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Pistons sign free-agent F Hayes
August 16, 2007

DETROIT (TICKER) -- The Detroit Pistons signed forward Jarvis Hayes on Thursday.

Terms of the deal were not disclosed.

"We are pleased to add Jarvis Hayes to our roster," Pistons president Joe Dumars said. "Jarvis has proven himself as a solid NBA player over the last four seasons, and we like the flexibility and depth he will bring to our team at the small forward position."

Hayes, 26, averaged 7.2 points and 2.6 rebounds in a career-high 81 games with the Washington Wizards last season. He has averaged 8.9 points, 3.4 rebounds and 1.3 assists in 226 games over three seasons - all with the Wizards.

It was supposed to be a more stellar career for Hayes, who was drafted 10th overall by Washington in the 2003 draft.

The 6-8 Hayes will join a deep frontcourt in Detroit which already includes Rasheed Wallace, Jason Maxiell, Antonio McDyess and Ronald Dupree.

any guesses on the $$? im pretty suprised, and pleased by this move. dont know his game, but washington thought he was worth #10, and atleast we're out there. we still had an obvious hole at the 3, i didnt for a minute think we could rely on aflalo to backup tay.

Hopefully this is for the veteran's minimum.

This is good news, it would appear.

I'm surprised as well.

Tremendous scorer... Sweet jump shot... Good athlete... Just average ballhandling skills... Injury prone.

Got that from HoopsHype.

Offensively he is alright, but I'm not sure he should get minutes ahead of Afflalo. But, he is an upgrade over superdupe.

I fuckin love Jarvis Hayes

Wow, nice move. I like his game. Won't be a game changer for us, but he's a good piece for sure.

Finally we can focus our bitching on the center position.

great move

I love fuckin Jarvis Hayes


that's weird.

not if you know regicide

I think Hayes just may be the ticket to a seven game series loss in the ECF.

Tremendous scorer... Sweet jump shot... Good athlete... Just average ballhandling skills... Injury prone.

Got that from HoopsHype.
They killed themselves on the first statement. He's aspot up jump shooter who can't play defense. WooHoo. I could care less. But its not like there was anything else floating out there. so no risk move if we signed him cheap.

I love this signing. A legit back-up SF. Can you believe it?

They killed themselves on the first statement. He's aspot up jump shooter who can't play defense. WooHoo. I could care less. But its not like there was anything else floating out there. so no risk move if we signed him cheap.

Its not like they needed a defensive specialist seeing as that's both Tayshaun and Afflalo's specialty.

that's weird.

nice grizz, thanks for flippin my words

This will be our best pick from that 2003 draft! Someone actually born in the US even!

40% Fg% is pretty weak from the 3. I know the man takes a lot of 3s but that is weaksauce. I guess having this dude will allow Tay to play off the dribble more as his backup will be fulfilling the chukker role from the SF position.

i dont know what everyone's worried about, another chucker should fit right in w/ flippidy-do-da's offense.

besides, its not like were trying to win championships anymore.

am i incorrect in saying that this officially ends the c-web era in detroit? the king is dead! long live the king!

The C-Webb era sure was memora...err, no it wasn't.

actually it looks to me that he is our 16th k. unless one of our off the bench walking corpses was officially pronounced dead, this must mean the pending: 1) hunter retirement, 2)flip M trade; 3) cutting of sammy, iron cheik, or ronald " i cant afford a dvd player" dupree.

ill be on pins and needles until i find out who joe voted off. im thinking its over for sammy. it'd be pretty hard to believe that two depaulians made nba rosters.

The C-Webb era sure was memora...err, no it wasn't.


oh i dont know. his consecutive game scoreless streak was pretty enjoyable.

i also really, REALLY, enjoyed his game winning tip in against the bulls (reg season) which led to k-stat officially pronouncing him clutch and having made amends for years of choking in ncaa's and pro ball.

seriously, im not even making that up. of all the great sports courses i know of, im pretty sure kstat chiming in on any subject trumps all.

