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Originally Posted by Tahoe
pennsavania??? who's the fucktard?
edit: normally, i don't care about spelling, but Pennsavania is pretty fucking stupid.
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Originally Posted by Tahoe
pennsavania??? who's the fucktard?
edit: normally, i don't care about spelling, but Pennsavania is pretty fucking stupid.
Considering Bush was elected then re-elected, you can't place too much stock in the Re"bub"lican party. The average IQ of a typical Southern Bible Belt cattlehead is about 21, and can easily be manipulated to spew all kinds of hateful shit.
In fact, I'm OK with all of those Nazi signs. The rest of America is LOL-ing those backwards fucks.... then ignoring them, just as they always should have.
What I don't understand, is what is the 'debate' even for? Michael Steele said it yesterday, that if Obama wants to pass healthcare, he can go ahead and do it without any Republican support at all. They have the necessary votes and with reconciliation, they only need 50 votes in the Senate to pass a bill.
There is nobody to blame on the right. George W. Bush, Boehner, McConnell, Cheney, Fox News---none of these people have the ability to directly influence legislation with the current majorities the Dems hold in both the House & Senate.
So what this tells me, is that these townhall debates are to convince MODERATE DEMOCRATS (Blue Dogs) not the American right. If Obama can't convince them (which he isn't) then it proves how far to the left he's reached.
Cap-and-tax, single payer healthcare, cardcheck---these are 3 pieces of signature legislation that he campaigned hard on that moderates are just not going to go for.
It's panic time in the WH.
Now given my above post, it's now easy to see why Obama is working so fast. Between the stimulus, omnibus bill, healthcare, cap-and-trade, card check, GM bailouts...he only has a 2 year window to act on these things.
He's not going to have these types of majorities after the mid-term elections. Republicans should be able to pick up at least 20+ seats in the House and maybe 2-3 senate seats come 2010.
So I can't blame him for working fast. This may be his only shot to lay the groundwork for his 'progressive' (lol) empire.
The longer the "debate" goes on, the more money the lobbyists dump into the coffers of moderate Democrats.
Follow the money. Everything else is a smokescreen.
Oh, and Obama campaigned for public option, not single payer. But by all means, keep rewriting history in your own image. It's amusing.
Moderate Democrats aren't going to let Obama take them down. If they get on board, the 'Blue Dogs' will pay for it with their job in the 2010 elections.
Besides, the majority of the lobbying is going to come from private health insurance companies anyway, since they have the deeper pockets.
And it's not rewriting history--anyone with a pulse knows Obama desires a single-payer system. There is no Mxy, that you could possibly be naive enough to think that the "If you like your doctors, you can keep them" bullshit Barry campaigned on was actually legit.
The Obama gov't can't even run Cash for Clunkers efficiently, so why the fuck should I believe they can effectively run health care?
Overreaching. It's going to have it's consequences. Haven't we seen this act play out before...??
1992- Clinton goes in office with Congressional majorities
1993- Hillarycare Proposed, Delayed (just like it is now)
1994- Republicans take back majorities in the House & Senate
Deja Vu.
Typical lib, can't deal with the message, so finds a way to attack someone. We see the same thing every day.Quote:
Originally Posted by xanadu
Seriously, I don't care what you think, what you post, what you have to say about anything. You are a total douche.
A few problems with your post, Wil....
1) The economy is beginning to recover (DJIA at 9500, and rising). Though it'll take some time to trickle that down to the job sector, Obama (like any prez should) will take full credit for the recovery, and people will believe him. And with his virtual campaigns in full swing (five emails from his cronies in four days) and hordes of die-hard followers, I don't think it's going to be a problem.
2) I have personal health care. A lot of people have personal health care. Are we going to lose our personal health care if this reform passes? Probably not. I'll still pay monthly for my benefits.
3) "Socialized" medicine isn't going to be for everybody, only those who can't afford it. Would you rather have the poor hitting the ER daily with headaches, coughs, and bruises, completely taxing the system (and not paying a dime for it), or a basic social plan that, if done right, could help curb this problem?
4) It's been talked about for quite a while. Perhaps NOW is the right time to do it. If you'd like to remain stuck in the past, there's a wonderful little town in Mississippi that's all white, with nothing but tube TV's and solid state transistor radios, and CocaCola only comes in a bottle. No, wait... that's ALL of Mississippi. They're waiting for you. BYOWS.
I'm sure Obama wants to cure cancer too, but that doesn't mean that he campaigned on it. He campaigned on the public option to the chagrin of Hillary and her (swiped from Edwards) mandate-for-all bullshit. He indicated during the campaign that if he started from scratch, it'd probably be single payer, but he's not starting from scratch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilfredo Ledezma
Humor me -- what's the mechanism by which I'd lose access to my doctor? And what makes you think that you really have a choice? As things stand now, your doctor chooses you at least as much as you choose your doctor. The couple times I've been admitted to a hospital through the ER, I sure as hell wasn't in a position to choose a doctor, or tie my shoes.
