Lord we need a defensive big so we can get rid of Sheed.
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Lord we need a defensive big so we can get rid of Sheed.
Well depending if we still had cap room, I would do that trade in a second. Use the extra $ next year on a SF that dosen't disappear in the playoffs. We get our scoring big and Barbosa who can back-up the 1 & 2 positions next year.
Well, you can't count on AI because he'll be gone after this year anyway. So you have Stuckey and Barbosa who's games overlap, but you'd likely just sign a FA SG or draft one that can knock down open shots and play decent defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fool
Basically you'd have the Suns backcourt rotation next year with Stuckey instead of Nash.
With that trade we have two of the hardest positions to fill, center and point guard, filled with all star caliber players who are very young. You can always find wings and powerforwards.
I'd rather have Amare as a PF than a center.
If he's the biggest guy on the floor, then you better hope the other team goes small...
He couldn't cover Dwight Howard, Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett for the life of him...
I'd start Kwame Brown at center if we made that deal.
Well I'm sure they will be trying to get Bosh.
Stuckey/Barbosa/Prince/Amare/Bosh unless they got a decent SG to make Barbosa a 6th man.
They could move Max or Amir for one.
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Originally Posted by WTFchris
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Originally Posted by Fool
How much do you think lux tax implications will have to do with making any deal the rest of the way?
i.e. :we: ain't doin' shit unless it shaves enough payroll off the books to get :us: under the tax thresh.
Are you implying that Tayshaun -did- disappear? Was it when he was making Iggy his bitch, blocking Hedo for the win, or holding Paul Pierce to <20 ppg?Quote:
Originally Posted by jturbo
Tay is the least of :our: concerns right now, IMO.
Correction
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Originally Posted by Glenn
Well, I have a feeling that Joe would do a deal that brings us a superstar big man even if the payroll increased a hair (like Amare). He may then have to move a big man for less than market value (Max perhaps) to get back under that level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
I could see us giving up a role player for less than market value, but not passing up a major deal because of the tax.
I guess I'm talking when he shot 32% from the field and averagedd 9pts per vs. Boston and shot 22% with 8 pts per vs Cle the year before, both ECF. Pierce has averaged 19 last year and so far this year, so I wouldn't really call that noteworthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Mxy
He was playing 40+ mpg without a usable backup and got worn down by the time he was against the other team's MVP both times. He's not as good as Paul Pierce or LeBron. Find me a wing player that doesn't "disappear" against either of those two. This isn't as easy as it sounds. I hold more resentment against Chauncey, who had backups, who got schooled by Rondo and Boobie as often as not.Quote:
Originally Posted by jturbo
Tay averaged 33mpg in 07-08 regular season and just under 40mpg before we played Boston in the ECF. In 06-07 he was at 36mpg and 40mpg before Bron. Both seasons there were days off in between games, no back to backs in the playoffs. Sure he's never had a real back-up, but shit, the benches shorten come playoff time anyway, minutes expand, for every starter.
I'm not dogging his D, that's a whole other problem. Bron & Pierce are not great defenders, we needed Tay to step up his O....and he folded......bad......IMO. I think there are quite a few wings out there that could score on those two.
On Billups I agree 100%, he was the first guy I wanted to see leave the team, got my wish and living with it.
Amar'e wants to play in a "playground" offense. Doesn't sound like the Pistons.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/11294057
And I contended at the time, and still believe, that the Shaq trade was the death of the Suns.
:mccosky:
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Don't expect a big Pistons trade
If Dumars makes any move, it likely will be a minor trade, maybe for a backup small forward.
Chris McCosky / The Detroit News
AUBURN HILLS -- With the trade deadline less than four weeks away (Feb. 19), Pistons president Joe Dumars is doing what he typically does -- keeping his eyes, ears and phone lines wide open.
Though, truth be told, he's not likely to make another major deal, if even a minor one.
"We will be open until the trade deadline," Dumars said. "We won't shut it off and say there's no possible way we can make a move. I don't think you can do that."
