That would make the Cavs a much better team. MUCH better.
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That would make the Cavs a much better team. MUCH better.
Marion would feast on the garbage from Lebron and Mo Williams.
I love the "Yahoo!" as opposed to "Yahoo". As a note for the future, you'd be surprised how easy it is to convince your friends that you are an actual representative from Yahoo when emailing them from your fake email address just by adding such simple phrases as "Please don't hesitate to Yahoo! in the future!" at the end of your emails.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valter
As for the trade, shit that's scary. As much as I wish it could be the Pistons, a Celtics/Cavs conference finals could be a bloodbath and one hell of a seven game series, and Marion could bump the Cavs that last little bit up to even with the C's. Both teams look to be on an absolute mission this year.
Apparently OKC are looking to trade Joe Smiff.
Joe Smith is a Rasheed power-up waiting to happen.
WOTS is that the Bulls and Sixers are talking Dalembert/Ivey for Hughes/Noah.
Why do the sixers do that? That forces Brand back to center (when healthy). I guess you would do that if you are high enough on Speights to play him full time and just have Noah as the garbage man off the bench. Still, I think I'd rather have Sammy as the garbage man off the bench.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
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Originally Posted by WTFchris
That trade would take Philly back yet another step.
They're going to have a major surplus of PF's (Brand, Speights, Thaddeus Young, Reg Evans, Marshall)
Hughes won't solve their 2 guard problem.
They really like Speights, so I suppose that they would play him at C.
It's probably more about shedding Dalembert's contract.
But he only has one more year than Hughes on his deal. It would save them 12 mil for a year. But what do you do with Noah when he's a FA? He'll want a chance to start (which you won't have). So you lose Sammy for basically no benefit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Seems like you'd want an expiring deal for Sammy so you can resign Andre Miller.
Yeah, but that one year is $12m in savings and is well timed for 2010.
Noah will be restricted so they'll be able to match if they want to.
I just lol'd when I saw that Dalembert is second in all star voting at C.
All those Haitians voting online are propping him up. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
You know, when I read Camby's "We suck" comment, I thought to myself, "Self, I wonder if he is trying to force a trade out of LA?"
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Knicks consider trade to bring back Marcus Camby
BY FRANK ISOLA
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
Monday, January 5th 2009, 9:29 AM
The Portland Trail Blazers' dogged pursuit of David Lee could result in Marcus Camby returning to New York.
Knicks president Donnie Walsh denied that he is working on a three-way deal with the Blazers and Clippers, but several team sources confirmed that Walsh and the Knicks' coaching staff have discussed the possibility of adding Camby, who was traded from Denver to the Clippers last July.
Portland has been trying for months to acquire Lee, who will become a restricted free agent this summer. Mike D'Antoni would prefer to have the athletic 7-foot Camby as his center as opposed to the 6-9 Lee, who has improved offensively but has struggled on the defensive end.
There was a report of the Knicks being involved in a deal that would send Quentin Richardson to the Clippers and Lee to Portland, with the Knicks getting back Camby and former Knicks first-round pick Channing Frye. Walsh, however, denied having discussed that trade with the Clippers and Blazers.
Camby, 34, has developed into one of the game's best rebounding and defensive centers. He is averaging 12.8 points, 13.3 rebounds and 2.8 blocked shots this season for the Clippers. Ten years ago, Camby played a significant role in helping the Knicks reach the NBA Finals.
However, Camby eventually fell out of favor with Garden chairman James Dolan, who eventually had former Knicks president Scott Layden trade Camby and Camby's best friend, Latrell Sprewell, in successive years. Dolan, according to a club source, would not prevent Walsh from trading for Camby.
Lee's future with the Knicks is uncertain due to his pending free agency. Although the Knicks have the right to match any offer Lee receives, the club would be reluctant to sign Lee to a long-term extension if that deal jeopardizes the Knicks' ability to get under the salary cap by the summer of 2010 when LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh are eligible for free agency.
Last week, Walsh hinted that the Knicks need to add more size, which is something they will do when Eddy Curry returns from a knee injury. Walsh is also hopeful that the Knicks can add a backup point guard. Curry practiced Sunday for the first time since Nov. 1.
