MSU's Championship Schedule is much better this year. I am very disappointed by the fact that MSU only plays Michigan once. I predict 29-3 (Best record in Izzo's tenure) Underselling?. Loss in the CBE, Loss at Indiana, loss at OSU.

MSU:

2007-2008 SCHEDULE
( Click on an event for complete event information )

Date Opponent / Event Location Time / Result

11/02/07 vs. Grand Valley State (Exhib.) East Lansing, Mich. 7:00 p.m. ET
11/07/07 vs. Northern Michigan (Exhib.) East Lansing, Mich. 7:00 p.m. ET
CBE Classic
11/13/07 TBD (CBE Classic) East Lansing, Mich. TBA
11/14/07 TBD (CBE Classic) East Lansing, Mich. TBA
11/19/07 CBE Classic Semifinals Kansas City, Mo. TBA
11/20/07 CBE Classic Championship/Consolation Kansas City, Mo. TBA
11/24/07 vs. Oakland East Lansing, Mich. 2:00 p.m. ET

11/28/07 vs. North Carolina State (Big Ten/ACC Challenge) East Lansing, Mich. 7:00 p.m. ET
12/01/07 vs. Jacksonville East Lansing, Mich. 2:00 p.m. ET
12/04/07 at Bradley Peoria, Ill. 8:00 p.m. ET
12/08/07 vs. BYU Salt Lake City, Utah TBA
12/15/07 vs. IPFW East Lansing, Mich. 7:00 p.m. ET
12/19/07 vs. San Jose State East Lansing, Mich. 7:00 p.m. ET
12/22/07 vs. Texas (Spartan Clash) Auburn Hills, Mich. 6:30 p.m. ET
12/29/07 vs. UW-Green Bay East Lansing, Mich. 7:00 p.m. ET
01/05/08 vs. Minnesota * East Lansing, Mich. 8:00 p.m. ET
01/08/08 vs. Purdue * East Lansing, Mich. 9:00 p.m. ET
01/12/08 at Iowa * Iowa City, Iowa 8:30 p.m. ET
01/15/08 vs. Ohio State * East Lansing, Mich. 7:00 p.m. ET
01/20/08 at Minnesota * Minneapolis, Minn. 4:00 p.m. ET
01/24/08 at Northwestern * Evanston, Ill. 9:00 p.m. ET
01/27/08 vs. Michigan * East Lansing, Mich. 12:00 p.m. ET
01/30/08 vs. Illinois * East Lansing, Mich. 9:00 p.m. ET
02/02/08 at Penn State * State College, Pa. 8:00 p.m. ET
02/09/08 vs. Northwestern * East Lansing, Mich. 7:00 p.m. ET
02/12/08 at Purdue * West Lafayette, Ind. 7:00 p.m. ET
02/16/08 at Indiana * Bloomington, Ind. 9:00 p.m. ET
02/20/08 vs. Penn State * East Lansing, Mich. 7:00 p.m. ET
02/23/08 vs. Iowa @ * East Lansing, Mich. TBA
02/24/08 vs. Iowa @ * East Lansing, Mich. 4:00 p.m. ET
02/28/08 at Wisconsin * Madison, Wis. 9:00 p.m. ET
03/02/08 vs. Indiana % * East Lansing, Mich. TBA
03/04/08 at Illinois $ * Champaign, Ill. TBA
03/05/08 at Illinois $ * Champaign, Ill. TBA
03/06/08 at Illinois $ * Champaign, Ill. TBA
03/09/08 at Ohio State + * Columbus, Ohio TBA

You're serious with the 29-3 prediction?

You're serious with the 29-3 prediction?

Dead serious. Probably a stretch in the opinion of some considering the grind of the BT. However, they'll head into the season being ranked higher than every single one of their opponents. Maybe I'll be wrong, but that is what I'm predicting. A Big Ten title and a terrific year as long as everyone stays healthy.

given the title of the thread I would think it appropriate to also post the Michigan schedule. Or, change the title to MSU 2007-08 schedule or whatever since this is the entire MSU schedule and not just the big ten portion.

I really don't care which, but I clicked it expecting to see more than just MSU's.

BTW, I am going with 22 wins (not counting the tournaments since I don't know the opponents)

Yeah 29 is a bit much, considering his lowest loss total ever is 5. I think they can do it, but they will lose a game here and there that they're not supposed to lose. I say between 6 to 8 losses.

