Pistons sign Flip Murray (old thread)

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Originally Posted by b-diddy

i doubt anyone's rooting for this team to fail... i always have a blast in the playoffs, getting kegs at my place and having tons of people over. why wouldnt i want that? but i am pissed at this team (uber pissed) because its fucking up all over the place (flip isnt fucking up, but he leaves alot to be desired). the management group has lost any faith from me. im not going to get excited by flip murray. joe's going to have to be alot more clever than that to get me happy with this team again.

Folks were pissed when Dantley was moved for Aguirre but that move paid off fast. Trader Jack never stopped hustling the roster until he got hung up on saving William Bedford from a drug overdose and rehabbing him into a player. Still, for 8 years Jack hustled, bought low, drafted smart, traded high and tweaked endlessly.

Dice was a nice move but people conveniently forget that we lost Corliss and Memo that offseason. Derrick Coleman was a complete washout and salary dump. Then when we bring in Flip, he doesn't understand that motivating Darko is key to the future of the franchise, or that Delfino is one of Joe D's pet projects. He leaves a playoff starter in the last playoffs (Dice) to rot on the bench and alienates his DPOY.

Then this offseason, Joe puts it all in Ben's court but proudly proclaims that he has backup plans, and the 3 areas to work are FA, draft and trade. Admits that the draft will be a non-factor, but the other two are doable.

Well he just struck out in FA. Swung at a fastball low and away (Nazr) and nearly putted a ground ball (Murray). So now the spin will be that the (once again) disgruntled Delfino is the primary swingman backup, and the playoff choker Flip Murray is somehow an adequate backup with Hunter for Rip and CB. That all of the answers were always on the bench and the Pistons made soft moves because the bench was underutilized (no less by the same men who will tell us this).

Hey, we all have big emotional investments in this team, but it takes a real boob to not see that the roster has a lot less talent and experience than it did last offseason. And last year wasn't good enough. That will piss off the fans who live and die with this team like you and I for sure.

I'm pissed. Flip Murray is one of those players that should sit all summer and MAYBE get an invite to training camp. He's Bobcat material. If Blalock has any talent, why would you not backup Billups by committee and spend the BAE on a guy like Rasual Butler? A player who can score and has upside? If Delf goes sideways, there is a backup plan. Right now, if Delf sulks like a baby, our backup is Amir Johnson.

As it stands tonight, this team is maybe the 4th best in the East, and since I am probably underestimating 2 or 3 teams, it could be a squad starting the playoffs on the road. That's reality and it bites. So we vent and talk about it.

Hey, if this roster makes it to the ECF, I will personally wash Joe Dumars feet.

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Originally Posted by themicrowave

Hey, if this roster makes it to the ECF, I will personally wash Joe Dumars feet.

quoted for prosperity. ya never know..... :cool:

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Originally Posted by Matt

maybe it's because the Tigers won tonight, but i'm feeling optimistic :)

May the Nevitt bless your gentle soul. May his coming cleanse us of unhappiness and bring light to the bowels of the Palace. Let the wonder of the Nevitt wash away the grime of free agency leaving only the purity of on court performance for us to judge by.

You are a better fan than I for tonight Matt.

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Originally Posted by Matt

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Originally Posted by b-diddy

this team lost a 5 time allstar center and replaced him with 2 guys that their teams didnt even want anymore.

i hate to pull this card, but:

Chauncey, Rip, Sheed, and Ben = all guys that teams didn't want anymore. 4 teams gave up on Chauncey. Rip was replacing a 2 time all-star and Ben was replacing a 6 time all-star. Tayshaun was passed up by 22 NBA teams. nobody wanted anything to do with McDyess.

the NBA is full of guys that, at one point in their careers, weren't wanted by someone. i'm NOT saying that joe D's working his magic right now with Flip Murray or that he's even got any magic left........but i'm not playing cynical Piston fan without even seeing this team play a game with their new philosophies.

maybe it's because the Tigers won tonight, but i'm feeling optimistic :)

well, i wish i could agree with this. this sounds to me like the ramblings of sports radio where everyone passes around the koolaid.

theres a world of difference between our remaining 4 and nazr. i wont even bring flip into this. he's talented enough where you could actually make a case that he could break out with the pistons.

sheed wasnt a cast off (so to speak). no one ever doubted his talent. he was let go because of things like 'ctc'. he had worn out his welcome in portland.

chauncy was drafted 3rd. he was a pg where it took a while for him to get it (like with most young pgs). he wasnt a castoff either, im pretty sure minny wanted him back, but couldnt promise him the pt that the pistons could, which is why he chose us.

rip was an up and comer, and a 7th pick. while stack was almost universally regarded as better at the time, this was hardly picking up someone else's trash.

tay was a product of an era where the draft was upside down. (incidentally, anyone who doesnt think race plays a huge factor on how we judge players, want to defend dunleavy getting drafted 19 spots ahead of tay?).

but everyone knows all this stuff. we all also know exactly what we're getting in nazr. he's pretty much established himself as an nba player. and despite what the freep says about him, he is not 'a poor man's ben wallace with offense'. i dont think bill simmons would even label him 'a homeless man's ben wallace'.

Nazr was a starter on an NBA championship team.

If nothing else, it proves you can win games with him as your center.

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Originally Posted by themicrowave

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Originally Posted by b-diddy

i doubt anyone's rooting for this team to fail... i always have a blast in the playoffs, getting kegs at my place and having tons of people over. why wouldnt i want that? but i am pissed at this team (uber pissed) because its fucking up all over the place (flip isnt fucking up, but he leaves alot to be desired). the management group has lost any faith from me. im not going to get excited by flip murray. joe's going to have to be alot more clever than that to get me happy with this team again.

