Bubbles' official "Fuck y'all, Will Bynum owns" thread

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Originally Posted by yargs

I like Bynum. I like him a lot actually. In fact I like bynum infinitely more than I like stuckey. I'm coming close to hating how rodney stuckey plays basketball...he can't shoot, jump and makes poor decision after poor decision especially when it comes to shot selection. He thinks he's better than he actually is and shoots accordingly which hurts this team. I don't like guys whose main attribute is "getting to the free throw line" because it means they can't do the jobs themselves and need the refs to bail them out. Stackhouse was the same way. Hppefully he improves.

Yeah that drives me nuts too. There's no way an unproven 15th round pick in a detroit jersey is going to get the superstar calls that you need to get to justify playing like that. He should be trying to make baskets and then maybe hope for a foul as icing on the cake.

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Originally Posted by yargs

Anyway, I respect your comparison of bynum/gordon to zeke/dumars but, to me, it's a comparison in height only. Zeke was a much more talented and all-around point guard than bynum will ever be and I don't think you need me telling you this. You can't compare one of the best to ever play with a guy that's still learning how to survive in the NBA (but doing a great job learning how to survive).

Bynum isn't "learning" how to survive, he's there. I could see Bynum statistically duplicating Zeke's 91-92 season if given the minutes. That's about as far as that comparison goes in terms of impact though.

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Originally Posted by yargs

And Gordon is an undersized, one-dimensional shooter that if his shot isn't falling he becomes almost useless. He's not a good defender.

He's been proving that label wrong ever since he put on a Detroit jersey. He's still not Joe Dumars, but I don't think he deserves the bad defender label he has on him anymore either.

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Originally Posted by yargs

I like Bynum. I like his fight and how he's confident enough to close games. He is nearly unguardable off the dribble. But he is flawed, and some of these flaws are due to his size and how he scores points and how these flaws could be exposed in major minutes.

I like how bynum currently has a role that's been defined for him and he's excelling at it. I think the pistons need to focus on how to improve other areas before making changes to something that's currently working very well.

This is what I don't get. If LeBron James was a piston, and for some idiotic reason he came off the bench, then he would be a sparkplug too. That doesn't mean he is meant for that role. Now when you talk about a PG distributing the ball to team mates to get their rhythm early in a game you really have a problem. The pistons currently don't have anybody doing that. The only shooter who has consistently been making buckets is BG, and that's mainly because he's a sparkplug freak like that as well who doesn't need to warm up, find his rhythm or even be open.

As for the offensive worries, I don't see a problem there with Bynum. He's not the only PG who makes plays in the paint using his speed. The idea that defenses are going to close in and limit his effectiveness applies alot more to stuckey then it does him. When teams did that to Bynum he has made them pay for it.

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Originally Posted by WTFchris

The average height for NBA players is 1.5" higher now than in the 80's. I looked it up and posted this in another thread a few months ago. Facts are facts. How many starting PG's are there under 6' these days and how many starting SG's are 6'3" these days? That's the question that matters. You can't start Bynum next to Gordon with both undersized, and you can't start Stuckey at SG with his current range. Start Bynum/Gordan and see how many times you give up 40 to a bigger SG like Kobe.

Starting PG's 6'3" or bigger:
Williams, Kidd, Westbrook, Davis, Billups, Calderon, Arenas, Rose, Ellis

That's a third of the league. So what do you do against those guys? Bynum can't guard SG's so you can't slide Gordon over. What do you do when you play a 6'6" SG and Gordon gets owned?

Size does matter I'm afraid.

Why do you assume that just because Bynum is 6'0" he can't guard those guys? Only one or two of those guys have a back to basket game, but we're still yet to see anyone abuse Will in the post, and no one is just going to shoot over a guy who gets up as quick as Bynum does. Does his quickness and intensity count for nothing just because he's short?

Without being able to see Gordon this year, how is his defense? Can he hold his own against SG? My guess is no (based on Kobe's 40), but I'd like to know from those who have seen him all year. All I can go by is what I've seen before.

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Originally Posted by WTFchris

Without being able to see Gordon this year, how is his defense? Can he hold his own against SG? My guess is no (based on Kobe's 40), but I'd like to know from those who have seen him all year. All I can go by is what I've seen before.

Kobe scored 40 points on 29 shot attempts. Gordon wasn't the sole defender on him, or even the main defender on him. Not it matters anyways, there isn't a person in this league that Kobe can't torch.

So far this season Kobe has had a game of 41 points on 29 shots while being guarded by Josh Smith and Joe Johnson, 41 points on 30 shots being guarded by Ariza and 41 points on 30 shots being guarded by Mayo and Gay.

Outside of the impossible job of guarding Kobe, Gordon has been playing solid defense.

I agree that guarding Kobe is a problem for all players. That being said, if we want to win a title we need a guy that can check elite SG's in the playoffs. If Gordon is that guy, great. If not, we'll be in trouble (unless we move Stuckey and keep RIP starting). Getting lit up for 40 points isn't a big deal. Having it done over and over in a playoff series is a big deal.

BTW, here's an article comparing Bynum and Stuckey:
http://blog.mlive.com/fullcourtpress...g_the_det.html

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Originally Posted by WTFchris

BTW, here's an article comparing Bynum and Stuckey:
http://blog.mlive.com/fullcourtpress...g_the_det.html

That's not bad. Thanks.

He was kind to Stuckey by not focusing on this year, for sure.

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Originally Posted by Glan

That's not bad. Thanks.

He was kind to Stuckey by not focusing on this year, for sure.

career numbers are a big slap to bynum though. His time in Golden State was a joke, and it's nothing like the player he is right now at all.

I think there's somewhat more height exaggeration now than in the '80s. Back then, it seemed like mostly folks rounding up to be 6 or 7-footers.

FWIW, Will Bynum's draft measurements were 5.10.5" in flat feet, and a 41" vertical. :)

Good article Chris. Thanks for posting the link.

I think the biggest question I have after reading this thread is whether there is an effective way to have a rationale discussion with someone who is comparing Wil Bynum to Isiah Thomas?