"We'll see if there are any setbacks," D'Antoni said. "But if he continues ... after a week he'll probably be day-to-day, shouldn't be too long."
http://newsok.com/trading-season-abo...rticle/3335369Quote:
Given what we know today, here are five attractive trading partners for the Thunder.
→Milwaukee: Charlie Villanueva and Tyronn Lue have recently been rumored to be on the move, with the Thunder named as a potential landing spot. The 6-foot-11 Villanueva creates mismatches with his inside-outside game, while Lue is a savvy veteran point guard who knocks down open shots and is a tough on-ball defender.
→Toronto: Anthony Parker and former Oklahoma State standout Joey Graham were reportedly included in a package that would have sent Earl Watson to the Raptors, and now former No. 1 pick Andrea Bargnani is reportedly on the trading block as well. The Thunder could use Parker and Bargnani’s perimeter shooting and Graham’s defense and toughness.
→Utah: With an abundance of shooting guards, and the Jazz potentially scrambling to re-sign big men Carlos Boozer and Paul Millsap this summer, sharpshooter Kyle Korver could be made available at a bargain price.
→Detroit: http://wtfdetroit.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13947
→New Jersey: Oklahoma product Eduardo Najera plays with a toughness and defensive mindset the Thunder sorely lacks. Swingman Jarvis Hayes is a 3-point threat who could help off the bench.
I read on SI that the Celtics could explore acquiring Jason Kapono. They're desperate since their bench offers no real threat of mid-range or outside shooting (Eddie House apparently doesn't count).
Scalabrine and a future pick for Kapono...is whats kicked around?
I have a hard time thinking Ainge would really want to take on Kapono's contract...but at least it's not as bad as Matt Carroll's...
Scalabrini has a terrible contract himself and it would have to be a pick FAR in the future to not be anything but essentially a high second round pick from the Celtics.
Kwame Brown for Saer Sene -- you heard it here first and last
We need Kwame for the playoffs to foul Shag. His value is 5 fouls.
Oops, thats for the 'Remember when' thread.
The Celtics offered J.R. Giddens & Gabe Pruitt to Orlando for J.J. Redick, but Otis told them no...
Boston is DESPERATE for some perimeter shooting. Eddie House can't even bring the ball up court, let alone be counted on to make contested shots...
Per RotoWorld...
What a terrible trade that would be for Milwaukee, IMO. Sessions showed signs of brilliance down the stretch last year, and their going to dump him because Skiles doesn't like him??Quote:
The Grizzlies and Bucks have discussed a trade that could send point guard Mike Conley to Milwaukee for guard Ramon Sessions and swingman Joe Alexander.
Conley has just never impressed me. If I was Milwaukee, I'd rather have Kyle Lowry than Conley...
3 team deal in the works
What a BRUTAL trade for the Bobacats that would be. Diop is still owed over 27 million for 4 years. And they already have Okafor, Nazy, and Diaw locked up.Quote:
Dallas gets Raymond Felton
Charlotte gets DeSagana Diop & Earl Watson
Oklahoma City gets cap relief
Not to mention, Felton is a restricted free agent after this year, just let him walk...
Glenn on suicide watch.
Earl Watson is LB's wet dream.
Shares the ball, makes his teammates better, defends the perimeter and stops dribble penetration like a motherfucker.
Translation::emo kid:
I vant to see LB succeed, so I'd be okay with this.
He'd never play here behind The Chosen One Jr., anyways.
I wasn't aware we signed him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
http://www.fanhouse.com/media/2007/0...nt-son-180.jpg
First-born draft rights were negotiated as part of the latest CBA. Larry Coon's FAQ discusses this in detail.
I can't believe that we don't have an "Official Earl Watson thread", so this will have to go here:
God help :us: if the Celtics or Lakers get him.Quote:
Who's Available In OKC Corral? His Name Is Earl
By Chris Sheridan
ESPN.com
EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- Let's all play GM for a minute. We'll pretend we're running the worst team in the NBA.
At our disposal is a player who's ranked 15th in the NBA in assists. He's a seven-year veteran who has been considered a rock-solid backup throughout his career, although he was a starter in 73 of his 76 appearances last season.
