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Ben's staying/leaving or signing/trading him, could affect the future of the team. that's what's worrisome to me. i'm not overreacting.....just saying it's a more scary time than in recent memory. i think it's sort of like a fork in the road for the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
Assuming Ben walks:
We're still so far over the cap it's not funny.
Which means we'd now have the MLE and BAE to address our weak C position, grab a slasher and a back-up PG.
Holy Shit! Fuck that!
I'd hate to tell you this, but he'd be UNDER the cap if ben walked for nothing...
$46 million payroll is where we're at right now.
Cap is expected to be around $49 million. Luxury tax at $61 million.
I hate to point this out to you but if our payroll is $46,000,000 and the cap is $49,000,000 we're not under the cap.
Since we're under the cap by less than the MLE we only get the MLE to spend.
We could be stupid and renounce the MLE, which gives us $3,000,000 to spend.
So, um, yeah - we'd have no cap room to sign anyone, just the MLE and BAE.
Best Case Scenario?
The cap goes up to $52,000,000, which gives us $6,000,000 in cap space IF Ben walks.
And in that scenario we'd still only get both exceptions, because combined the MLE and BAE equal more than $6,000,000.
So, um, yeah - we'd have no cap room to sign anyone, just the MLE and BAE
Being under the cap means you're under the cap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pharaoh
Granted, we still have all the exemptions, but the fact is we're 3 million under the threshhold.
But yes, you';re right. It's possible for us to have essentially TWO MLEs to use over the summer, if Ben walks.
That's why I wouldnt be horrified if Ben walked, and why I also don't want tyson chandler eating up all that space.
I don't get this logic at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
We don't have two MLEs. DO NOT.
Ben walks without a S&T, that's suicide.
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Originally Posted by themicrowave
Um, he just explained it for you.
If ben walked, we'd have a little under the MLE in cap space, plus the actual MLE to use on top of that.
We could offer two different players $5 million+ each.
I'm not going to argue that we're better with ben gone, but we WOULD be better not having ben if ben asks for 15 million, meaning that when he's 36 he'd probably be making $20 million.
If we were a guarenteed lock at another ring, that would be different. But we're not coming off a championship, so the pressure to keep the team intact isn't there.
No. The MLE is granted to teams that are over the cap or under it less than the MLE's value. But you can't use both cap space (3 Mil) and the MLE (roughly 5 Mil). No big spending for us no matter what Ben does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
Ah, yeah, i forgot that part.
Either way, we're still in very good shape as far as trade flexibility goes.
Kstat - re-read my post.
If we are under the CAP by more than the MLE, we get that amount of money to spend.
If we are under the cap by less than the MLE, we get the MLE.
There is no way you get 2 MLE.
And like I said above:
Since the exceptions combined are more than $6mil if ben walks we're fucked.
We'd have the MLE and the BAE to replace Ben, grab a slasher and a PG.
No fucking chance that happens.
And we wouldn't be $3,000,000 under the threshold if Ben walked.
We'd be $3,000,000 under the cap.
The threshold that is always spoken about is the luxury tax threshold. It's expected to be around $63,000,000 for the next season.
So, at $46,000,000 right now with the guys under contract we are $17,000,000 under the tax threshold.
If we use the MLE we're down to $12,000,000.
If we use the BAE, we're down to $10,200,000
If we bring back Hunter, Delk or Cato for the veteran minimum we're down to $9,100,000
That would have to be Ben's starting salary, otherwise we hit the tax threshold and pay a dollar for dollar tax.
Oh, and then throw in the salaries for Acker and Blalock if we sign them, too.
Congrats Ben - for your years of service and hard work you're starting salary will be:
$8,000,000!
Thanks for playing. Make sure you don't visit Chicago on your way to the office.