I used to do inventory back in the day and we had alot of contracts in ohio, half of them were porn outlets.Quote:
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I used to do inventory back in the day and we had alot of contracts in ohio, half of them were porn outlets.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrRay11
I love when he does these, especially the dramatic shift in camera angles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj65cFLcpr4
I love the intensity.
He likes to portray himself as Edward R. Murrow-esque.
That's his idol.
He signs off every night with "Goodnight and good luck".
Someone isn't satisfied with simply writing banner copy.Quote:
A phalanx of lunatics tacitly incited into a clear and present danger to this nation.
thank god we have a true christian like sarah palin to whip up a cult of resentment, hate, partisanship, and scapegoating. I'm sure people were really starting to resent the hopeful, optimistic, post-partisan approach of that non-christian obama. we needed more christian values in this race.
note that i am not anti-religion, but i am anti-political-religion and sarah palin is the best example of an incredibly phony political religionist. the 'true believer' is the one whipping up all the hate. i hope that dobson donahue and others enjoy their time in hell for manipulation of religion for political purposes.
There's nothing in scripture that would suggestQuote:
Originally Posted by xanadu
is a sin. So to draw a parallel that suggests they'll surely go to hell is quite laughable.Quote:
manipulation of religion for political purposes
Not everybody's a Democrat.
It's a fact- most Christians are conservative. Dr. James Dobson and Phil Donahue are no different.
Your just upset because of the influence both those gentleman have on other people.
Jesus gave.
1 Timothy comes pretty close, IMO:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilfredo Ledezma
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Originally Posted by King James Bible
That's not close at all, Mxy.
Nice try.
This is some funny shit wil! I mean, you don't oppose the sentiment that dobson and donahue manipulate religion for political purposes, but you do assert that the manipulation of religion is not a sin. Do you know what the word manipulate means? Of course, American-style representative govt. had not been invented when events in the Bible took place so if you look to scripture for what is allowable, you're on thin ice. Nonetheless, any reasonable interpretation of the Bible would conclude that Christians should be skeptical of government and their leaders, not to coopt government for religious purposes. The inquisition is a famous instance of coopting govt. for religious purposes and i doubt the perpetrators would be held in high regard with the God they supposedly believed in.
donahue and dobson are free to make public comments about political preferences, but not to pass religious judgment on those who disagree. When i talk of dobson and donahue burning in hell, it is to drive home the point of how ridiculous it is to proclaim religious judgment on those who disagree with their politics. I don't proclaim to know what will happen to dobson or donahue after death. However, no religious leader has the right to pass judgment on the political decisions of others because it asserts an authority they do not possess. they can assert their opinion, they can cite scripture, but they must not assert religious certainty.
As the esteemed Jesus said:
"My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence" (John 18:36)
Please, the only people who listen to what Dobson and Donahue say are people that would vote Republican anyway.
With all the mainstream media slanted towards Obama, wouldn't that be manipulating people to vote for Obama?
It's the same thing.
Dobson's not going to support anybody who's pro-choice anyway. So it should come as no surprise to you, really.Quote:
You shall not murder (Exodus 20:13).
passing political judgement = giving their opinions on each candidate
So it's ok to play the religion card in politics? So where do you stand on the separation of Church and state?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilfredo Ledezma
When you brag about which side has more Christians, you irresponsibly miss out on your responsibility to avoid throwing religion into the mix.
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There's nothing in scripture that would suggest is a sin.
Manipulation involves deception which is most definitely a sin and one of the first in the Bible. Its a pathetic shame that you call yourself a christian and i have better fundamental values on this with that ignorant statement you made. IMO people like that serve themselves, not their Lord. And for sponges like yourself the Bible speaks of you.Quote:
1 Timothy comes pretty close, IMO:
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Religion plays a much bigger role in people's lives than politics do, especially for Christians. Your free to vote for whoever you want, but at the same time, Christians are more likely to vote for somebody who has similiar values. Often times that ends up being the Republican candidate, by default.Quote:
Originally Posted by Codename V
Now, I've never been to a church where the minister publically endorses Candidate A or Candidate B. But at the same time, I've heard ministers say they're pro-life or against homosexual marriage. Both of those issues are clearly stated in the Bible as acts of sin. So with the Bible being the fundamental doctrine of Christianity, that's not manipulation, it's morality.