Not a bad signing at all, hopefully he doesn't become flip murray part 2

They killed themselves on the first statement. He's aspot up jump shooter who can't play defense. WooHoo.
Co-signed. I'm non-plussed by this signing. Hayes is somewhat better offensively and worse defensively than Delfino. Hayes has played enough regular minutes where we know we're getting crap, while with Delfino there was this slim chance that if he was given consistent time, he'd play better.


I could care less. But its not like there was anything else floating out there. so no risk move if we signed him cheap.
There were options like Patterson, Pietrus, Posey, etc., more if we found the right trading partner for Murray + Dupree + 2nd rounder. I bet we could've snarfed JR Smith out of Denver, who has off-the-court problems, but has all the good qualities Hayes fans seem to think that Hayes has.

Who knows what JR Smith will be like after that car accident?

I like this signing quite a bit (I say that not knowing the contract terms yet).

I'm confident that Hayes will be better here than he was in Washington. How does anyone get into any kind of offensive flow with Arenas holding the ball and with Caron Butler and Antawn needing to get theirs too?

The few times that I remember seeing Hayes play, it seemed like he was getting the ball as a last resort with the shot clock on 3 or less. Not exactly a recipe for success.

Realistically, all I am looking for is something better than Mejia or Dupree to back up Tay, he doesn't need to be a sixth man of the year candidate. If he can provide some instant offense off the bench, cool.

Maybe he'll be everything that Mo Evans was supposed to be.

I'm confident that Hayes will be better here than he was in Washington. How does anyone get into any kind of offensive flow with Arenas holding the ball and with Caron Butler and Antawn needing to get theirs too?
He started the last month with both Butler and Arenas out, though. 11 ppg in 33 mpg on 40% shooting as the second option after Antawn -- crap.

There were options like Patterson, Pietrus, Posey, etc., more if we found the right trading partner for Murray + Dupree + 2nd rounder.

We wern't paying the first 2, and I'm guessing Joe decided Hayes>Posey.

He started the last month with both Butler and Arenas out, though. 11 ppg in 33 mpg on 40% shooting as the second option after Antawn -- crap.

But the other teams knew he was the second option as well, and when Antawn was on the bench, he literally was the only capable scorer on the floor. Not that hard to defend that.

He won't be in that position here.

I would have preferred Patterson, too, but as Hermy said, $ is an issue (as it always is).

I agree with Glen. I think he could improve with many options around him that play as a team. How many wide open threes did Delfino brick? If Hayes can just hit %40 of those open looks he'll be worth it.

Still no one knows how much the Pistons payed him? if they waive Meija they have about 2 mil to work with staying under the tax...i'd like the addition, certainly better than counting on Dupree or a rook to fill the position, still i would have prefered Udoka, i just like him better as a player even if he's a bit older.

Still no one knows how much the Pistons payed him?

Since the Pistons don't disclose this publicly, that means we are probably left at the mercy of :mccosky: or Blakely to report this.

Also, I haven't read his take yet, but I'll go out on a limb and predict that :langlois: liked this move.

In Washington they called him Arvis, no J.

i dont know what everyone's worried about, another chucker should fit right in w/ flippidy-do-da's offense.

besides, its not like were trying to win championships anymore.

am i incorrect in saying that this officially ends the c-web era in detroit? the king is dead! long live the king!

I think this officially ends the Joe Dumars Championship era in Detroit.

I'm guessing Flip Murray is done to afford this. That, or Hunter retires.

Quick Fix
Jarvis Hayes gives Pistons peace of mind behind Prince

by Keith Langlois

AUBURN HILLS, Mich. – If there was one area of concern on the Pistons’ roster with training camp looming, it was a proven commodity to back up Tayshaun Prince.

Scratch that.

The Pistons snagged free agent Jarvis Hayes, a four-year veteran whose career has been spent with Washington since the Wizards made him the 10th pick in the 2003 draft, and announced his signing on Thursday.

