Arroyo deserves a watch thread more than darko.
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Arroyo deserves a watch thread more than darko.
I stand corrected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rorschach
I meant to type that Arroyo, who is 1 foot shorter than Darko, had FIVE TIMES the amount of rebounds that Darko had last night. Not twice. FIVE TIMES.
BUT HE WENT 5-8 FOR 11 POINTS!!! Oh yeah, and 1 vicious block.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taymelo
ONLY I CAN USE CAPITAL LETTERS.
GET YOUR OWN SCHTICK!
just think if he could rebound!!...... acctually he would probably still be a piston if he could rebound [smilie=annoyed.gif]
I'm sure the 7'1 or 7'2 forward/center will add rebounding to his repertoire - - - the same year Ben Wallace becomes an 80% free throw shooter.
Hm....
Dwight Howard is a stud.
Rebounding is a timing issue and you can only work on developing that with playing time. Also maybe Dwight Howard is eating up all the rebounds down low?? I dunno, I'm not watching the games. I just think some here need Milicic to fail so they can still genuflect at the altar of Joe Dumars.
It's ridiculous to point to Arroyo's rebounds and compare them to Milicic's because Arroyo's rebounds very likely lopng rebounds and thus were out of the reach of any post player - it's not like Arroyo was banging for position with all the bigs in the low post and came up with the board.
Dwight Howard had 19 rebounds, Trevor Ariza crashes the boards like few other sf's had eleven - I'm thinking there wasn't too many loose boards to go Milicic's way.
Also who put Dalembert in foul trouble?? Howard or Milicic??
Need him to fail. Naw i think some here need him to do well in order to satisfy their craving of what ifs. the same what ifs they wasted on rodney white.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilo
orlando killed 76ers on the boards. but maybe darko should wrestle rebounds away from his teammates so that detractors cant use rebounds against him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taymelo
again, people went from:
he cant play, to
he can put up stats, but his team gets murdered while he's on the court, to
a very crappy team can win with darko playing 20 minutes a game (but a team with 4 allstars cant), but he doesnt grab rebounds from his teammates.
ps: franchise will still get you more wins (on a team of nobodys) than howard, this year. not saying theres a team in the league that would take franchise over howard, but this year, atleast, howard cant carry a team like franchise could.
Have you finalized the sale of your house, car, and porn stash yet to continue your cling-on Darko expedition? Just move to Orlando already. You'd think there would be more important and passionate issues to you like world peace and onionbooties. [smilie=alpaca.gif]Quote:
Originally Posted by b-diddy
Darko put up some really solid numbers, but managed to foul out in 26 minutes of play.
BDiddy and Kilo:
If I can be a Darko basher who is capable of acknowledging that he's a damn good shot blocker - without making excuses for why he's a damn good shot blocker, why can't you be a Darko supporter who is capable of acknowledging that he's a damn crappy rebounder - without making excuses for why he's a damn crappy rebounder?
Perhaps it has nothing to do with his first 3 years in Detroit.
Perhaps it has nothing to do with conditioning.
Perhaps he's just not a very good rebounder.
Not every tall player is even an average rebounder, let alone a good one. Many tall players are downright crappy at it.
Perhaps he's a tall guy who will always suck at rebounding, ala Cliff Robinson?
Or will it always be Larry Brown's fault when he's beat out for a board for the rest of his career?
Why would you have to make excuses why he is a good shot blocker?? Because he's 7'1" with freakishly long arms?? Because he looks to block every shot, leaving him out of position to grab a rebound?? That he jumps to swat everyshot and picks up needless fouls??
Could it be that his coach tells him his role is to go for the block and Howard and Ariza will clean up the boards??
I do agree that some guys just have a natural knack for rebounding, but I also believe that Milicic will improve his rebounding with playing time as he gets a feel for playing.
