Pharaoh I like the way you think man!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pharaoh
Pharaoh I like the way you think man!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pharaoh
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Jim (Chicago): How much more proof do the Pistons need that Curry must go? What are we waiting for? Promote Cowens.
Langlois: This one is pushing the boundaries of rational. We’ve gotten a smattering of “fire the coach” submissions lately – to be expected any time a team that’s strung together seven straight 50-win seasons starts experiences growing pains. But Joe Dumars understands that the push for change was his initiative and that the change he handed Curry – trading the point guard who grew up with the pieces around him over six seasons and turning the team over to a 22-year-old with stardom in his future – was a magnitude 10. Has Curry made some rookie coaching mistakes? Sure – every first-time head coach does. But there has been nothing out of line with expectations – and nothing that would tempt Joe D to make a change at that position.
wow
I am going to go vomit.
The first year coach argument holds no water when you consider Rick Carlisle won 50 games his first year with a rotation of:
Chucky Atkins, Jerry Stackhouse, Michael Curry (oh the irony), Ben Wallace, Cliff Robinson, Corliss Williamson, Jon Barry, Zeljko Rebraca, Damon Jones
while Curry will lose 45 games with a rotation of:
Rodney Stuckey, Allen Iverson, Tayshaun Prince, Antonio McDyess, Rasheed Wallace, Rip Hamilton, Jason Maxiell, Arron Afflalo, Amir Johnson.
^ oooooooooh baby thats a good post.
Thanks!!! I even got my question answered in Stein's chat today (Matt from Cincinnati). Banner day for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe
http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=25188
ANOTHER FUCKING OHIO POSTER? DAMN IT!
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Originally Posted by Matt
There are several, as in many, coaches that would prolly love to coach this team.Quote:
Marc Stein: You are certainly not the first to voice that opinion. Curry has generated some pretty lukewarm reviews. But you can also make the case that judging him on this season alone isn't the fairest. Joe D knew this season had the potential to be very, very painful. I know it's a shock to the system for most Pistons fans, but I still think you'll be happier going forward with that flexibility to make changes than you would have been keeping Chauncey and losing in the second round or the East finals again. That team, as constituted, was no better than No. 4 in the East. Maybe No. 3 on experience.
I agree completely with the second part of his response. My point (as well as several others) is that this team should be a 4 or 5 seed with a decent coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe
I do too.
While I also agree, this team is still better than it is (if that's possible, sound right?). Joe D is not psychic, and I don't blame him for that... but if Flip was the offensive mastermind, then when you get down to it he fired Flip months before getting AI. Like I said, he isn't psychic... but my thought at the time was, even though I wasn't 100% happy, I did not see improvement in any possibility that included firing Flip. He at least maintained the expectations around here, rather than leaving a streak down the bottom of the toilet.
And many people on this site hated Flip and wanted him fired.
Be careful what you wish for.
Personally I still wish we hired Nate McMillan when we had the chance.
I am still happy we fired Flip.
The new guy not being better doesn't mean it was bad to get rid of the old guy.
I realise that, but we all should have appreciated the fact things could have been a lot worse under Flip, LB and Carlisle.
I think in the beginning we all were just surprised we had finally reached the 2nd round. Once we got past that to the ECF the shit was on.
But I don't recall any threads titled: "Enjoy It While It Lasts" or shit like that.
And I know I didn;t enjoy it. I was always tinkiering with the team, looking at draft picks, questioning this player/coach or whatever. And when I got bored tinkering with the Pistons I'd start on the Raptors or some other shit team.
I didn't really settle and enjoy the ride. Which sucks...
From one of the Toronto papers
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Curry in Detroit hot seat
By FRANK ZICARELLI
Last Updated: 24th February 2009, 1:40am
The hot seat isn't new to Michael Curry, a self-made player who persevered through a lot of tough times.
But times are not good in Detroit and many are beginning to wonder about Curry's future with the Pistons.
The team is reeling and when things go south the finger of blame gets pointed at the head coach.
Entering tonight's game in South Beach, the Pistons have done little of late to suggest they're about to turn the corner.
With six successive losses amid growing frustration, Curry can only hope the team's veteran core will somehow find a way to rally in time to salvage the season.
"This is a tough time," Curry said about a team that has gone 2-8 in its past 10 games to drop to 27-27 for the season.
