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I think we all know how close Gore was to being president, and Nader being involved kept him from winning. I appreciate the idealism of a three-party system, but in reality, all he's doing is hurting the candidate with closest ideology of what he's fighting for. We'll just have to agree to disagree on the intelligence of him joining the race.
Better than the unmitigated disaster we have had for the last eight years.Quote:
Originally Posted by b-diddy
On Gore not being a "great campaigner", neither was Gdub. Gdub was probably more likeable, though, I'll give him that.
Howevah, Gdub and Gore ran at the height of the Republican monopoly of the press and airwaves. The Repulsican viewpoint was everywhere, and people seemed generally to be suffering from "Clinton Fatigue". I thought Gore did relatively well considering all that. Sheet, he won the popular vote!!! Bush had to wrangle the Florida thing with his friign' brother in control there!
You know who it was? Them fucking Buckeyes. Ohio ruins everything.
This helps Reps a lil bit, imo. Remember McCain is not getting the far right vote, he getting more of middle America, so Nader won't help as much for McCain as he would for a Romney type, imo.
Bloomberg would hurt the Reps though. He may still get in.
i thought gore was running only on clinton's record pretty much. people were upset with the man, but everyone recognized his tenure as a successful time in america. gore's goal was to claim the success and not the scandal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zip Goshboots
not easy, but not exactly the worst position to run for president (would have been alot easier without monica L).
the republicans were indeed energized, but had gore achieved his mission more successfully, or even found his own voice (like he did with AIT) bush was such a lightweight that gore probably would have won fairly easily.
the reason why bush won 2 terms is because the dems had terrible candidates both years. some might even use the word 'unelectable'. i dont like bush, but the man is atleast decent on the campaign trail.
Bush's campaign handlers >>> Gore/Kerry's campaign handlers
Gore appeared to be a HUGE douche, Bush appeared to be less of one.
What I feel happened in 2000 was that the American people became spoiled with cheap gas prices, soaring stocks, low unemployment etc... and they fell for the "bring honor and dignity to the white house" crap. They wanted cake with their ice cream. Now they have neither.
Nader is a tool. I hope he gets Pinto'd.
any system that discourages the supperior infavor of an inferior is doomed to fail.
ralph nader is the ultimate populist, fighting for the people's cause.
lobbyists are so far up the dems and republican's asses that its hard to say that system is working anymore. or atleast, working the way its supposed to be.
obama is running as some sort of reform candidate, and i think he will, to a point. but his change wont even register to what nader would do if he were elected.
people are so bought into this false choice between republicans and democrats that it doesnt bother them that these guys have made a million and one compromises and that their 'representatives' hardly represent their interests at all.
geerussell, why is nader a tool? was it his fight against the auto industry to force them to build cars that wouldnt roll over at any moment? his fight for cleaner water to drink and cleaner air to breath? etc, etc.
i feel like people complaining about nader, a guy that has spent his life fighting for the everyman, running for office is equivalent to slaves complaining about the guy who's trying to emancipate them.
why wouldnt you want him to atleast try?