NC State is one tough team now, it would not surprise me at all if MSU lost that game. Just because its a home game I give the edge to state. NC State will wreck havoc in the ACC. Sidney Lowe has that program back on track.

Michigan has not yet released its full schedule, only their Big Ten schedule.

NC State is one tough team now, it would not surprise me at all if MSU lost that game. Just because its a home game I give the edge to state. NC State will wreck havoc in the ACC. Sidney Lowe has that program back on track.

The red jacket is devastating.

I think the nation caught "red jacket fever" when they were captivated by the NIT.

By the way, while Michigan has yet to announce their non-conference schedule, it is believed that it will include UCLA, Georgetown, Duke, Boston College and Harvard (against Tommy Amaker, was in place before Amaker took that job).
Here is their conference schedule:

Wisconsin, 7 p.m. Jan. 2, BTN

at Purdue, 2 p.m. Jan. 5, ESPN

Indiana, 7 p.m. Jan. 8, ESPN

at Northwestern, 6:30 p.m. Jan. 12, BTN

at Illinois, 9 p.m. Jan. 16, BTN

Iowa, 7 p.m. Jan. 19, BTN

at Wisconsin, 7 p.m. Jan. 22, ESPN

at Michigan State, noon Jan. 27, CBS

Minnesota, 7 p.m. Jan. 31, BTN

at Ohio State, 7 p.m. Feb. 5, ESPN

Penn State, 4 p.m. Feb. 9, BTN

at Iowa, 9 p.m. Feb. 14, ESPN or ESPN2

Ohio State, 1 p.m. Feb. 17, CBS

at Minnesota, 9 p.m. Feb. 21, ESPN or ESPN2

Illinois, 2 p.m. or 4 p.m. Feb. 23 or Feb. 24, ESPN , BTN or CBS

Northwestern, 9 p.m. Feb. 26, BTN

at Penn State, 8 p.m. March 1, BTN

Purdue, 2 p.m, 3 p.m. or 4 p.m. March 8 or March 9, ESPN, BTN or CBS

I looked game by game and I think UM could go 10-8 in that schedule if they have developed well as a team by then. 10-8 in the Big Ten should get them to the dance unless they're completely horrible in the non-conference.
The other think that could help is that the end of the schedule is weak, meaning that while their RPI could drop, they could go into the Big Ten Tourney on a 5 game winning streak.

Yeah, I tried to get UM's schedule, but it wasn't available. Here is their BT:
What a gift of a schedule! Only play State and Indiana (best 2 in the BT) once.
2007-08 U-M Men's Basketball Big Ten Schedule


DATE OPPONENT SITE TIME TV
Wed., Jan. 2 Wisconsin* Ann Arbor 7:00 p.m. BTN
Sat., Jan. 5 Purdue* West Lafayette, Ind. 2:00 p.m. ESPN
Tue., Jan. 8 Indiana* Ann Arbor 7:00 p.m. ESPN
Sat., Jan. 12 Northwestern* Evanston, Ill. 5:30 p.m. CST BTN
Wed., Jan. 16 Illinois* Champaign, Ill. 8:00 p.m. CST BTN
Sat., Jan. 19 Iowa* Ann Arbor 7:00 p.m. BTN
Tue., Jan. 22 Wisconsin* Madison, Wis. 6:00 p.m. CST ESPN
Sun., Jan. 27 Michigan State* East Lansing, Mich. Noon CBS
Thu., Jan. 31 Minnesota* Ann Arbor 7:00 p.m. BTN
Tue., Feb. 5 Ohio State* Columbus, Ohio 7:00 p.m. ESPN
Sat., Feb. 9 Penn State* Ann Arbor 4:00 p.m. BTN
Thu., Feb. 14 Iowa* Iowa City, Iowa 8:00 p.m. CST ESPN or ESPN2
Sun., Feb. 17 Ohio State* Ann Arbor 1:00 p.m. CBS
Thu., Feb. 21 Minnesota* Minneapolis, Minn. 8:00 p.m. CST ESPN or ESPN2
Sat., Feb. 23 or Illinois* (1) Ann Arbor 2 or 4 p.m. ESPN or BTN
Sun., Feb. 24 Illinois* Ann Arbor 4 p.m. CBS
Tue., Feb. 26 Northwestern* Ann Arbor 9:00 p.m. BTN
Sat., Mar. 1 Penn State* State College, Pa. 8:00 p.m. BTN
Sat., Mar. 8 or Purdue* (2) Ann Arbor 3:00 p.m. BTN
Sun., Mar. 9 Purdue* Ann Arbor 2 or 4 p.m. ESPN or CBS