There is TOO a Mxy. He scares me in the mirror every day. :)
The only time a doctor decided not to treat me was when he wanted to check my prostate and told him I read on the internets that it could be done with a simple blood test. He was still putting the glove on and I told him stick his finger up his own ass. He looked startled and left the room. The nurse came in and told me the appt was over. I got a call that the doc dropped me.
typical conservative is to ignore all the crazy shit bush did and then get hysterical over every little thing that obama does. ignore that bush used terror alerts for political gain, but throw a fit because obama made an appeal to religious leaders about health care. that is totally irrational and demonstrates how silly your arguments are. it is actually to fun watch you throw a fit over every little thing obama. it is like the posting equivalent of a woman on pms throwing a tantrum about nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe
LMAO...look in the mirror you whinny little bitch. You fucking cried like a baby about Bush.Quote:
Originally Posted by xanadu
You are pathetic.
I complained about bush starting a bullshit war that has killed thousands of people, fucking up the katrina response, instituting a torture regime, spying on Americans, wrecking the economy, etc. you cry about obama asking religious leaders to support his health care plan or because some union member got in a fight with a health reform protester. if you don't see the difference, there is nothing i can do to help you.
Incredible.Quote:
Originally Posted by xanadu
Good day
It is quite an offense when one man won't let another put his finger in his ass. I don't blame him one bit for not wanting to talk to you anymore, doctor or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe
LOL @ BO just because he's fuckin fucktard and prolly will end up making Carter look like a good Prez.
He's fuckin everything up and we're just 9 months in. Say goodbye to America.
It does look like peeps are waking up to this douche though. As his poll numbers drop, handling of health Care numbers drop, and his douche rating numbers are on the rise.
LOL @ "saying goodbye to America" after 9 mos. Of Obama after 8 years of Bush making his buddies and daddy's buddies even richer while totally abusing the power of the office.
Normally I take your political posts with a massive grain of salt, but that's a ridiculous post.
Ridiculous to you, not to many Americans.
BTW...Remember y'all doing the 'Clinton isn't in office anymore' thing?
Well, neither is Bush.
^ Republicans are politicians and are too scared to do much of anything. That shouldn't be an elephant, it's Americans that don't want our Gov't running health care.
Also, lol @ bo....I haven't heard anything he did today, but you know he worked on fucking some else up.
http://www.theonion.com/content/news...nion_rss_dailyQuote:
WASHINGTON–In the continuing controversy surrounding the president's U.S. citizenship, a new fringe group informally known as "Afterbirthers" demanded Monday the authentication of Barack Obama's placenta from his time inside his mother's womb. "All we are asking is that the president produce a sample of his fetal membranes and vessels—preferably along with a photo of the crowning and delivery—and this will all be over," said former presidential candidate and Afterbirthers spokesman Alan Keyes, later adding that his organization would be willing to settle for a half-liter of maternal cord plasma. "To this day, the American people have not seen a cervical mucus plug, let alone one that has been signed and notarized by a state-certified Hawaiian health official. If the president was indeed born in the manner in which he claims, then where is his gestation sac?" Keyes said that if Obama did not soon produce at least a bloody bedsheet from his conception, Afterbirthers would push forward with efforts to exhume the president's deceased mother and inspect the corpse's pelvic bone and birth canal.
That's disgusting, but not too far from the truth.
423 NOT Political news....but ISWYADT
this isn't the political news thread, dumbassQuote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe
I don't get this post. Do you live in Glendale?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe
http://www.reuters.com/article/polit...5850B020090906Quote:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A White House environmental policy adviser who specialized in "green jobs" resigned on Sunday after an uproar over his previous affiliation with a September 11 conspiracy group.
Van Jones, special adviser on green jobs at the White House Council on Environmental Quality, apologized on Thursday after videotape surfaced of him using a crude epithet to describe Republicans and amid revelations he had signed a petition suggesting U.S. government involvement in the 2001 attacks in New York and Washington.
^ what a douche...both of them.
Glandale Denny, Glandale.Quote:
Originally Posted by DennyMcLain
What a radical piece of shit this guy is. bejeezus kreist this guy is incredible.
What the fuck are you talking about this time, Tahoe? You're not Nelson the bully from The Simpsons. You can't just say "ha ha" and everyone chuckles.
Another thread being blighted by the disease known as Tahoe Obscura...
BTW...whats bo doing with Iran? NK? We are at war in Iraq and Afghan and I haven't heard much, if anything, about them lately.
He must have a czar for those issues too.
Speaking of Czars...y'all are losing credibility by not jumping all over the czar thing. If Bush would have done the czar thing...OMFG y'all would have shat yourselves and had a political hernia over it.
I can't wait for the next Repub Prez and I hope he goes Czar crazy, then listen to the whinning.
Rumsfeld and Cheney got enough press lol.
"Tahoe Obscura" sounds like it might be related to "Tila Tequila"
"Czar" is just a silly title, nothing to get too worked up over. But I'm sure that won't stop you, so carry on...
On second thought, "czar" is scary as hell!
Sounds like something the Russkies might have come up with as an evil plot to defeat capitalism.
Fuck Czars.
Yeah!! Good thing we've never had any in this country!
You're goddamn right!
Well, it allows a Prez to appoint peeps without any questioning by our Gov't...see Sen Byrd (D) on that.
So we get racists, communists and who knows what else in our Govt without them being approved or elected.
What a fucktard thing to do, imo. Mr T doesn't live up to the T once again.
^ Thats the kind of shit y'all have accused Bush of and your own guys is doing it, but its crickets. Credibility?