So that pretty much puts an end to the "he only won because of black voters" schpiel, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilfredo Ledezma
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So that pretty much puts an end to the "he only won because of black voters" schpiel, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilfredo Ledezma
Pretty much, yeah. I think it was the Hollywood effect with A-list African-Americans, who we're non-existent in supporting John Kerry, that made it seem like they grew in numbers.
Although in states like Virginia & North Carolina, black vote played a significant role. No Democrat has any business winning those two states, not that it would've swung the election anyway had he lost 'em...
I'd bet no white democrat ever wins those states ever again.
Saxby flopped on a lot of hot-button red-meat issues for Georgian Republicans-- immigration, the bailout, gun rights, etc. That's why he's in this bind. He does not have a base much beyond those that vote for him because of the "R" next to his name.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilfredo Ledezma
Begich just pulled ahead of Stevens for the Alaskan Senate seat, and the remaining ~30000 votes yet to be counted this week are from Begich's turf.
Franken's behind by ~200 votes now, and keeps on gaining as results are canvassed. There's ~10000 ballots, largely from counties Franken won by a lot, that improbably have no votes for either President or Senator. Franken may squeak this one out in the upcoming recount.
I don't hold good odds of the Dems winning in the Georgia runoff. But the Dem went to a runoff in 2nd place before and came out a winner. We'll know how this will go by the early voting on Thanksgiving week.
Keith reported earlier tonight that Begich is ahead by 3 votes over Stevens.
Begich will go down to Palin in that seat in the next election.
814 votes now, with more Begich-favorable territory to be tallied on Friday. This is shaping up like the Oregon race.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
If Palin wants a Senate seat, she'd probably go for the 2010 seat in Alaska. Her and Murkowski don't exactly "pal around". I can't see why she'd want to be in the Senate, though. She's in the best spot possible for doing a future Presidential run.
I think it'd help if she got involved in some of the wordly affairs so she is a lil more prepared.
That would be one fucked up commute though.
That's six years from now in 2014. Writing off Palin in '12 already?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe
^ I hope she takes a few decades off. Bobby Jindal or Pawlenty are better suited to make that leap, imo.
No way she get's enough delegates to be the GOP candidate in 2012. And that's probably a good thing. I'd like to see her be a Senator at some point, but as for President...2016 at the very earliest is when I think she should explore that option...Quote:
Originally Posted by geerussell
We already saw an Obama v. Palin election...and we already know the outcome.
Keep an eye on JC Watts. Former Congressman from Oklahoma. He could be a darkhorse for '12.
JC is a funny sombitch. <-- term of endearment. I like that guy.
Stevens just conceded. Begich won.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilfredo Ledezma
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/...ace/index.html
One more Senator for the Democratic camp...
I almost feel sorry for MN election officials ruling on contested ballots.
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/fea...ardpeopleb.jpg
So remember that you can only vote for the Lizard People to represent you in ONE and only ONE political position.Quote:
Ballot #5: Lizard People
This Beltrami County voter cast their ballot for Al Franken, but also put "Lizard People" as a write-in candidate, not only in the U.S. Senate race, but for several others. The county auditor/treasurer ruled that the vote should not be counted because it's considered an overvote. Representatives for Franken challenged that decision. (MPR Photo/Tom Robertson)
Can we call Franken the Lizard King if he wins?
The only bubble filled in for Senator was Franken.
Does just writing the name in without filling the bubble constitute an overvote, especially since he DID explicitly fill in the bubble for "Lizard People" in other races but not Franken's?
Would they have counted it a vote for the Lizard People if he wouldn't have filled in any bubble? If so, I think it's a fair decision.
What if he would had written Al Franken in the write in portion but not filled in a bubble?
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Originally Posted by Fool
Remember the intent portion. I think they might have counted it had he just written it in, had it not been for the circles elsewhere, and the circle on Franken. Gotta give that one to Franken.
I gotta think the Lizard People screwed the pooch on this one. Their sense of an "interchangeable parts" society, where the majority of Lizards are more than prepared to handle any number of tasks, didn't prepare them for the fact that humans prefer specific individuals for certain jobs. You'd have thought they would have done their homework on this one.