But there is no urgency to deal. Dumars has made one blockbuster trade this season, acquiring Allen Iverson for Chauncey Billups. The Pistons took the court Friday against the Dallas Mavericks with their ninth different starting lineup, three-fifths of which was different from last year.
What Dumars is looking for in the second half of the season is stability, not another adjustment. So a major rotation-busting deal is unlikely.
"You can look at your team and feel you have a need for one more piece, but unless you can get that specific piece, it doesn't make sense to just go out and make a deal," Dumars said. "It would have to be a specific piece."
And it would have to come at a specific price. The Pistons are roughly $700,000 over the luxury-cap threshold, and that number could increase at the end of the year if some player incentives are met. Unless an irresistible player becomes available, Dumars isn't going to take on more payroll.
That said, the Pistons could probably do with a small forward to back up Tayshaun Prince. With Walter Herrmann out of the rotation, the Pistons have been using shooting guards Richard Hamilton and Arron Afflalo to spell Prince.
Dumars probably wouldn't turn away from another frontcourt player or perimeter shooter, if the price is right.
I just don't think that Rip and Tay have the right builds to be effective for 40+ mpg for any great stretch, even with playoff spacing, TV timeouts, etc. Being on the court is not the same as being effective on the court, and their games rely on their being relatively zippy and mobile for their build. I agree with you to some degree, but I also think we expect too much from them. Herrmann needs to be in the rotation. <groan>Quote:
Originally Posted by jturbo
Pierce is pretty good on D. Bron's gotten better, and has the advantage of being a megastar who gets lotsa love from the refs when it comes to contact.Quote:
I'm not dogging his D, that's a whole other problem. Bron & Pierce are not great defenders, we needed Tay to step up his O....and he folded......bad......IMO. I think there are quite a few wings out there that could score on those two.
Of course, a badly-fading AI wasn't what anyone really expected...Quote:
On Billups I agree 100%, he was the first guy I wanted to see leave the team, got my wish and living with it.
I'm actually starting to wonder if, at some point, Dumars will start selling off other assets for expiring contracts (and to get under the tax line).
I suppose that means Amir, since the cupboard gets pretty bare after this season (contract-wise) unless you think Tay/Rip could be moved for expirings.
It sure does seem that we are all coming to the realization that we have no chance to advance out of the second round with each passing game.
I don't think Davidson will green light any trade that increases payroll. In fact, I think he may have told Dumars to do what you have to to get under it (Pistons are about 3 to 400,000 over).Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
So, I would expect a trade like:
Alex Acker, Toronto's 2009 2nd round pick, and $1 million for Philadelphia's 2010 2nd round draft pick (top 55 protected).
I don't think Dumars will make another major deal. I think he wants to keep the flexibility that the Iverson deal gave him.
I really like Mola's idea:
Suns get Rip, Sheed, Afflalo
Pistons get Amare, Barbosa, Hill
Our rotation becomes
Stuckey/Barbosa/Bynum
AI/Barbosa
Prince/Hill (finally a legit backup for Prince)
Amare/Johnson/Maxiell
Kwame/McDyess
I'm not exactly sure how the big guys would pan out, probably depends on matchups if we put Amare at PF with Kwame or at C with Johnson.
Good looks. I actually started thinking nobody saw that and almost re-posted it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zekyl
I was thinking:
Amir/Dyess/Kwame
Amare/Max
Prince/Hill/Hermann
Iverson/Barbosa
Stuckey/Bynum
This one works too:
Trade 2
I like this one better since I would hate to lose Afflalo, but I feel like a homer suggesting it.
What a bunch of shit.Quote:
"They are playing with no emotion," says a long-distance viewer. Allen Iverson "has killed the team's spirit with his style of play."
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Don't be surprised if Pistons president Joe Dumars trades A.I. before the Feb. 19 deadline, the same team executive e-mailed. "But only if he can get back a similar expiring contract."
Like the Knicks and Nets, the Pistons are all about accumulating mega cap space for the two upcoming classes of free agents. So hooked on economics is Dumars, an agent testifies, he was prepared to deal treasured Tayshaun Prince for Stephen Jackson (or maybe it was Ron Artest) whose contract was set to terminate after next season. When the Warriors committed to New Jack City for a three-year extension, Detroit's purported proposal came off the table.