Hayes immediately slides into the role as Prince’s primary backup at small forward, a spot vacated by the June trade of Carlos Delfino to Toronto for two second-round draft choices.

“We are pleased to add Jarvis Hayes to our roster,” Pistons president of basketball operations Joe Dumars said in a statement. “Jarvis has proven himself as a solid NBA player over the last four seasons and we like the flexibility and depth he will bring to our team at the small forward position.”

Hayes is a more consistent outside shooter than Delfino and, at 6-foot-8, is bigger. He got squeezed out in Washington when the Wizards, already heavily invested in their perimeter with Gilbert Arenas, Caron Butler, Antawn Jamison and No. 1 pick Nick Young, chose not to extend a qualifying offer to Hayes, who was scheduled to be a restricted free agent.

Dumars and vice president John Hammond had indicated during the NBA’s Las Vegas Summer League that they would be comfortable with a combination of players – including veteran Ronald Dupree and rookies Arron Afflalo and Sammy Mejia – to back up Prince, feeling they could offer similar production to Delfino. But when the opportunity to add Hayes to a no-risk contract presented itself, the front office acted swiftly.

Hayes has run into some injury misfortune during his NBA career, including a fractured right kneecap. But he played in 81 games last season, averaging 7.2 points and 2.6 rebounds in 20.1 minutes per game.

According to Hammond, Hayes has spent the bulk of his summer in Los Angeles working on both his game and his conditioning and is eager to prove his worth to a contending team to re-establish his value for next summer’s round of free agency.

When Delfino became the primary backup to both Prince and Rip Hamilton last season, it often resulted in Prince playing 40-plus minutes a game. Dumars said after the playoffs that it was his off-season goal to shape the roster in such a way that the Pistons’ core veterans would not have to supply as many minutes next season. Hayes, it would appear, provides them the luxury of giving Prince more certain rest for the 2007-08 season.

Though no contract terms were announced, it is highly likely the deal is for just one season as it suits the needs of both team and player.

It's a good signing just because Jarvis has more potential and experience than Dupree plus I'm sure that he was cheap.

I thought Ruffin was the one in Washington who was retarded offensively. Bah, whatever.

:lathamjahnke:


Pistons grab injury-riddled small forward Jarvis Hayes from Wizards

August 17, 2007
BY KRISTA JAHNKE
FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER

All summer, the Pistons said they could live with a backup-small-forward-by-committee system. They said they could fill minutes behind Tayshaun Prince with second-round draft pick Sammy Mejia, rookie guard Arron Afflalo and maybe even shooting guard Richard Hamilton.

Now, consider that Plan B.

Plan A is small forward Jarvis Hayes, a restricted free agent the Pistons signed Thursday to a one-year deal using a small portion of their $5.6-million midlevel exception. Washington did not match the offer.

"We are pleased to add Jarvis Hayes to our roster," team president Joe Dumars said in a news release. "Jarvis has proven himself as a solid NBA player over the last four seasons, and we like the flexibility and depth he will bring to our team at the small forward position."

Hayes fits the typical Pistons prototype as a player who has endured more than his share of struggles and was eventually cast off from another team. The No. 10 pick of Washington in the illustrious 2003 draft, Hayes has spent most of his four-year career with the Wizards battling injuries.

He played 70 games his first year, averaging 9.6 points and making the second-team all-rookie team. But the 6-foot-8 forward missed 89 games in the next two seasons as he recovered from two kneecap fractures.

He first suffered the cracked knee when he banged it with Spurs forward Manu Ginobili on Feb. 2, 2005. Once he received a green light from team doctors, Hayes played for three more weeks before he fully broke the bone.

He elected to let the bone heal naturally, forgoing surgery. But the next season, 21 games in, he reinjured it and missed the rest of his third season after having surgery.

Hayes rebounded to play in 81 games last season, but struggled with consistency. His minutes dropped early on, and he finished with averages of 7.2 points, 2.6 rebounds and 20.1 minutes a game. He had 17 starts when the Wizards lost Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison to injuries, and he started in all four of the Wizards' playoff games, averaging 10.8 points.