The early voting didn't go nearly well enough for Martin, and he lost. I probably should've called this one for Chambliss last week so I could look prescient, but I didn't care that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Mxy
Now it's down to the Franken-Coleman mess, where there are thousands of ballot challenges, and a controversial vote against re-evaluating "rejected" absentee ballots for intent of the voter much like the other ballots. So, it's likely to come down to a court deciding who wins, or a Senate deciding to push for some kind of do-over.
Franken ahead, for now
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081219/...nnesota_senate
Vote totals certified and Franken is ahead. Coleman plans to tie Franken up in court for months:Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...VQgrQD95H7GB80
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/...heir-fact.html
25 precincts have more votes than peeps registered???? LOL @ Minni
I'd keep Franken tied up for months too.
Beyond Coleman saying that, where's the evidence? There wasn't enough evidence to sway the Minnesota Supreme Court to stop the recount.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe
From what I understood, it was the recount where more votes than peeps registered.
Other than Pawlenty, this thing was basically in control of the Dems. They made their decisions based on partisanship. Would Reps do the same thing? I'm pretty sure they would have, but to deny that decisions weren't made that were in Dem control, is not correct, imo.
AFAIK, there were never more votes than peeps registered. There were more votes found in some precincts than were counted on election day, but that's something different. There wasn't a preponderance of evidence to support that as of late December, in a unanimous verdict of the Minnesota Supreme Court. If there is proof, someone needs to put up specifics.
The Dems were in control? Yhe canvassing board that ran the show consists of two Republican SC judges appointed by Pawlenty, one Independence party sort appointed by Ventura, one judge who hasn't stated partisanship, and the Democratic SoS. That's hardly Dems running the show.
FWIW, Franken bores me to tears. I have little love for the dude. If I lived in Minny, I'd probably have voted for the third party candidate. I'm just amused by the whole situation. Minnesota should have Dems running the show, but the western-style Dems in Minny went off and formed their own strong third party to create mass chaos. Fun fun fun...
:green balloon:Quote:
Originally Posted by CNN
Well I for one actually find Franken to be far smarter than anyone gives him credit for, and a man of exemplary moral character. Especially considering the fact that he has been 100% silent since this whole thing started.
It's over. Coleman concedes. Now sign the damn certificate, Pawlenty.
Yeah, my respect for Franken has grown over the months because he hasn't tried to turn this into more of a circus than it already is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Swami
Like anyone doubted this day would come? He's good enough, he's smart enough, and doggone it, people like him!
Me too, man. Dude is the bomb!Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Mxy
Norm Coleman won by 700 votes on Election Day.
I bet he's sitting at home watching the Twins and asking himself "What the fuck?"
They missed counting a few thousand ballots. When they did, Franken won. Doing a recount by hand was required because of the margin. What do you do when your books don't balance, accounting major?
Remember, the three major candidates all _gained_ votes in the recount.
Normally, a few thousand improperly handled ballots don't make a difference. This time, they did.
By all rights, Norm Coleman should've been able to beat Franken. He was the fucking incumbent, competing against a divided ticket and a candidate with flamboyance issues. He's been there before (running for governor against Ventura). It should never have been this close.
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/fea...ardpeopleb.jpg
Should this have been a vote for Franken or an ineligible ballot.
I think the latter, however, it was counted as a vote for Franken.
You've made that post before.
He got MORE votes after they recounted. Your guy lost.
Get over it.
My guy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fool
I've never been one of Norm Coleman's constituents.
I could care less now---the Senate is still going to have a very difficult time passing all the far-left shit (cap & trade, gun control, card check, universal healthcare) anyway---with or without Coleman, with or without Franken...
There is not much behind the Democrats 'strength in numbers' for the Senate when you have moderates (Ben Nelson, Claire McCaskill, Blanche Lincoln, Mark Pryor, Bill Nelson, Kurt Conrad) amongst them.
If you had 60 Sheldon Whitehouses', then I'd be more inclined to think Franken's addition would make a difference...
Your guy. He lost.
So you do care then?:
Why is it so hard to say couldn't care less? I hear it said wrong more often than right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilfredo Ledezma