"The first time they're experiencing tough times in the regular season. But whenever you get to that point and it gets really, really tough, you've got to work that much harder and trust each other that much more."
The early season trade that saw Chauncey Billups head to Denver for Allen Iverson has been an unmitigated disaster.
Observers who watch the Pistons, a team that once embodied selflessness, see a team in disarray with no true identity.
By the time they return from a five-game road trip, the Pistons might find themselves out of the playoffs.
As fate would have it, the team's next home date is March 3 against Billups and the Nuggets.
Curry and Terry Porter served as assistants in Detroit under Flip Saunders.
When Saunders was released, Curry was promoted, while Porter replaced Mike D'Antoni in Phoenix.
Both the Pistons and Suns were coming off 50-win seasons.
Porter was shown the door last week.
Until the Pistons rediscover their pulse and purpose, talk of Curry being in over his head will only intensify.
I just can't fathom how this guy still has a job.
Joe D has proven to be very "give him a solid chance" with his coaches. Like the article suggests in the leadership thread, we'll probably go after some key FA's, dump that ballhogging fuck Ivo, and see what he can do next year with a front court and w/o iverson.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoTown
Agreed. Sometimes you can over do the "direct correlation" idea when you equate our situation to anything that happened in firing Flip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fool
Tell that to Rick Carlisle and George Irvine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Codename V
I'm not sure he hasn't already gotten a solid chance. This isn't the best team in the NBA, but it is definitely top 10 IMO. They are vastly under performing at this point, but in terms of talent and experience there is no reason they shouldn't be in the top 7-10 teams.
Sure, there are flaws in the makeup of this team, but they aren't a drastically flawed team. Their downfalls are more about the way they are playing than lacking something on their team.
How can you say that Curry hasn't already gotten a chance to prove himself? I didn't expect him to win it all, but if he was coaching material you'd think they'd at least be playing hard every night and be in the top 5 defensively. They aren't even close on either of those.
To be fair, no rookie coach should be getting AI without ever having had a training camp with him. AI's a handful for even a seasoned coach.
True, but he certainly could have put AI on the bench and told him he'll still get 35 MPG and get his shots. Don't worry about them adjusting to you, just do your thing and let all the bench players get your rebounds. Instead he disrupted all the chemistry this team has by putting a ball hogging superstar in the starting lineup and confusing Stuckey as to when he should drive or facilitate.
I'm not asking for a seemless transition, but I think if Curry brought him off the bench right away, AI could have been viewed as a guy doing whatever it takes to win the ring. I think AI would have been fine with that role provided he still got minutes and shots.
Please note that the "ball hogging superstar" that everyone keeps referring to actually leads the team in assists.
I'm not saying he's been a total ball hog here. I'm just saying his style is to play with the ball in his hands and get a large volume of shots. he's not a natural facilitator unless guys are hanging around the basket waiting for dump offs. Expecting the rest of the starters to adjust to that (or him to change that) was stupid on Curry's part.
Yeah, the point is, with AI in the offense, we get no ball movement -- that's why our team isn't winning, that's why AI's teams never win.
The good ball movement movement > post positive movement.
I like that one play that the Pistons run though...AI dribbles the ball down the side and cuts across the entire baseline, then passes to Tay on the wing and Tay misses the shot. Thats awesome.
I laughed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe
I like one where the guy with ball tries to "shake and bake" and the other 4 guys stand near the 3 point arc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe
What about Tay's ball fake? Anyone like that one? He only does it every other time he's got the ball in his hands.
Some of the guys actually look interested though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moodini31
That is starting to crack me up.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDB
George irvine wasn't hire was he? And carlisle's exit had more to do with his attitude towards the organization and players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Mxy
Ding ding ding like a muthafucka! Exactamundo! While I do believe Curry has been mediocre as an HC, I do believe there is some want to see him get a shot w/o iverson by the higher ups.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Mxy
He was talked into a 3 year contract by Dumars as part of trying to keep Grant Hill around. After Hill bailed, it was the Stack and Ben show with Dumars' PG of the future...Quote:
Originally Posted by Codename V
:mateen:
Brendan Suhr was pissed that he didn't get the head coach nod and gunning for Irvine's job from the front office. Irvine wanted to play Brian Cardinal more but Dumars refused to take him off the injured reserve list. There was lots of nasty shit. Dumars learned, but Irvine seemed like a casualty of the process.