Milicic is averaging 4.4 boards in 20mpg - not anything to write home about, but not putrid either - especially if that's not his role.
http://wtfdetroit.com/viewtopic.php?...ghlight=arroyoQuote:
Originally Posted by Rorschach
unlike what it may appear, i dont have an agenda. i'm not a 'darko supporter'. i never said when he was a piston (or since he's been with the magic) that he would make it or wouldnt.
i've merely said that we gave up on him way too early, and that the trade sucked for us.
since he's gotten to orlando, i think his play has been great for what the expectations should have been.
i dont see the point of harboring on the negative with darko. he doesnt rebound particularly well (yet), he probably doesnt rotate on defense like he should (yet). he probably doesnt do alot of things as well as you would like (yet). but in 25 games he'll have played as many minutes for the magic as he played for detroit in 3 years. thats what pisses me off.
i think people underestimate how important a #2 pick can be. in piston history, i think we've had 2 #2 picks (bing and zeke) and a #3 pick (hill), and then we had darko. if detroit didnt want to develop darko (thats what it boils down to), joe should have traded him a while ago, and for something more than what probably will end up being a mid first rounder.
the whole situation is a joke. people say joe was in a no win situation, but thats not what it was 3 years ago. he fucked up big time, and if joe wasnt so good in other areas, i'd say he deserves to be fired.
And bush has no agenda in Iraq. [smilie=applause.gi:Quote:
Originally Posted by b-diddy
newsflash B-diddy. His lazy ass gave up on us. When you get that part of the equation then you'd stop with all the agenda. And the agenda to try to make it look like we missed out is darko supporter/dreamer/fan club all the way. We didnt miss shit. He tanked out to get traded. His mind was made up, and it wasnt worth kissing his ass in hopes that he stayed.
There is no "we missed out". If darko woulda played like he wanted to be here and not thrown a "i'm not going to try anymore because this aint enough minutes" tantrum. We woulda kept him inspite of any naysayers.
In the end Darko=Bitchmade and i'm glad to see his bratty elementary school ass go. i dont regret people being gone that don't wanna be here at all*see nightmare*, nor do i think of regret when they are posting role player at best stats on a team that can't hold a candle to us. Orlando's success=jameer nelson taking over at the point along with arroyo, dwight howards amazing abilities that dwarf darkheads, and stevey francise's ballhogging ass out of the mix. if you took stevie franchise and stephon marbury and replaced them with 2 prototypical pg willing to get everyone involved, the knicks would win more games for sure. I dont think i've seen either guy make a team better.
no surprise, theres no reasoning with you.
not if the reasoning involves we gave up on darko or we should regret dumping him. neither one of those are true. you dont regret dumping people that wanted to leave and you can't give up on a player that already gave up on trying to be a part of this team via lazy ass tanking it out purposely.Quote:
Originally Posted by b-diddy
Call me crazy, but i prefer players like Delfino who bust their asses on the court even when their minutes have jumped up and down. Instead of guys who tank you into trading them in the same situation(i.e. darko).
well, i'll stop mentioning every time darko has a good game, but i will mention that theres a decent chance our first round matchup is going to be darko milicic and the magic. 8-3 in the last 11 games, with philly sinking like a stone and no one else exactly making a run at it.
with just 11 games left, chances are they wont make it.
throughout every sport, the best way for a player to break out has been for him to get an opportunity to prove himself without having to constantly look over his shoulder. our very own chauncy billups is a prime example of this. we very well could be seeing milicic do the same, too bad its with another team.
you know i ve always been a darko supporter for the most time ;)
good to see hes doing well, no hard feelings here...they should have left him in europe some more years so he could grow up...well i can understand pistons fans are tired to talk about darko, coulda, shoulda, he s gone time to move on and hope we ll get a nice guy next year with the orlando pick....still i dont believe he will ever be an allstar or lead the magic toward anything
Darko had his best game as a pro tonight.
He was on the floor in the 4th quarter at Chicago and sparked the Magic comeback. His defense in the post helped hold Chicago to 11 fourth quarter points.
27 minutes
6-12 FG
12 points
8 rebounds
4 blocks
2 PF
1 TO
8. Philly --Quote:
Originally Posted by b-diddy
9. Chicago 1.5 GB
10. Boston 4 GB
11. Orlando 5 GB
12. Toronto 6.5 GB
It is possible, not likely though. But before the trade I would have said it was impossible. But since Orlando got Jameer Nelson back and Pat Garrity went down to a mysterious injury they've been playing great basketball.