But with Prince's former backup, Carlos Delfino, traded to Toronto, Hayes has a role ready and waiting for him if he can stay healthy and consistent.

At his best, Hayes is a solid offensive contributor with a steady jump shot, athleticism and a consistent three-point touch. While not known for superb defensive play, he is a capable defender who can cover multiple positions. In his career, he has averaged 40.2% shooting from the floor, 34.1% on three-pointers and 82.4% at the free-throw line.

His addition lifts the Pistons' roster to 16, one above the maximum allowed when the regular season opens.

Mejia's contract is only partially guaranteed, and the Pistons have other cheap contracts -- namely Ronald (Flip) Murray's and Ronald Dupree's -- they could choose to eat to get under the limit.

I would guess that they used whatever "wiggle room" that they had under the tax threshold, which by my estimates would be about $1.7m.

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4873/pistonssalaries0708revipt4.jpg

:mccosky:
zzzzzzzzzz *mumble* mmthe fans don't know anythingggg zzzzzzzzz

Though no contract terms were announced, it is highly likely the deal is for just one season as it suits the needs of both team and player.

Did he throw this in to maintain his air of impartiality and independence? If not, thanks to the MOI for the in-depth analysis of contract length.

Mxy,

Would you rather have Jonas?

http://www.uga.edu/gm/1201/images/spo1.jpg

But the other teams knew he was the second option as well, and when Antawn was on the bench, he literally was the only capable scorer on the floor. Not that hard to defend that.
He was third option, as DeShawn Stevenson stepped up surprisingly well. That's why they kept Stevenson and didn't keep Hayes, after all.

I hope for the best, but I just see this as a crap signing. And the news reports say that we -did- dip into our MLE in order to make this one happen. <groan>

When you disagree with Mxy on pretty much any topic, you'll end up wrong more than you are right.

RELEASE HAYES!!!

Why am I not surprised that he broke his knee in a collision with Manu Ginobli?

He was third option, as DeShawn Stevenson stepped up surprisingly well. That's why they kept Stevenson and didn't keep Hayes, after all.

I hope for the best, but I just see this as a crap signing. And the news reports say that we -did- dip into our MLE in order to make this one happen. <groan>
if thats true then yea it was dumb

Its not like they needed a defensive specialist seeing as that's both Tayshaun and Afflalo's specialty.
doesnt mean you gotta get a matador either. bleh, i'm just stuck on the old ways of championship team basketball i guess . :emo kid:

doesnt mean you gotta get a matador either. bleh, i'm just stuck on the old ways of championship team basketball i guess . :emo kid:


Go Memo Go.

well i don't know how this signing can signify the end of the championship runs or whatever. that ended when we adopted our 'we can turn it on whenever we want to' mentality.

this signing can not be anything but good in my estimation. sure hayes has holes in his game. but he's on a one year deal with a lot to prove and he's finally on a good TEAM- with guys who know how to move and pass the ball. hayes is a better shooter and scorer than he's being credited for.

in fairness, last year was his first full year back from multiple seasons of a tough injury. if he's worked his way into good shape he could be a major steal for us. if he's not, then big deal- there's really no risk involved.

i personally feel this is a SIMILAR move to when we signed mcdyess. it's not the same, but similar. i realise hayes has never been an established allstar or as well rounded as dice. but he is very talented and has been plagued by injuries. if he's ever going to 'come around' this is the perfect situation for him.

i don't know why people are moaning about this move. we weren't going to make any big deals- we all knew that. so nothing has changed for this team. if you want to moan about anything, moan about that as that decision was made shortly after season's end. but don't moan about a low or no risk move like this, which at least has the POTENTIAL to be a pretty big payoff if he can be a good backup scoring SF. (something we haven't had in ages)

JMO of course

The only reason why I would think it's a bad signing is that we could've signed a center, but I see that was unrealistic because there's no one left. This was a good move financially. its a one year deal so no harm done.

Its a good deal if we look at it this way:

Would you rather have Hayes than whoever we get rid of?

Hayes or Hunter

Hayes or Dupree

Hayes or Murray

In which of those situations do you not choose Hayes?

Someone at Hoopshype is off to a poor start this am.


The Pistons signed Blatche to a one-year deal using a small portion of their $5.6-million midlevel exception.

Someone at Hoopshype is off to a poor start this am.
I wouldn't mind that if we thought he could play C, haha.

I just noticed that the official Jarvis Hayes thread is thread #9999 here at WTFD.com.

That's either a sign of good things to come, or a sign of doom.

Or nothing.

Whatever.....that's kind of what I feel about this signing.

Matt (Redford): Do you think Jarvis Hayes is a good backup for Tayshaun Prince? Do you believe Hayes is better than Delfino? I know Hayes is a 3-point shooter, but will he drive to the rim and be aggressive inside?

:langlois:
I think Hayes is an ideal backup for Prince. The Pistons would really like to cut Prince’s minutes down to about 30 a night because he’s worn down in the playoffs three years running. Hayes is easily capable of handling 20 minutes a night. And if Prince were ever to be injured and had to miss 10 or 20 games, Hayes would be capable of stepping into the starting lineup. He’s not a slasher, but that’s OK. The Pistons thought they were adding that element last year when they signed Flip Murray, but what they learned is that a team that wasn’t used to standing around and watching somebody try to break down a defense on his own went suddenly out of character when it went that way. My take on Delfino is that he never really figured out who he was. He made 3-pointers just often enough to make him believe he was a good outside shooter, but he was never consistent enough. He could handle the ball, but it led him to think he could take reckless forays to the rim that often resulted in charges and turnovers. If Hayes knocks down open jumpers and stays with what he knows best, he’ll be an upgrade. And he won’t bring the maintenance issues the high-strung Delfino brought.


Kyle (Redford): The indications I get are that the Hayes deal puts Detroit over the luxury-tax threshold. I’m assuming he signed for about $2 million.

:langlois:
They’re still under the tax threshold, Kyle. Hayes’ deal is for much closer to $1 million. They’re still about $400,000 under the threshold by my calculations.

What a joke he is. This guy probably said Maurice Evans was also a great jump shooter. Anything Joe D. does he makes it seem as if Joe reinvented the game of basketball.

According to RealGM's salary figures, it looks like Hayes salary is about $1.2 million.

Finally we can focus our bitching on the center position.
LMAO... yeah, not that Hayes is all that and a nickle bag... but he's a warm vet that gives us insurance for the injury bug... the cat can't play D or handle the rock... but if inconsistence long range shooting is your bag then he's your man... Arnie should take care of the rest.
Ok about the 5 position... Cwebb for 5 minutes p/game... release Mejia and L.H. moves upstairs (buyout).

EDIT: The good news is his expiring = instant trade fodder.

:lathamjahnke:


Pistons' Hayes ready to play for titles

August 20, 2007
By KRISTA JAHNKE
FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER

As Jarvis Hayes tells it, he is eager and ready – as well as healthy enough -- to show Pistons fans and the rest of the NBA that he can be an integral part of a championship team.

Speaking with local media members today, the Pistons' newest roster addition, a fifth-year swingman, said that once he knew the Pistons had interest, he wanted to be nowhere else.

What better place is there than Detroit for a former lottery pick who wants to make a new name for himself after four less-than-perfect seasons?

“It was a destination that I told my agent I wanted to be,” Hayes said at the team’s practice facility in Auburn Hills. “And once the initial call was made, it took off from there. (I like) just the style of play, it’s unselfish, no one cares who gets the credit. They’ve got a lot of guys who love playing together, and it shows.

Hayes also said team president Joe Dumars’ track record of reviving the careers of castoffs “was a big selling point.”

After a fine rookie season, the former No. 10 draft pick lost almost two seasons to a kneecap fracture. He recovered to play 81 games last season and said the injury is in his past.