Yeah, I tried to get UM's schedule, but it wasn't available. Here is their BT:
What a gift of a schedule! Only play State and Indiana (best 2 in the BT) once.
2007-08 U-M Men's Basketball Big Ten Schedule




Is there ever a michigan schedule that is not a gift. Anyways, i think most every michigan fan would greatly prefer to have a home game against state than any other schedule alternative.

Sorry Tre, beat you to it by about 4 minutes it looks like. See post #10 on page 1.

By the way, while Michigan has yet to announce their non-conference schedule, it is believed that it will include UCLA, Georgetown, Duke, Boston College and Harvard (against Tommy Amaker, was in place before Amaker took that job).
Here is their conference schedule:

Wisconsin, 7 p.m. Jan. 2, BTN

at Purdue, 2 p.m. Jan. 5, ESPN

Indiana, 7 p.m. Jan. 8, ESPN

at Northwestern, 6:30 p.m. Jan. 12, BTN

at Illinois, 9 p.m. Jan. 16, BTN

Iowa, 7 p.m. Jan. 19, BTN

at Wisconsin, 7 p.m. Jan. 22, ESPN

at Michigan State, noon Jan. 27, CBS

Minnesota, 7 p.m. Jan. 31, BTN

at Ohio State, 7 p.m. Feb. 5, ESPN

Penn State, 4 p.m. Feb. 9, BTN

at Iowa, 9 p.m. Feb. 14, ESPN or ESPN2

Ohio State, 1 p.m. Feb. 17, CBS

at Minnesota, 9 p.m. Feb. 21, ESPN or ESPN2

Illinois, 2 p.m. or 4 p.m. Feb. 23 or Feb. 24, ESPN , BTN or CBS

Northwestern, 9 p.m. Feb. 26, BTN

at Penn State, 8 p.m. March 1, BTN

Purdue, 2 p.m, 3 p.m. or 4 p.m. March 8 or March 9, ESPN, BTN or CBS

I looked game by game and I think UM could go 10-8 in that schedule if they have developed well as a team by then. 10-8 in the Big Ten should get them to the dance unless they're completely horrible in the non-conference.
The other think that could help is that the end of the schedule is weak, meaning that while their RPI could drop, they could go into the Big Ten Tourney on a 5 game winning streak.
I realize you and I have different perspectives, but I only see 6 Big Ten wins on that schedule. NW twice, PSU twice, Iowa at home and Minnesota at home.

Given how much of a "gift" (green-goggled joke) the schedule is, you must really think this team sucks ass and should bow down and feel priviledged that they even get to step on the same courts as your Spartans.

By the way, I gave them 10 wins based on home wins against everyone other than Wisconsin and Ohio State (7 of 9). I gave them road wins against PSU, NW, and Minnesota. I can see why you would think otherwise, but I think my prediction is possible and I want to avoid "underselling" - you know, that thing we're reminded of every day now. lol

Given how much of a "gift" (green-goggled joke) the schedule is, you must really think this team sucks ass and should bow down and feel priviledged that they even get to step on the same courts as your Spartans.
You better make sure you have enough Kotex to get you through.

By the way, I gave them 10 wins based on home wins against everyone other than Wisconsin and Ohio State (7 of 9). I gave them road wins against PSU, NW, and Minnesota. I can see why you would think otherwise, but I think my prediction is possible and I want to avoid "underselling" - you know, that thing we're reminded of every day now. lol
You think UM beats Indiana in Ann Arbor? I would be quite surprised if that happened.

I am proud that the Big 10 is involved in the Michigan Conspiracy. I have always believed that Michigan should get the benefit of any doubt, and with this schedule, it looks like the Big 10 has finally signed on. That makes Brent Musberger, most of the referees, the Detroit Media (Drew Sharp is just a plant to feign objectivity), the Michigan Legal System, and probably several hundred million other people that I don't have space to mention.
UM doesn't own the world just yet, but...someday, someday soon He heh...Ha ha HAH HAA HooooHAaaaAHHHHhaha HAh Ah HAHA HAHA MMHHOOOOHAHAHAHH AHAH Ahaha HAhah hahAHA HAha hahahahHAhaHah
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHA HaKc coUgH HACK HACH AHACKY HACK CAHOFFY HOFF HACK gasp....