Folks were pissed when Dantley was moved for Aguirre but that move paid off fast. Trader Jack never stopped hustling the roster until he got hung up on saving William Bedford from a drug overdose and rehabbing him into a player. Still, for 8 years Jack hustled, bought low, drafted smart, traded high and tweaked endlessly.

Dice was a nice move but people conveniently forget that we lost Corliss and Memo that offseason. Derrick Coleman was a complete washout and salary dump. Then when we bring in Flip, he doesn't understand that motivating Darko is key to the future of the franchise, or that Delfino is one of Joe D's pet projects. He leaves a playoff starter in the last playoffs (Dice) to rot on the bench and alienates his DPOY.

Then this offseason, Joe puts it all in Ben's court but proudly proclaims that he has backup plans, and the 3 areas to work are FA, draft and trade. Admits that the draft will be a non-factor, but the other two are doable.

Well he just struck out in FA. Swung at a fastball low and away (Nazr) and nearly putted a ground ball (Murray). So now the spin will be that the (once again) disgruntled Delfino is the primary swingman backup, and the playoff choker Flip Murray is somehow an adequate backup with Hunter for Rip and CB. That all of the answers were always on the bench and the Pistons made soft moves because the bench was underutilized (no less by the same men who will tell us this).

Hey, we all have big emotional investments in this team, but it takes a real boob to not see that the roster has a lot less talent and experience than it did last offseason. And last year wasn't good enough. That will piss off the fans who live and die with this team like you and I for sure.

I'm pissed. Flip Murray is one of those players that should sit all summer and MAYBE get an invite to training camp. He's Bobcat material. If Blalock has any talent, why would you not backup Billups by committee and spend the BAE on a guy like Rasual Butler? A player who can score and has upside? If Delf goes sideways, there is a backup plan. Right now, if Delf sulks like a baby, our backup is Amir Johnson.

As it stands tonight, this team is maybe the 4th best in the East, and since I am probably underestimating 2 or 3 teams, it could be a squad starting the playoffs on the road. That's reality and it bites. So we vent and talk about it.

Hey, if this roster makes it to the ECF, I will personally wash Joe Dumars feet.

great post. you didnt even mention the great young talent on this team that isnt even getting it done in the summer leagues. we should atleast give them some time before we get down on this team? i dont think so.

did you know the pistons are actually raising ticket prices this offseason (from my understanding, season tix went way up)? thats alot of balls coming from bill davidson.

i've said this before, but: in 2004, i would have bet anything that this team had another championship in it, at the LEAST. suddenly, 2 quick years later and we're supposed to be happy about a team that will be happy to get out of the 2nd round? im just shocked.

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great post. you didnt even mention the great young talent on this team that isnt even getting it done in the summer leagues.

Devin Harris shot %15 from the floor in summer league last year.

He also averaged 5 turnovers.

If you actually SAW one of the games, you'd have a different opinion. I know I had a totally different view of Samb and Blalock after watching them in a full game.

THen again, maybe you wouldn't.

You're right. We should all give up and petition to fire Joe Dumars.
There's no reason to root for the Pistons at all anymore.

Let's all give up and become Bulls fans.

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Originally Posted by b-diddy

hey, at 1.7 im fine with this move.

but flip has some serious flaws with his game. he's not a shooter, or a finisher (as you call him), he's a scorer. and not an all that great of one, either. hes incredibly streaky. im not sure he has a very high bball iq.

the price is right, though. and he can put points up, which our bench desperately needs. and maybe he'll mature and this move will look like a steal.

but beyond that, this move doesnt make us suddenly a great team again (were you serious when you said this gets us back to the championship? im suddenly thinking you were).

Serious flaws? Exactly why we got him for 1.7 million. Out bench is horrible and this lovefest everyone has with Delfino is starting to get frightening. It would have been downright scary to go into next season with Delfino, Acker, and Hunter as the only backups for the guards and small forward

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Originally Posted by Kstat

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great post. you didnt even mention the great young talent on this team that isnt even getting it done in the summer leagues.

Devin Harris shot %15 from the floor in summer league last year.

He also averaged 5 turnovers.

If you actually SAW one of the games, you'd have a different opinion. I know I had a totally different view of Samb and Blalock after watching them in a full game.

THen again, maybe you wouldn't.

You're right. We should all give up and petition to fire Joe Dumars.
There's no reason to root for the Pistons at all anymore.

Let's all give up and become Bulls fans.

i was 2 rows off the floor watching harris absolutely torch my wolverines not so long ago (or maybe it was). if we had a young player of his calibre in our organization, i'd ride through his growing pains without complaining at all (see my stance on darko).

without seeing much at all of jason maxiel, will blalock, or cheek samb (lol), i can confidently say all three combined do not have the talent of devin harris. and even if i want to go into complete homer, streight off of watching amir's breakaway windmill dunk, drinking the koolaid mode, he's years off.

if you think i'd get more excited if i saw samb play, i question your judgment. theres not a chance in the world this samb charachter is making our roster this year, let alone contributes. the fact you even mention him makes me wonder what kind of reality your living in.

What exactly did people expect the Pistons to do? Of Course we are a worse team than last year after losing Ben Wallace but the fact is that we are a better team right now than we were when Ben announced he was leaving.

Flips good enough to start for a playoff team last year, played great for them down the stretch on a team that almost knocked us out of the playoffs but he's not good enough to sign for 1.7 million and try to help out possibly the worst bench in the league?

If he sucks, who cares? Put him on the bench with the rest of the players that make damn near close to the league minimum and play your precious savior Carlos Delfino.

It is laughable that anyone can look at this as a BAD signing. He's 26, has shown some flashes, and came cheaply. He has flaws but was the best player available at that price by far.

I leave this board for a few months come back and you all turn into a bunch of whiny bitches.

Preach on KStat