I'm not bragging. It's a statement of fact, "most Christians vote Republican". Part of the reason I'm voting for McCain is because he has similiar values that I have. And those very values are ones in which I have gained through growing up in a Christian household.Quote:
When you brag about which side has more Christians, you irresponsibly miss out on your responsibility to avoid throwing religion into the mix.
And your telling me that when the mainstream media anchors clearly show favortism towards Obama & Democrats by HUGE proportions, that they aren't trying to manipulate their viewing audience into voting for Obama? Please, let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.Quote:
Manipulation involves deception which is most definitely a sin and one of the first in the Bible.
Well, that's your opinion. Nobody's perfect, especially myself. But since you obviously aren't a Christian or a Conservative, I'm not going to expect you to know where I'm coming from. Nor do I claim to represent all Christians. I speak for myself and what I've encountered.Quote:
Its a pathetic shame that you call yourself a christian and i have better fundamental values on this with that ignorant statement you made. IMO people like that serve themselves, not their Lord. And for sponges like yourself the Bible speaks of you
Christian, Conservative, Republican...in that order
you know this how?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilfredo Ledezma
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Originally Posted by Sir Douche Baggins
Codename said...
Obviously he was implying that it was pathetic that I, a christian, had lesser values than himself.Quote:
Its a pathetic shame that you call yourself a christian and i have better fundamental values on this with that ignorant statement you made
He wouldn't have compared us had he not been implying the fact that I was a Chrisitan, and he wasn't.
It's not to say he isn't religious, but clearly he's not claiming to be a Christian.
Not passing judgement, just using what you give me. I could care less who you or anybody serves.
Unless you can back that statement up, you should back off of it because it only applies to the narrow segment of fundamentalist christians. Fundamentalist, by definition, being those who believe in the literal interpretation of every word in the bible as being god's word transcribed by man. Since only the republicans cater (pander) to that view, all the people living on a 6000 year old flat earth are going to vote republican because life begins at flirtation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilfredo Ledezma
However you can not, as you have repeatedly attempted to do, extrapolate the views of the fundamentalists to every christian. While the country is predominantly judeochristian, that group isn't monolithic no matter how much the republican party would like it to be.
Our brewing religious war here might have great consequences for Obama's safety... NOT! :) I posted that section of the Bible that's widely seen as pertaining to honesty in government, so I blame myself for some of this.
Has anyone stopped to consider that Obama might want to get shot at?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/1..._n_135028.html
Willy's right that I'm not Christian(close, but I refuse to claim an orthodox group), ignorantly wrong that I need to know where he's coming from to understand Christianity and how it relates to society. Again that college money is going to fucking waste.
Now this is where you're arrogant ass explains how this has anything to do with religious figures exploiting believers for political manipulation. Or did they teach you to just reply with anything you think is similar? You didn't justify one wrong by pointing out another and your religion speaks against this practice you live by.Quote:
And your telling me that when the mainstream media anchors clearly show favortism towards Obama & Democrats by HUGE proportions, that they aren't trying to manipulate their viewing audience into voting for Obama? Please, let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.
There is no opinion involved in you being wrong about your own scriptures and religious fundamentals. You've fabricated your responsibilities and sins as a christian to cater to your preferences as a person. You prefer to be an arrogant prick, But its not endorsed by your religion, nor does it passed w/o being addressed by the bible. Someday I hope you grow up and learn about your beliefs rather than blindly saying you are part of a religion you can't even read up on.Quote:
Well, that's your opinion.
