THERE IS STILL HOPEQuote:
Originally Posted by Adrian W. @Yahoo!
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THERE IS STILL HOPEQuote:
Originally Posted by Adrian W. @Yahoo!
for a lesser coach? yep.
Nevermind, Mannix from SI says it's official.
i can't say i'm overly excited but i definitely wasn't excited about johnson either. he's not worth what he wanted IMO and i'm still not convinced he's the coach some think he is.
i don't mind having an experienced assistant who can mold this team into what we want it to be.
he's definitely an upgrade on curry, although that's not saying much. but i think he can be a decent coach for us at the least.
sexy pick? no. but i ain't mad about it. we have much bigger fish to fry.
My main worry with Avery was how he handled Devin Harris. He couldn't develop him properly and then gave up on him entirely.
JOE DUMARS IS KING
lol
I say....what I say?
basically, i just want a coach who doesn't screw things up. that's often all that's required of nba coaches. ok, so i'm exagerating. but nba coaches IMO do not directly factor into their team's success near as much as, say, an NFL coach.
so i don't think we need some 'elite' coach, especially with the group we're putting together now. we just need someone smart enough to let our kids develop and to manage their personalities and their minutes, while keeping them motivated. that's not to say it's an easy task; but it's not like there is a severe shortage of guys who can be successful at it.
JMO
It was Mahorn who primarily coached the D for the Shock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gl'enn
He had to do something.
Couldn't coach o
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Originally Posted by Joe Dumars
I think there's a big difference in coaching experience between Kuester & MC... after retiring Curry wasn't even close to game strategies... he was in the league office.
I like the fct that he was with LB for a while.
Everyone knows he was the Cavs real HC the last couple years.
If cosmicpimpjuice loves it, I might have to reconsider.
Whats this cats first name, I wonder?
is Kuester a panic move? usually Dumars has a coach in place when he fires the old ones...now he fires Curry 1 day before FreeAgency begins because Gordon and Villa wont sign if we had Curry in place, lol? clearly he wanted Collins,too bad...he did give himself just 1 week time, not much time for interviews, he wasted most of the time for Avery...
John? I think I'd like him more if he spelled it Jon or Jhon or something et al.
John is how a real man spells it.
Who did these poll choices?
Prediction...he's going to be boring. Problem is that its ok if you are a boring coach if you have talent. I'm not convinced thats the case here.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDB
Also, obviously Joe didn't want to give up the power Avery wanted.
i don't think he really would've been giving up any true 'power'. but why should he anyway? how many championship contending teams has avery johnson built?
joe was going to have the final say, regardless. i think there were a number of things they disagreed on, with money being one of them for sure too.
there's no way i'd want to pay avery johnson $20 mil to coach this team. he's simply not that kind of coach IMO.
I don't think Joe fired Curry because Gordon and Villanueva wouldn't sign. I'd assume he was making calls and weighing options. Even if he did, he's already got those guys agreed to terms. Why does he have to panic and hire a coach now? He'd have plenty of time to conduct a full search if he wasn't satisfied with Kuester. No reason to settle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Asberry
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Originally Posted by Zekyl
Vegas Summer League, its VERY important.
Our Coach is Who?
I picked the wrong freakin' time to quit swearing.
Yes, he's better than Curry. But I'm a better Coach than Curry. No way should Joe hire me for 2 years with a 3rd at the team's option and then pay me a couple of mil as well!
I got my pre-game speeches all worked out. Have you seen Any Given Sunday? Pacino? The "Inches" bit? Make it about basketball! That's my pre-game speech, every freakin' night.
I think we hired this dude cause it hurts the Cavs. I think we signed Gordon to hurt the Bulls. I think we signed Charlie to hurt the Bucks (Andrew Bogut...represent boi) and ...
We need a freakin' big man.
Get one of them before you sign some random assistant.
And Kstat - stop being a shill for the Pistons.
All the way back on page 1 you had this exchange with Wilfredo Ledezma.
Wilbur posted:Natural Born Shiller replied:Quote:
I'm not too high on Kuester--apparently he's regarded as an 'offensive' coach, but Cleveland seems to have been one of the most offensively disoriented teams in the league the last few years.
So, um... let's get this straight:Quote:
He wasn't a part of that staff a few years ago. He was brought on in 2007 and given the reigns of total offensive control in 2008.
