but you want to be aware of how it's structured before deciding who's ripping off who.
Did you read it all? It's not just cops. And I said 'should be criminal' for a reason, cuz its legal and crazy as hell.
A BART worker who gets paid 150k a year, inflates his final year's pay by saving up sick leave, vacay pay, etc cuz he/she knows their pensions are based off of the final year's compensation. That shit should be criminal.
I don't get that some of y'all think there is this endless stream of taxpayer money.
As I said, its not a corporation, so we won't hear anything from the left on it. Its just when private sector peeps make money thats so obscene.
I can get a rage on over public sector waste, fraud and abuse just like the next guy. Yes, it's awful. Terrible. Etc. Every time an instance where people fluff their final year to bloat a pension or otherwise game the system the system should be reviewed and amended to prevent that kind of behavior in the future and if they broke the law to do it, let them serve time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe
Howeva, that rage is a raised eyebrow compared to what has happened in the private sector. That is the shit that turns me into a mushroom cloud layin mothafucka. Individual people made hundreds of millions to billions, companies made billions upon billions making heads-they-win-tails-you-lose bets. When their bets went bad, it blew up the whole fucking economy and who made good on it? Who made sure the gamblers got paid in full? The taxpayers. The same 'hardworking peeps' you profess to care so much about got taken for the biggest ride in history. All with no prosecutions and no handcuffs. Now they're just reloaded, bailed out with an even bigger too big to fail gun to the head of the economy.
So yeah, some people gaming the pension system is offensive but it's penny ante compared to the people who blew up the economy and looted the nation.
That's strong stuff.
Since you said "Here is more on pensions", I presumed pensions was your focus. The "base pay" issues are a different issue. The part that the article doesn't say is that usually, a big-city police chief is not promoted from within the ranks, but was a chief or captain from some other smaller area. So they're often getting two or more pensions, with the second pension often being for only a few years work as chief. It does allude to the gimmick where one retires then come back as a contractor, but doesn't flat-out say they're getting a pension along with the contractor dollars. The issue there is that, past a certain point, an old pension-class person is working only for the difference between their pension and their pay which may not be a whole heckuva lot. So they threaten to retire, but they're still needed because they've been around the block awhile and know where assorted bodies are buried, and get paid. There's also the "acting" chiefs who don't want to be administratively labeled as real chiefs because they want to remain in the police officers union for a set number of years to maximize benefits. Fun stuff.
Obama made sure the taxpayers paid, correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by geerussell
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Originally Posted by Uncle Mxy
Public pensions are just another area that needs to be fixed. It's not the only one though.
It all needs to be fixed so peeps feel like they can pay their taxes and that those taxes go to something meaningful. Isn't that sweet.
rt: 47% of the peeps in the US don't pay taxes? Holy shit. Obama will prolly get elected with that 47%.
Yes, and no. The nature of the system made sure the taxpayers paid. That failure is on the last thirty years of bi-partisan easy money and dismantling of regulation creating an environment where it was understood by all involved that no matter what you did, how much risk you took, the taxpayers would absorb the downside.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe
Obama's failure is in squandering the opportunity to defuse the situation before the next blowup. There was a window of political opportunity where anything was possible. Reform and regulation with teeth, breaking up the too big to fails, decoupling traditional banking from the casino and in general bringing the financial sector to heel in a way that ensures a bank failure isn't a global crisis. Instead he punted, following the advice of the same jackwagons who set up the house of cards to being with. When it blows up again it's gonna be on Barry.
Ending ethanol subsidies isn't exactly "cutting redundant programs", though I'm all for it. 44 job training programs doesn't really sound like a lot. That's not exactly something that screams "one size fits all".
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I guess its 200billion over 10 years. Only a fool wouldn't want to look into this.
Republicans in the house should be paid twice what they usually make for doing the work the disarray Dems didn't do last year. First Repubs have to pass a budget for last year. And Repubs have to put up next years budget in a couple of weeks.
Amazing how those dead beat dems actually got paid last year.
Pulease... who da fuck got us in this mess in the first place... they're trying to fix what the GOP destroyed... with no help, cause the GOP is more about "the party line" than working as a team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe
Uhm, the debt increased dramatically under Pelosi. Thats what the GOP is trying to straighten out. Republicans spent too though.
But the Dems didn't do a budget last year. Thats my point. And now they have to cut spending to mitigate the damage the Dems caused with Pelosi.
QE2 stops in July or something... :shitstorm:
With Pelosi being single-handedly responsible for launching two wars, TARP and the Bush tax cuts nearly the entire deficit comes back to her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe
We already went over how ridiculous your little "no budget" campaign is. Almost every year is filled with continuing resolutions.
And politicians are already paid twice. Once from their government salary and once in campaign contributions from lobbyists.
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Originally Posted by Fool
Utter bullshit.
Tax cuts helped keep the country from sinking further. Even your Messiah said that. TARP sucks. Hard call. Your Messiah also said Afghanistan is the right war. And some peeps think Iraq was the right war.Quote:
Originally Posted by geerussell
Barry should quit spending money, I think almost 5 trillion added to the debt in 2 years. And he plans on adding another 10 trillion in over the next 8 years? I think thats what he has planned.
So you agree then that "undoing the damage done by pelosi" has little bearing on the major items that contribute to it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe
The major items that contributed to it has been years of waste and mostly the Dems spending habbits. The Repubs stopped another Trillion dollar ominibus during the lame duck.