After notching another nine assists Monday night in a 103-99 overtime loss to the New Jersey Nets -- a total that easily could have been a dozen or more if the Oklahoma City Thunder had knocked down several open jumpers -- that particular point guard has tallied 20 dimes in his past two games.
What's more, that particular point guard is teaching some of the more subtle tricks of the trade to the player who has replaced him in Oklahoma City's starting lineup, the far-more-speedy but far-more-erratic Russell Westbrook.
So even though the franchise's long-term plans do not call for keeping him around, there has to be somebody out there who will offer something approaching fair value for Earl Watson, no?
Well, apparently not.
A three-team trade that was discussed between Dallas, Charlotte and Oklahoma City would have included Watson's being dealt to Charlotte with the Thunder receiving only a second-round pick and Jerry Stackhouse in return. (The other main pieces of the trade, according to ESPN colleague Marc Stein, included Raymond Felton, Sean May and Nazr Mohammed heading to Dallas, and DeSagana Diop moving from the Mavs to the Bobcats.)
Odds are that Stackhouse would have been bought out (he is guaranteed only $2 million of his $7 million salary next season), so Oklahoma City would realize a $4.6 million savings in 2009-10 -- along with whatever money would have been thrown into the deal as a sweetener.
And that, folks, is apparently the best Thunder general manager Sam Presti can do -- at least for now. (We expect better from Sam the Wunderkind, who set the bar pretty high when his first major deal sent a second-round pick to Phoenix for Kurt Thomas and two first-round picks -- both unprotected).
"I think what it tells you is that as we get to the deadline, we're going to see a ton of deals that are solely financially driven," said one league executive with knowledge of the Thunder-Mavs-Bobcats discussions. "Teams are cutting the bottom line, especially in light of the economy [and] the fact that the cap might stay flat this year and go down the following year, which means the luxury-tax number will go down, too. If you have escalating deals and a de-escalating tax, that's the trend you're going to see."
The Thunder's nucleus currently consists of only three long-term certainties -- Kevin Durant, Jeff Green and Westbrook, with the jury still out on Nick Collison. Oklahoma City has stockpiled five first-round picks in the next two years (their own in 2009 and 2010, Phoenix's unprotected 2010 pick, and Denver and San Antonio's 2009 picks), so the rebuilding process will remain in place long after Watson is eventually moved.
There's a saying in NBA circles that if it's January, there must be an Earl Watson trade rumor out there somewhere. The 6-foot-1 point guard from UCLA has been the subject of trade rumors virtually every season he has been in the league since Seattle took him with the 40th overall pick of the 2001 draft, although he has been traded only once -- as part of a four-team deal in 2006 in which he went from Denver back to Seattle.
"He's been in the league and knows the players he's guarding, their tendencies. He's heady, he plays extremely hard, and the last couple games he's really kept us steady and given us a chance to win," Thunder coach Scott Brooks said. "You get better by practicing hard against your teammates, and Russell is getting better because he's practicing against Earl every day."
Watson would seem to be a perfect fit for two of the top teams in the NBA, the Los Angeles Lakers and Boston Celtics, both of whom are seeking depth at point guard. But Los Angeles has nothing to match Watson's salary ($6.2 million) that would be of interest to Oklahoma City, nor does Boston -- at least nothing that matches up salary-wise.
With the three-team deal between the Thunder, Bobcats and Mavericks now apparently dormant, other trade possibilities are bound to pop up between now and the trade deadline.
But can Presti get more than a second-round pick and some financial relief?
Well, if you are playing GM the same way I am, the best option seems to be to wait another five weeks, wait for a better offer, and let Watson keep doing what he's doing. Eventually, someone will get him on the cheap. But the guess here is that the selling price -- especially if Watson keeps averaging 10 assists as he has the past two games -- will be a little higher than it was when the Thunder were ready to let the trade to Charlotte go through.
And Watson's thoughts?
"I talked to [agent] Dan [Fegan] and I told him: 'Don't call me unless I'm moving.' We talk about everything, but when it comes to that, I don't want to hear about scenarios, because then you get into the waiting game."
Still, Watson has to be waiting -- yearning actually, for the sake of his own pride -- to hear that he's at least worth more than a second-round pick and some cap relief.
The next six weeks will show whether he is.
God help :us: all.
You'd think Earl Watson was Jason Kidd the way he's being coveted.
