Pistons sign Flip Murray (old thread)

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Originally Posted by Train Wreck

What exactly did people expect the Pistons to do? Of Course we are a worse team than last year after losing Ben Wallace but the fact is that we are a better team right now than we were when Ben announced he was leaving.

Flips good enough to start for a playoff team last year, played great for them down the stretch on a team that almost knocked us out of the playoffs but he's not good enough to sign for 1.7 million and try to help out possibly the worst bench in the league?

If he sucks, who cares? Put him on the bench with the rest of the players that make damn near close to the league minimum and play your precious savior Carlos Delfino.

It is laughable that anyone can look at this as a BAD signing. He's 26, has shown some flashes, and came cheaply. He has flaws but was the best player available at that price by far.

I leave this board for a few months come back and you all turn into a bunch of whiny bitches.

Preach on KStat

Woooohoooo TrainWreck:cool:

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i was 2 rows off the floor watching harris absolutely torch my wolverines not so long ago (or maybe it was).

You want a list of the amount of players that have torched the wolverines over the last few years?

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without seeing much at all of jason maxiel, will blalock, or cheek samb (lol), i can confidently say all three combined do not have the talent of devin harris.

That makes you ignorant. Not because it isn't true, but because you said that without watching them play.

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if you think i'd get more excited if i saw samb play, i question your judgment. theres not a chance in the world this samb charachter is making our roster this year, let alone contributes.

Nope. But add 50 lbs on to his frame, and he's Desagana Diop. He's got the same instincts.

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the fact you even mention him makes me wonder what kind of reality your living in.

I saw him play. What's your excuse?

You make fun of him because he's from senegal and has a funny name.

Joe didnt just pull his name out of a hat. This kid DOES have NBA-level skills. He's a fantastic weak-side defender, and he's got decent rebounding instincts. What's holding him back is the fact he lacks any strength whatsoever.

Add some bulk and he'll be very useful off the bench.

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Originally Posted by Train Wreck

What exactly did people expect the Pistons to do? Of Course we are a worse team than last year after losing Ben Wallace but the fact is that we are a better team right now than we were when Ben announced he was leaving.

Flips good enough to start for a playoff team last year, played great for them down the stretch on a team that almost knocked us out of the playoffs but he's not good enough to sign for 1.7 million and try to help out possibly the worst bench in the league?

If he sucks, who cares? Put him on the bench with the rest of the players that make damn near close to the league minimum and play your precious savior Carlos Delfino.

It is laughable that anyone can look at this as a BAD signing. He's 26, has shown some flashes, and came cheaply. He has flaws but was the best player available at that price by far.

I leave this board for a few months come back and you all turn into a bunch of whiny bitches.

Preach on KStat

Thanks.

Good to know I won't be fighting the entire board this season......

Fighting the entire board?

Whatever you say, Kstat.

For the BAE there was nothing out there better than Flip Murray. Maybe Rasual Butler, but apparently he's staying with the Hornets.

With the way the front office has performed lately I'm surprised they actually realised we had the BAE to use.

i dont like Flip, neither the coach nor the player...
at least Delk was an effective player when giving minutes... he could hit open shots, that's something Flip can't do...he might be more of a slasher but his shotselection is horrible...we were talking about Bonzi and Speedy before the offseason now we end up with Nazr and Flip...awesome...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2520208

Even more perfect for the Pistons was the price at which they got him. The Pistons originally offered the majority of their mid-level exception to Murray, but Murray hesitated to take it, hoping to get a more lucrative deal elsewhere.

"In the meantime, the Pistons found out that they were losing Ben Wallace and made Nazr Mohamed an offer. When Mohammed accepted, Murray was left without a big suitor.

In the end, the Pistons were able to fill both their needs -- adding a center to replace Wallace and adding some scoring punch to their backcourt."

majority of MLE ? lol? espn smokes too much shit

from a sonics fan:
When he starts, he is bearable. When he comes off the bench, you want to pull your hair out and scream. He's just awful. He can't shoot (occasionally he'll hit a 3 and some mid-range jumpers, but those are rare), he's not a great FT shooter, he should never be put into a PG role EVER, he was probably the worst defender on the Sonics last year, and the Sonics are FULL of bad defenders. I hope he doesn't hurt the Pistons, because I cheer for you guys in the east (probably the only east team I can actually watch and enjoy), but adding Flip...ugh, hope he's your 12th man next year.

Considering we won't ask him to be a jumpshooter (god knows we have too many of those already), or a perimeter stopper (Delfino? Lindsey? Shit even Blalock looks pretty good defensively), he should fit right in.

If all we ask of him is to put points on the board, he will do that better than any reserve on this team not names McDyess. I promise you. When he goes to the hoop, he's very consistent. His problem is his teams have used him poorly, with the exception of his stint in seattle where he got to play SG when Ray Allen was hurt.

Seattle tried to make him a point guard, and Cleveland tried to make him a sniper. He's not either of those things. Just simplify his role into attacking the paint, and he'll produce.

As for Delk, I liked him, but he was a jumpshooter, and he didn't compliment our team. If we needed a shooter, id agree that Delk would be the way to go, but we needed a player who plays better close in, and that's what Flip does.

If nothing else, he makes Dice's life a lot easier, because there will actually be defensive attention paid in the paint to a piston other than him now.

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Originally Posted by Kstat

Considering we won't ask him to be a jumpshooter (god knows we have too many of those already), or a perimeter stopper (Delfino? Lindsey?), he should fit right in.

haha, how do you assume that? Everyone on the roster from 1 to 15 has been turned into a jumpshooter by Flip (even when they aren't in the case of Delfino and Tayshaun specifically). What makes you think Flip will have this revelation and start using players to their strengths?

Just call me miss cleo cuz I can already see it. Lindsey standing with the ball on the perimeter with Tayshaun and Flip parked in the corners. They just stand and watch Lindsey dribble around the arc and force up a contested shot at the buzzer. Rinse and repeat.... Maybe he swings it over and lets Flip/Tay hoist up a few bricks.

With Lindsey running the point we are never going to have a good bench. There will always be those 10-15 minutes per game when it's just nasty, ugly, slop.

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haha, how do you assume that? Everyone on the roster from 1 to 15 has been turned into a jumpshooter by Flip (even when they aren't in the case of Delfino and Tayshaun specifically). What makes you think Flip will have this revelation and start using players to their strengths?

Um, he wasn't using our players to their strengths?

Rip, Chauncey, Lindsey and Sheed aren't jumpshooters?

Tay is the best post up option on the team, and we actually used him there more and more later in the season.

As for Delfino, he has himself to blame for that. He's had plenty of chances to attack the rim and settled for the jumper. But then again, Delfino's never at fault for ANYTHING.

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With Lindsey running the point we are never going to have a good bench. There will always be those 10-15 minutes per game when it's just nasty, ugly, slop.

You always assume the worst.

Lindsey won't be running shit next year at age 54. He'll be a situational sub like he was last regular season. Either Delfino or Blalock will run things, or most likely Joe will make a trade.

I agree with FP22 about Hunter. To me, right now Hunter is at BEST as our 3rd string point guard. He has gotten too old although his D and experience is appreciated. Only, we really need a solid backup point guard such as Marcus banks!

But who am I kidding...

We could not have signed Marcus Banks with the BAE. That was a pipe dream.

Shit, getting Murray was a miracle.

For all of Charlotte's posturing, I still think we'll be able to trade Dale+our 1st rounder in 2007 for Brevin Knight. Charlotte won't get a 1st round pick from anyone else.