"That's absolutely false! I'm not trading Prince, period," Dumars fumed.
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Here's what's true about the 24-18 Pistons. "We're definitely going through a transition and change," Dumars allowed. "We knew we had to eventually make some hard choices to be able move forward. We knew we would have some tough nights.
"But we like that we're set up to be good going forward."
personally i don't think the suns would have any interest in that deal. sure we would. but they wouldn't IMO. OK maybe amare has pissed them off lately but still- i think they can do better than that deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zekyl
That second one still gives us a backup SF, so I'd still make it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Furious Styles
Amir/Dyess/Kwame
Amare/Max
Prince/Barnes/Hermann
Iverson/Barbosa/Afflalo
Stuckey/Barbosa/Bynum
Barbosa comes in with the second unit with either Afflalo or Bynum, depending on matchups. I'd make that trade. I do agree with Highwarrior though, I don't think the Suns make that trade, they probably think they could get something better.
I'm somewhat ashamed to admit that for the first time, I starting thinking about Jeff Foster trade scenarios this morning.
I don't think :we: have a good match, contract-wise, for him, though.
Apparently, the Spurs really want him, too.
Some tool on RealCavsFans came up with Rip/Kwame for Wally/Snow...
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Allen Iverson, Pistons
Everyone, including Joe Dumars, knew the Pistons were taking a big gamble bringing Iverson into the circle of trust. So far, the grand experiment hasn't turned out well. While the Pistons look like a playoff team, they no longer look like a serious contender for an NBA title.
So, what do the Pistons do next? They can keep plugging along, let Iverson's contract come off the books and have around $15 million in cap space this summer. Or, they can be proactive and try to turn Iverson into more assets or possibly a veteran big to shore up their front line. While Iverson doesn't hold the same appeal to many GMs as he used to, he is still a great ticket draw and could make someone a lot of money.
Chance of trade: 25 percent
Anything less than 50% is basically 0%
Explain, por favor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilfredo Ledezma
No don't make him explain I'm L'ingMAO at the take.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
With Bynum out for the Lakers, it's too bad that they don't have the contracts to make a Sheed trade make sense, other than Odom, that is.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgnsQuote:
Western contenders are desperately trying to acquire bigger players to match the Lakers’ frontline of Bynum and Pau Gasol. The Spurs would love to figure out a way to land Detroit’s Rasheed Wallace or Sacramento’s Brad Miller, but they just don’t have the assets to make a deal. Nevertheless, the urgency for Western teams to get bigger at all costs diminishes now. With Bynum, the Lakers aren’t losing to anyone in the West. Without him, one GM said, “They’re still the best team in the West, but we can play them differently.”
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=11412 (I know)Quote:
The soon to be 30-year-old Brand signed a five-year contract worth approximately $80 million in the offseason. With Brand clearly struggling to fit in to what Philly is doing, could now be the right time to try and trade him?
You have to believe Philly will at least look into that possibility given how much money they owe him. One suitor could be the Detroit Pistons, a team that has some expiring contracts to part with in Allen Iverson and Rasheed Wallace. A trade for Wallace would allow Sheed to return to his hometown of Philly, while a trade for Iverson would bring back one of the city's most beloved athletes (it's worth noting additional players would be necessary to make the salaries work in a deal for Iverson).
What could we actually get from the Spurs that would be worthwhile? Let's assume this season is a waste and we are letting AI and Sheed walk next year either way. I don't have a problem moving Sheed for picks/potential since we're not winning it all anyway the way this team is constructed and/or coached.
We know SA's picks will be crap, what else do they have?
Nothing. Which is why it says that they don't have the assets to get him.
I wanted the Pistons to take George Hill with their 2nd rounder, so he would be a nice addition (but not Sheed worthy). Oberto doesn't add anything Max doesn't already do (except maybe a couple inches taller). Mason or Udoko would be decent bench wings, but with RIP already coming off the bench they'd be useless.
Both of their picks are owed next year already. The best they can do is Golden State's second rounder.
Which is also why they are DONE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn