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Originally Posted by Kilo

If Ben Wallace does leave, expect hatchet jobs from bought and paid for beat writers to quickly follow, if they don't pre-empt the official announcement. Ben Wallace will be blamed for the play-off mess, firing LB, trading Milicic and the fall of the Roman Empire and be labelled a whiny egomanic diva who divided the lockerroom and threatened to eat Flip Saunders children and wipe his ass with Old Man Money Bags members only jacket.

It's Tom Wilsons' way of doing business.

Truer words have never been spoken. On the payroll includes McCoskey, ASB and Rosenberg.

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Originally Posted by Kstat

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Originally Posted by Anthony

and if he leaves we're left with nothing except the MLE.

Yep, either way we lose.

Only way for us to win is for him to stop being a greedy bitch and accept the measly 50 million, or get a decent sign and trade.

Truthfully, I dont think he's even worth $50 million in a league that punishes good defense and almost forces you to put 5 guys that can score on the floor at one time.

It takes a lot of effort to read your posts and not get really insulting. Partially because you don't make any sense, contradicting yourself in the same thread numerous times, and because you seem to think you can character assassinate someone for trying to negotiate a better wage for themselves.

If either way we lose, what the hell is your argument?

And if he's being greedy, what do you call the Pistons, who have marketed the hell out of him? Do you think Ben gets a cut from Ben Wallace jerseys? From Ben posters? From Ben Wallace T-shirts? Is there a commission on every Afro sold?

Dallas was in the Finals with DeSagana Diop starting at Center. With a no-jump shot having Devin Harris playing 2 guard. Miami started Udonis Haslem who is strictly a set shooter and won the title.

What about Cleveland? They were a couple times within 2 points of going to the ECF. Would you call Drew Gooden a scorer? How about Eric Snow? Maybe the profilic and multi-versatile Flip Murray. :rolleyes:

Get a clue.

Defense is not an ancient myth. Not yet atleast. You can't be all offense. And we can't trade in our defensive identity to please the NBA. There is no pleasing the NBa. We arent a high market area and winning titles is not what they'd "prefer" to see for us. This pro offense crap has been going on the last 2 seasons. But even last season we got as far as we did because of defense. Our offense will not be the driving force that pushes us to a title, ever. And its utterly useless w/o our defense. on the flip side we can still win playoff games when the offense looks shady with defense. This year was supposed to be about adding an offense to our defense. not about the offense itself.

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Originally Posted by themicrowave

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Originally Posted by Kilo

If Ben Wallace does leave, expect hatchet jobs from bought and paid for beat writers to quickly follow, if they don't pre-empt the official announcement. Ben Wallace will be blamed for the play-off mess, firing LB, trading Milicic and the fall of the Roman Empire and be labelled a whiny egomanic diva who divided the lockerroom and threatened to eat Flip Saunders children and wipe his ass with Old Man Money Bags members only jacket.

It's Tom Wilsons' way of doing business.

Truer words have never been spoken. On the payroll includes McCoskey, ASB and Rosenberg.

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Originally Posted by Kstat

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Originally Posted by Anthony

and if he leaves we're left with nothing except the MLE.

Yep, either way we lose.

Only way for us to win is for him to stop being a greedy bitch and accept the measly 50 million, or get a decent sign and trade.

Truthfully, I dont think he's even worth $50 million in a league that punishes good defense and almost forces you to put 5 guys that can score on the floor at one time.

It takes a lot of effort to read your posts and not get really insulting. Partially because you don't make any sense, contradicting yourself in the same thread numerous times, and because you seem to think you can character assassinate someone for trying to negotiate a better wage for themselves.

If either way we lose, what the hell is your argument?

And if he's being greedy, what do you call the Pistons, who have marketed the hell out of him? Do you think Ben gets a cut from Ben Wallace jerseys? From Ben posters? From Ben Wallace T-shirts? Is there a commission on every Afro sold?

Dallas was in the Finals with DeSagana Diop starting at Center. With a no-jump shot having Devin Harris playing 2 guard. Miami started Udonis Haslem who is strictly a set shooter and won the title.

What about Cleveland? They were a couple times within 2 points of going to the ECF. Would you call Drew Gooden a scorer? How about Eric Snow? Maybe the profilic and multi-versatile Flip Murray. :rolleyes:

Get a clue.

good post.

it always amazes me how quickly people on here will turn on these guys.

remember when we fired rick carlisle? he was pretty popular before he was fired. now he's prick carlisle, and everyone hates him.

remember last summer when LB left, and how everyone just completely turned on LB--despite the fact that it was pretty obvious that both sides were at fault?

hell, even stackhouse got dirt thrown on him.

so i guess it shouldnt be surprising that people are turning on ben so fast.

go look at fps's post a few pages back, where he posted the article about ben's response to the pistons offer. fps said ben said "disrespected" in the post. ben never said that, not even close to what ben's quotes were in the article.

then you have guys like kstat calling ben greedy, saying he's sucking the franchise dry, and is a bad person for trying to negotiate a deal.

all the while, all these bs stories of what a problem ben was just keep coming out of the woodwork.

some of us (me) have been saying this would happen for a while. so im not surprised. just disapointed.

^look! Common sense!

I don't begrudge Ben for negotiating the best deal he can get.

However, to assume like the pistons owe his ass to comply is idiotic. He's a $7-9 million player that's going to sign somwehere for over $12 million.

I also have a very big problem with ben's attitude of late, and I don't know if his ego will allow him to be a team player anymore.

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Originally Posted by Kstat

I don't begrudge Ben for negotiating the best deal he can get.

However, to assume like the pistons owe his ass to comply is idiotic. He's a $7-9 million player that's going to sign somwehere for over $12 million.

I also have a very big problem with ben's attitude of late, and I don't know if his ego will allow him to be a team player anymore.

Pretty much... To me it's a combination of things that have happend lately. From the tantrum in Orlando. To the complaining about touches. To the inconsistant play all year, and looking uninterested for games at a time. Then he goes and plays like absolute garbage in the playoffs, and is "dissapointed" in being the richest MFer in Pistons history despite being past his prime. I just don't like how any of it has played out.

Give the guy a good deal like 50/4 yrs (overpaying by a good margin), and let him pick. If you give Ben some stupid 70+ mil contract over 4 years, we're just gonna face an even bigger problem when Chauncey's eyes light up at Ben's paychecks. You just can't do that. If being the highest payed player on the team isn't enough, then he can go. It's not like other teams are throwing massive deals at him. Chicago is the only "rumored" deal and it's about 3 million more than the Pistons.

LOl @ 7 mil per year. Thats awesome. The DPOY is worth a touch above the MLE.

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Originally Posted by Hermy

LOl @ 7 mil per year. Thats awesome. The DPOY is worth a touch above the MLE.

When the DPOY is the biggest offensive liability in the NBA, yes.

Well, everyone now knows you're stupid. Congrats.

Would you give Steve Nash the LLE? After all, he's the biggest defensive liaility in the league hands down.