You can't have it both ways kid, either you don't represent Christians or you are the one we all have to know where he's coming from to get Christianity. Man you are ignorant to a pure bliss Fredo eyes wide shut.Quote:
Well, that's your opinion. Nobody's perfect, especially myself. But since you obviously aren't a Christian or a Conservative, I'm not going to expect you to know where I'm coming from. Nor do I claim to represent all Christians.
Well you fail from the jump kid. Good luck finding your way, no matter what you think you're not there.Quote:
Christian, Conservative, Republican...in that order
My beliefs are more spiritual than orthodox. But as close as you get to christian w/o saying I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Douche Baggins
This is pointless. A core tenet of Paulian Christianity is that it is impossible to understand without first believing. Believe first, understand later. That's how it goes according to St. Paul. As long as others insist on knowing what they're talking about before they decide to believe it, this discussion will never bear fruit.
Damn, y'all breakin out the religion and shit.
Not really, just saying dont endorse the exploitation of your own religion as not a sin. It is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe
yea, see all that shit just goes over my head. Is that a double negative? Cuz double negatives always throw me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Codename V
Don't you not see what I'm not sayin? :)
btw..just fuckin around Gutz. Don't go off on me or something.
edit: this post is directed at wil, but is the last i have to offer on religion in politics.
1. what have republicans done about abortion in all the years they had control of the pres., congress, and the supreme court (7 repub 2 dem)?
2. how many 100s of thousands of innocent civilians died in iraq. how many millions left their homes?
3. how many people have been tortured to death or to insanity by our govt. how many of those were just in the wrong place at the wrong time?
4. is it christian to endorse proposals that literally aim to expand the gap between rich and poor?
i would never be jealous of dobson and donahue because i think they are 1. morons and 2. powerless. they sold their soul to influence politics and didn't get shit changed, not even a single vote on abortion at the national level. i don't think the repubs have the balls to overturn roe v. wade. they just want to use it as wedge issue for ignorant dumbasses.
i personally would oppose abortion under any situation in my own family (not that it would ever be solely at my discretion as a man), and I would favor laws to make it illegal under any situation except death of the mother after 3 months. i was born catholic, but i have turned my back on the religion since i heard the pope himself worked to cover up molestation and when i hear dumbfuck bishops talking about it being to sin to support dems. The underlying goodness of religion is persuasion through ideas, not simple-minded obediance to the human leaders of the church. if you think abortion is the only issue that is relevant to christianity, you are a dumbass.
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1. Your never going to pass legislation banning abortion. It's mostly a moral issue. Roe V. Wade will never be overturned. No matter how much conservatives want it to be.
2. How many innocent people died here during 9/11? The numbers don't have to equal eachother. War is war. Soldiers are paid to fight.
3. I don't understand the context of your question. Do you mean via capital punishment?
4. I think your missing the point on this one. The main issue isn't to expand the gap between the rich and the poor, but instead it's to let the rich be entitled to keep the money they earned. Is it the same thing? Sorta, but your interpreting it as if rich people are selfish and greedy. But in reality most wealthy people earned they're lifestyle through hard work and opportunity at a time when they weren't blessed financially. All men are created equal. We all have the same opportunities to be successful if we choose to cease them. If you don't put forth the diligence, sacrafice, and work ethic to do so, than you don't have anybody to blame but yourself. But penalizing the rich and telling them "they make too much money" is just an act of socialism. What if that guy making $250K has 4 or 5 children? Suddenly he doesn't have as much "disposable income" as the government assumes he has. "Spread the wealth around" is what Obama said to Joe the plumber. Why should I have to give my money to the government, just so they can give it to people who didn't earn it? What do I get out of it??
Plus, rich people are the ones who create jobs and start small businesses. I don't know about you, but I never got a job from a poor person. You tax the rich, they cut costs (jobs), everybody loses.