But some damage to his image had been done. He has heard the label “injury-prone” attached to him. That’s unfair, in Hayes’ opinion. The knee injury is the only major ailment he has had in his career.

“It was just one injury that I had that unfortunately didn’t heal correctly until I had the surgery,” Hayes said. “I’m past that now, and I’m ready to start over.”

That’s not to say he was happy with his performance as one of the Wizards’ key players last season. He averaged 7.2 points and 2.6 rebounds as the Wizards struggled with other injury problems and exited in the first round of the playoffs.

“I was disappointed,” he said. “It took me a while to get back used to playing and getting full confidence in the leg. I got that confidence at the end of the season, but it wasn’t enough time. … I think I got a lot left in my tank.”

Perhaps that lack of productivity led the Wizards to pass on re-signing Hayes.

“It’s a business,” Hayes said. “You really don’t get surprised by anything anymore. Anything can happen. I have no idea (why they didn’t want me). I guess that’s a question for (Ernie Grunfeld). They wanted to go in other directions.”

Hayes signed a one-year deal last Thursday for a small portion of the Pistons' mid-level exception. He said he sees this season as a chance to re-establish his value and finds no reason he can’t do that while playing a role off the bench behind Tayshaun Prince and, at times, shooting guard Richard Hamilton.

“It won’t be hard,” Hayes said. “This is a championship organization. I’m here to help win another championship in whatever capacity I’m needed. I feel like I can fill that need."

Hayes said he has prior relationships with Prince, from their college days, and Hamilton. He also spoke on the phone with the team captain, Chauncey Billups.

“It’s a different game, it’s all about winning championships,” Hayes said about Billups' message. “Joe told me that as well. It’s a championship aura, everything about this organization is about winning championships.”

It's nice to hear all of this talk about winning a championship but I think that everyone is kidding themself. We are still weak at the center and point guard position (back-up spot) and are hoping that several 1st and 3rd year players come through. We are still a good team and have started a decent rebuild but the last few playoff runs leave too many questions with no answers to get excited. I wish Joe would realize that.

:dismissed:

I agree.

:langlois:


Hayes has worn No. 24 throughout his career, but says he wouldn’t think of trying to convince Antonio McDyess to give up his number, especially since it didn’t bring him much in the way of good luck with Washington. With the Pistons, Hayes will wear No. 9 – as in nine lives.

“It’s a new phase,” he said. “A new beginning.”


WTF, man?

I LOVED LITTERIAL GREEN!

I LOVED LITTERIAL GREEN!

Don't forget Kornell David!

This guy is brilliant.



Glenn, WTFDetroit. MI: I haven't seen a Pistons question yet. How sound is Joe Dumars' strategy of relying on three young kids (Stuckey, Amir Johnson and Arron Afflalo) to return the Pistons to the promised land? Also, thoughts on the Jarvis Hayes signing?

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif David Thorpe: (12:56 PM ET ) I don't think he is relying on them.

At least he's good at answering the questions that are asked to him.



Glenn, WTFDetroit. MI: I haven't seen a Pistons question yet. How sound is Joe Dumars' strategy of relying on three young kids (Stuckey, Amir Johnson and Arron Afflalo) to return the Pistons to the promised land? Also, thoughts on the Jarvis Hayes signing?

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif David Thorpe: (12:56 PM ET ) Did you know my name spelled backwards is Eproht?


I know chat's are long, but answer every question that you pick. You already get to sift through which questions you want.

I would have called him out on that. How are we not counting on them? They are basically our entire bench (unless you are counting on Nazr/Webber and Flip which got us nowhere last year.

I sent him a follow up question, which he ignored.

Anybody else join the Jarvis Club yet besides me?

http://jarvishayes.net/

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Umm.........NO!!

Jarvis Hayes' email is handled by Jerry Stackhouse:

nc mail.jarvishayes.net 25
220 dv3.jerrystackhouse.com ESMTP

So did we accidentally sign him trying to bring back Stack? Haha.....
















Can we trade him for Stack? Anyone oppose?