Keep drinking. The answer to most profound questions usually become clear to me after 12 or 13 beers and a couple of shots of whiskey. The problem is I can never remember the damn answers once I sober up . . . . .
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Keep drinking. The answer to most profound questions usually become clear to me after 12 or 13 beers and a couple of shots of whiskey. The problem is I can never remember the damn answers once I sober up . . . . .
No shit! Man, I can;t believe I forgot the whiskey. I'll dribble a bit of tequila in my beer. By the way, I'm drinking Miller Chill tonight. Good stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by giffman
I foget all the smart shit I conjure up when I'm sloshed too.
That's why I have three kids.
i prefer some cheep wine. 3 buck chuck maybe. w/ all the health benefits associated with red wine, i cant afford not to be drinking it.
Zip, I don't mean my "those answers are easy to look up" responses to imply I'm simply saying "If you only knew." I mean them to say that since I was voicing the Christian side of this discussion, the Christian answers to questions like "why did God do what he did" are VERY easily found on your own. If you don't want/haven't wanted the bother of finding them (and "find" is really an overstatement here) then I am guessing you don't really care about that version of the answers, meaning its pretty pointless for me to list them.
If you are looking for something other than the Christian answer to "why did God do what he did", the logical answer would seem to be "he chose to but did not have to, since he's God and all" while the philosophical answer (one of them) would be "his nature made it neccessary for as God he can only act in one way and that is in accordance with his nature (otherwise he ceases being God)."
What I don't mean to come off as is a guy who thinks he has all the answers because that guy doesn't exist. I am happy to play the Christian role in this discussion however and give that type of reply to the best of my ability.
Swami, as for the limited nature of your voicing of the Christian creed. To your message I would add the following (yours in the orginial italics, mine in bold): Jesus is God. You are a sinner, and Jesus is the Savior, who spares you from hell only because of His Grace. You may pray to Him, and furthermore you may hope that you correctly interpret His answer, if He is so inclined to give one. But you are only weak flesh, and the best you can hope for is to experience disappointment and suffering all your life, and find transformative bliss in the afterlife. God is love and forgives all things. All are equal in his eyes so be not ashamed of your past deeds nor your future failings. Love thy neighbor as thy self and strive to be as loving as you can be. Make the essence of your life the striving to help others be as loving as they can be. You stated, following your description, "Rarely does anyone ever stop to think: how is this actually helping?" I would reply that maybe there are some (and perhaps even a great deal) who do not critically question the merit of the message they follow, but its extremely arrogant and I believe incredibly wrong to believe that almost none do so (that your are alone or almost alone in your meta-analysis). Such a statement displays an incredibly low opinion of the make up of an awful lot of people.
My brother is a big fan of the idea of all possible universes existing concurrently with each other. Just thinking about that is fun. Think of all the movements you make in a day and all the different ways those movements could have been different in even terribly insignificant ways. Resting a hand on your lap instead of the arm of the chair. Then thinking of the stream of existence from that altered movement going off to colide with a different reality or even the one your experienced (since changing the resting place of your arm doesn't seem like it would effects much other than requiring an entirely knew stream of reality for a time). Then thinking of all those different types of reality weaving in and out of each other and a mind riding through them like a surfer on a wave.
Yikes, i walked into the wrong thread. I've had my many discussions with most of the Religion grudge having people here awhile back(not counting the new ones). So I'll step out after I say that being anti religious can be obsessive and extreme in its own right. It also leaves alot of people just as self righteous and religious extremists they strictly use as their justification. seems pretty circular to me.
This thread was a pretty good read. Thanks for sharing your intellect. :)
P.S. Drinking alcohol is one of the worst creations ever.
Zip - I suspect you have a problem with the Christians that look down upon people that don't believe in exactly what they do, and you assume that most, if not all Christians do just that (at least that's what I got from you calling me out in the other thread). You think that Christians are as hard headed as they are misguided.
However, I do believe there are a lot of Christians, Muslims, Athiests, Jews out there who respect whatever opinion you have on religion. Though I believe in certain things, I do not assume everything I believe is the truth. That's why they're beliefs and not facts. I hope I'm correct, and I believe I am, but I don't walk around making sure everyone thinks exactly what I do. I have no problem with your feeling that religion is a sham, that you are angry at people that believe in any religion. The only thing that irritates me from time to time is the fact that you get expressively annoyed that people have other opinions than your own. If you think we're misguided that's fine, but don't get frustrated that we don't see it your way. Doesn't that make you exactly the thing that you hate? I can't stand the "Christians" and "Muslims" that get angry when you state your opinion and don't agree with theirs. THOSE PEOPLE are the real problem, and even the reason wars exist.
You've stated before that wars start because of religion. I agree and disagree. Wars start because of thick-headed people that want everyone to have their same opinion, and religion just happens to be what they hold on to. If there wasn't religion, it would be something else: politics, food, Cavs fans... Religion isn't the problem, religion is the excuse.
Basically, don't get mad for people believing in something you don't, because you're doing exactly what pisses you off in the first place.
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Nicely stated, MoTown.