I've never heard any religious leader say that it's a sin to vote Democrat. Since you said you turned your back on religion, I think what your doing is seeing some instances of a minister 'abuse' his platform at the pulpet, and interpreting it as if all pastors/ministers/bishops are that way. Which I think is certainly not true. Christianity is (and always will be) bigger than politics. No matter who wins the election, Christians put their faith in God instead of the government anyway.Quote:
i personally would oppose abortion under any situation in my own family (not that it would ever be solely at my discretion as a man), and I would favor laws to make it illegal under any situation except death of the mother after 3 months. i was born catholic, but i have turned my back on the religion since i heard the pope himself worked to cover up molestation and when i hear dumbfuck bishops talking about it being to sin to support dems. The underlying goodness of religion is persuasion through ideas, not simple-minded obediance to the human leaders of the church. if you think abortion is the only issue that is relevant to christianity, you are a dumbass
Plus, it goes both ways as far as what party the man at the pulpet endorses. Just ask Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
You are in college, right? I can only imagine what it would be like to read a turn paper of yours.
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Originally Posted by Wilfredo Ledezma
In case you missed it, the Iraq-9/11 connect was thoroughly debunked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilfredo Ledezma
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Originally Posted by xanadu
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Originally Posted by xanadu
I don't write my own term papers, www.CustomResearchPapers.us does. It's kind of expensive, but it saves time.
Plus, I'm an accounting major, what the hell type of class would I have to write a term paper for?
Is this serious or are you just messing around?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilfredo Ledezma
Wil has never hidden the fact he cheats.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoTown
I'm speechless...
Wow dude. I guess if you compromise your integrity, you compromise your integrity. Nobody can do anything to stop you.
maybe wil does it for humanitarian reasons. also, I think the 'it saves time' may be the best (and least creative) explanation for cheating i've ever heard. interestingly, i read about one of those services and the need to determine the writing level of clients to ensure that the products don't exaggerate actual writing skills.
This helps Obama's safety immeasurably.
See, if Wilfredo Ledezma weren't paying those writers, he and those writers might be out of a job and turn into terrorist assassins. Really, the fate of the world rests on Ledezma's shoulders. In fact, he must continue to be an accounting student or the balance between good and evil will be shattered! Quick, everyone call Walsh College and make sure he doesn't graduate!
<laughs>
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ATF disrupts skinhead plot to assassinate Obama
By LARA JAKES JORDAN, Associated Press Writer
12 mins ago
WASHINGTON – Federal agents have broken up a plot to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and shoot or decapitate 102 black people in a Tennessee murder spree, the ATF said Monday.
In court records unsealed Monday, federal agents said they disrupted plans to rob a gun store and target a predominantly African-American high school by two neo-Nazi skinheads. Agents said the skinheads did not identify the school by name.
Jim Cavanaugh, special agent in charge of the Nashville field office for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, said the two men planned to shoot 88 black people and decapitate another 14. The numbers 88 and 14 are symbolic in the white supremacist community.
The men also sought to go on a national killing spree, with Obama as its final target, Cavanaugh told The Associated Press.
"They said that would be their last, final act — that they would attempt to kill Sen. Obama," Cavanaugh said. "They didn't believe they would be able to do it, but that they would get killed trying."
An Obama spokeswoman traveling with the senator in Pennsylvania had no immediate comment.
The men, Daniel Cowart, 20, of Bells, Tenn., and Paul Schlesselman 18, of West Helena, Ark., are being held without bond. Agents seized a rifle, a sawed-off shotgun and three pistols from the men when they were arrested. Authorities alleged the two men were preparing to break into a gun shop to steal more.
Attorney Joe Byrd, who has been hired to represent Cowart, did not immediately return a call seeking comment Monday.
Cowart and Schlesselman are charged with possessing an unregistered firearm, conspiring to steal firearms from a federally licensed gun dealer, and threatening a candidate for president.
The investigation is continuing, and more charges are possible, Cavanaugh said.
I swear, if he survives a potential presidency, it will be a miracle.
kennedy was assassinated in an era where it was much easier to get to the president. So its really hard to say.