Nevermind, Pat Garrity is back and put up this beautiful statline:
05:38 0-2 0-2 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
It would be a shame if he got the 4th big man spot over Bo Outlaw. Bo has really given them a lift.
Darko looked good today. He really is a great defensive presence in the paint. His jumper still sucks, and he still loves to let rebounds go that bounce off his hands, but he did a lot of things better than usual. He really was abusing anyone who was on him down low. Had a few hook shots in the post, and got in position for a few nice dimes for dunks/layups.
It did take a monumental collapse for them to win though. From the FT line, from the field, everything.
OK, the excuse list just got beyond ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilo
We're all dumber for having read that.
Whorelando making the playoffs would be great. First off Sheed can abuse Darko. Second, it makes their pick this year suck, so hopefully they can sink back down next year and give us a good pick.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKelly
Orlando beats the Mavs - and Darko has another below average game.
Darko is nothing more than a good luck charm...
The knock before was that Darko's stats didn't matter because Orlando was losing, now Orlando is winning, but that doesn't matter because Milicic has a bad game. Add another five rebounds and 15 more minutes of PT and his line would look like some Ben Wallace lines put up this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taymelo
so wheres our second ring?Quote:
Originally Posted by robcat911
he's a lazy brat. but good luck charm? nope. the magic's to young pick ups are just proving their worth in jameer nelson and dwight howard. Jameer has been damn good. And arroyp has been a pretty solid substitute for him to stay fresh.
OK, here's an interesting twist to this thread.
Why don't we turn this into a poll, with the question being why is it that Darko has substantially improved his scoring, maintained his superb shot blocking skills, but still hasn't learned how to rebound better than Earl Boykins with a broken leg.
Is it lack of effort/desire?
Lack of experience?
Lack of skill?
I, for one, am going to vote for lack of effort/desire, because shot blocking and rebounding are both about timing. Shot blocking doesn't take a lot of work. Rebounding does. He has the timing to be a great shot blocker, so he should have the timing to be a great rebounder. He simply doesn't want to get his hands dirty and FIGHT for the rebound.
Thoughts?
Darko rebounds like Theo Ratliff.
If that were the worst of his problems, he'd still be a Piston.
What happened to our boy last night in his season finale? Was he just hiding in the corner of the court puffing on a cig?
One might say it was a fluke, but here's the game prior to that:Quote:
13 mins.
0/4 FG
1/2 FT
0 Reb
0 Asst
0 TO
0 Stl
0 Blk
0 PF
1 Point
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19 mins.
2/8 FG
0/0 FT
1 Reb
0 Asst
0 TO
0 Stl
1 Blk
0 PF
4 Points
our current crop of young guys, in delfino, amir, and maxiell are MUCH more promising in their flashes of brilliance that Darko ever was here. good riddance to pornstache rubbish.
Being careful not to break his hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
i said that when he bolted(and yes i look at it as bolting when you try to get traded). The only reason this fuck gets attention is because of where we drafted him. but who says that Amir and maxiell wont work out better?Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt
i wonder how far this obsession with darko goes w/o his #2 pick status? probally NOWHERE!
It's because he's a ferner. People went crazy about Memo and are starting to lose their minds about Delfino.
thats bullshit. no one i know went crazy about losing memo(it was expected and accepted). and theres nothing crazy going on about delfino. Muthafuckas think darko is the next big thing. thats something totally different. honestly has less to do with your foreign agenda and more to do with justifying a #2 pick. I dont give a shit about justifying that pick. its some oh well shit. not going to make or break us.
Diddy is the one with the ferner agenda.
He's trashed every foreign player Joe drafted. And I'm not talking a little bit of trash talk.
I'm talking WOD v Mikey, TerrorDome only kind of trashing. The kind of trashing you'd pay money to read.
Diddy ripped into Memo like Shaq rips into burgers.
Maybe Ronzone fucked his Mom, or mabe even fucked his Dad but for some reason WOD hates the foreign kids.
Memo had a fine season, Delfino has shown flashes.
Darko? Time will tell. He's shown flashes of being capable and also shown signs of being shit.
I want to be around for the day ONE foreign kid drafted by Joe actually gets Diddy's endorsement.
It might take a while but eventually it has to happen.
Doesn't it?