John Boy wasn't at the Cavs the last few years
He only joined them in 2007. He's been there the last "couple" of years.
Not the last few - just the last couple.
Am I right, Al Shillgton?
BTW, #30 made me lol
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Why Avery Johnson didn't get the job
By VINCE ELLIS • FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER • July 8, 2009
In less than 48 hours, Avery Johnson went from likely becoming the Pistons' next coach to giving interviews explaining why he will be returning to an analyst's chair at ESPN for a second season.
All signs now point to the Pistons settling on their third choice -- Cavaliers assistant John Kuester -- to replace Michael Curry, who was fired last week after one season.
Which left us to wonder what happened to Johnson.
In an interview on ESPN, Johnson spoke of extensive talks with the Pistons as recently as Sunday, but he declined to say how close the two sides were.
"At the end of the day, we just couldn't make it work, and both sides decided to just go in different directions," Johnson said. "It gave me the opportunity to stay at ESPN ... and it gave them an opportunity to continue to search for a new coach."
But a person with personal knowledge of the situation said that Johnson believed he was going to be the Pistons' next coach after meeting with Joe Dumars, the Pistons' president of basketball operations, in Houston.
In fact, the person said Dumars told Johnson he was his guy.
But with Johnson seeking a four-year deal worth between $4 million and $5 million a season, the two sides couldn't come to an agreement. And the money wasn't the only issue, as the length of the deal also was a bone of contention.
The source said the Pistons offered a two-year deal with an option for a third year -- what Kuester is expected to receive.
The Dallas Mavericks fired Johnson after the 2007-08 season and owe him $8 million over the next two seasons. It is believed that he would forfeit all or most of that money if he took another job. Under the circumstances, Johnson apparently felt it prudent to remain an analyst for ESPN.
It's telling that the length of Kuester's deal is similar to what Johnson was offered. Kuester, although a veteran of two decades on the NBA sidelines, will be a first-time NBA head coach. Johnson, on the other hand, compiled a winning percentage of .735 as coach of the Mavericks and was two victories from an NBA title in 2006.
That part stings.Quote:
Kuester, although a veteran of two decades on the NBA sidelines, will be a first-time NBA head coach. Johnson, on the other hand, compiled a winning percentage of .735 as coach of the Mavericks and was two victories from an NBA title in 2006.
I don't think this is "BREAKING NEWS" anymore.
On the bright side, Kuester has yet to under-develop and cast off a young all-star point guard, and he has yet to get blasted out of the first round once, let alone back-to-back seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zekyl
On the dull side, Kuester has yet to show any capability to develop any talent or be a head coach. He has never gotten a team into the playoffs, even if it meant losing in the first round, let alone sniffed taking a team to the finals. His career winning percentage is .000.
I can throw out facts, too. Not saying I'm against the hiring, but you didn't seem to have a problem with Avery Johnson before he left the running.
yeah, I didn't. I did worry a lot about how he could handle stuckey, but I liked his track record on the defensive end.
Keuster has proven a lot, but yes he has never been an NBA head coach. if any assistant in the entire league is ready though, it's him. He was the pseudo-head coach of the Cavs last season. he was already doign a lot of things the head coach usually does.
Were you the one saying "if anyone is ready, its Thibodeaux" 3 days ago? I can't remember.
I said I'd prefer thibodeax, because he's a defensive coach.
Keuster I can live with also. He's proven a lot, just on the other end of the floor.
It's possible Joe felt Keuster was more ready to be a head coach. Who knows.
We need to archive this thread. Its got everything that makes WTF great. And Glan too.
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Originally Posted by Adrian W.
So why aren't you questioing why Thibodeax didn't get more consideration?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
Why are you praising the choice of Keuster when you prefer someone else?
This is why I called you a shill.
You wanted Thibodeax or JVG or someone other than who we got.
Yet I feel like you're selling Keuster to me. And I hate it.
I wish I had made that post. It's that good.
Exactly what I was trying to get at. Thanks for putting it better than I did.
We're on fire tonight boys, but it's after midnight for me and I gotta jet.
I wonder how long it will be before Kstat replies to my post?
btw, is it "Q-ster" or "Kester"?
The Pistons broadcasters always called him "Kester" but now everything that I hear is "Q-ster"?
I'm guessing it is Q, since his nickname seems to be "Que".