When is the trade deadline?
Feb. 19thQuote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe
Well I'm going to be looking for some addition by subtraction...iykwim
That's for players.Quote:
Originally Posted by RegicideGreg
The trade deadline is different for coaches.
Yes, I'm being silly here. On a more serious note, fuck Curry.
I'm pretty sure you're right, coaches can be traded post February 19th. Curry's trade value is pretty low I would think. Maybe a future 2nd rounder at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Mxy
Yahoo has a rumor going around that the heat and raptors are considering an exchange of Jermaine O'Neal for Shawn Marion.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns
It's believed that the Bobcats remain open to moving Felton -- who'll be a restricted free agent this summer -- but sources say Charlotte has not yet budged from its longstanding mandate that the deal must also involve someone else taking on the contract of out-of-favor center Nazr Mohammed.
Joe Asbury referenced this is the trade subforum, but in case you missed it...
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Sources: Suns ponder deals for Stoudemire
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports
59 minutes ago
Perhaps signaling a willingness to dismantle their roster, the Phoenix Suns have begun exchanging trade proposals with teams for All-Star forward Amare Stoudemire, league executives told Yahoo! Sports on Thursday.
With dysfunction and dissension reigning within the Suns, rival front-office executives believe general manager Steve Kerr is determined to move Stoudemire and others before the Feb. 19 trade deadline.
While Stoudemire, 26, is the Suns’ most valuable asset, sources say Kerr has told teams that he’s willing to trade anyone on his roster except for point guard Steve Nash.
“Everyone is on the table but Nash,” one executive said.
Phoenix owner Robert Sarver has been more reluctant to part with Stoudemire and still hasn’t yet given his blessing to act on a Stoudemire proposal. Nevertheless, most believe that Sarver will inevitably do so.
While there will likely be some interest in a rejuvenated Shaquille O’Neal, it is Stoudemire, the enigmatic 6-foot-10, 250-pound forward, whom most NBA teams have an interest in acquiring.
If Kerr and assistant GM David Griffin do trade Stoudemire, a four-time All-Star, they want a combination of expiring contracts, a talented young player – preferably a forward – and draft picks. Stoudemire is expected to opt out of his contract for the historic free-agent summer of 2010. He makes $15 million this season and $16.3 million next season. His relationship with Suns management has steadily deteriorated and few expect that either side is interested in a contract extension.
Phoenix made the biggest move of the trade deadline a year ago, trading Shawn Marion for Shaquille O’Neal in a deal that the Suns believed could help them overtake the San Antonio Spurs and Los Angeles Lakers in the Western Conference. Yet, the Suns lost to the Spurs in the first round of the playoffs, which turned into a prelude to an acrimonious exit with coach Mike D’Antoni.
This season, Phoenix has struggled to a 26-21 record, which leaves them tied for the final playoff spot in the Western Conference. The Suns were blown out Wednesday night in Golden State, 124-112.
With O’Neal clogging the middle, Stoudemire has expressed frustration with a diminished offensive role. Stoudemire still flusters his GM and coach because of an unwillingness to commit to anything but scoring. Stoudemire’s scoring and rebounding averages have dropped this season, and he recently told Yahoo! Sports that he was struggling with an offense that features fewer pick-and-rolls for him, fewer touches in the low post.
“It is harder,” Stoudemire said. “When you’re in the flow, everything flows. When you’re not, sometimes it’s hard to get involved.”
After the loss to Golden State, Stoudemire told reporters, “To keep losing these games the way we are, it’s not fun. I’m not used to it. It’s almost against my religion.”
Sources believe the Suns are more apt to shop Stoudemire to the Eastern Conference, where Toronto and New York are natural possibilities. Raptors GM Bryan Colangelo drafted Stoudemire for the Suns, and Knicks coach Mike D’Antoni helped turn him into an All-Star. Still, the acrimonious nature of Colangelo’s and D’Antoni’s departures could lessen Phoenix management’s willingness to deal with them.
Nevertheless, Phoenix promises once more be at the center of the league’s biggest trade talks leading up to the deadline.
Sheed, all our 2009 picks and either Amir, Maxiell or Affalo?
Would Phoenix be interested?
Surely Joe would be willing to move any/all combinations I just mentioned...