So now because I use sarcasm to counteract your hatred for UM, it SURELY means I have a vagina and need to cram a stringed bit of fabric in it?

Quite simply, you're retarded and I would love to square off with you in the Terrordome, but I just don't think I could stomach the ignorance.

Sorry everyone, I realize that was a mod displaying a personal attack, but we all have our weak moments.
Just because I think UM only wins 6 Big Ten games I am hating on them? I think you are over-reacting.

Yes, I would say on the heels of Tre calling the schedule a gift, that a 6-12 prediction for the Big Ten schedule, especially given the fact that Penn State, Northwestern and Minnesota COMBINED for 7 conference wins last year, is a sign of hatred.

Let me also point out that of those 7 combined wins, 5 of them HAD TO HAPPEN, since they were in head-to-head games between the three teams. The only other wins generated were Penn State beating Iowa and Minnesota beating Purdue.

Let me also point out that of those 7 combined wins, 5 of them HAD TO HAPPEN, since they were in head-to-head games between the three teams. The only other wins generated were Penn State beating Iowa and Minnesota beating Purdue.
UM will not beat Purdue, Wisc, OSU, Illinois, MSU or Indiana this year. They will beat NW and PSU and may sweep/split Iowa and Minnesota. 6-8 wins. The team has little talent, poor/unproven guard play and a new coach bringing in an entirely new system that does not suit the team. And frankly, the schedule is a gift since UM plays MSU and Indiana, the top two teams in the league, once each. Sorry if that bit of reality irks you. Too damn bad. Quit being such a wuss.

UM will not beat Purdue, Wisc, OSU, Illinois, MSU or Indiana this year. They will beat NW and PSU and may sweep/split Iowa and Minnesota. 6-8 wins. The team has little talent, poor/unproven guard play and a new coach bringing in an entirely new system that does not suit the team. And frankly, the schedule is a gift since UM plays MSU and Indiana, the top two teams in the league, once each. Sorry if that bit of reality irks you. Too damn bad. Quit being such a wuss.

Alright, enough of the terrordome. Outside of the terrordome stuff, Bukdow, I think you nailed UM's chances this year. I totally agree. They are going to be bad, real bad. No way they even touch Wisc., OSU, MSU, or Indiana and I doubt they'd beat Illinois or Purdue. I don't think it is hatred in this case, I think it is realistic. No chance of UM finishing above .500 IMO. Overselling?

The last several posts have been copied and pasted.

I'm very much looking forward to saying "I told you so".

Disagree with me now, but man up to it several months from now.

The last several posts have been copied and pasted.

I'm very much looking forward to saying "I told you so".

Disagree with me now, but man up to it several months from now.
No problem.

The last several posts have been copied and pasted.

I'm very much looking forward to saying "I told you so".

Disagree with me now, but man up to it several months from now.

I have no clue where your optimism is coming from and I hope you give some props when UM starts getting whacked. I don't get what makes you optimistic. No muscle, no experienced pg play. Recipe for disaster, I'm telling ya.




Overselling?

No muscle, no experienced pg play. Recipe for disaster, I'm telling ya.

Muscle:
Udoh blocked 67 shots as a true freshman last season in spite of no muscle and has apparently added 7-10 lbs already in the offseason. He's listed at 240 which is only 5 lbs behind Suton and Naymick, all according to ESPN.
Also, Zack Gibson. See the quote from Rivals circa Jan 2005

In an duel of highly-regard Michigan big men, 6-foot-9 senior center Zack Gibson, Grand Blanc High School, outperformed promising 7-foot junior center Tom Herzog of Flint Power High School. Gibson outscored Herzog 17-11, and won the rebounds battle 16-10. Michigan recruit, 6-foot-5 junior wing K'Len Morris, was impressive with 16 points for Grand Blanc High.

Admittedly, it sounds like Herzog has come a long ways since then in becoming "the best big man on the Spartans roster", but Gibson would have had to have regressed a great deal to be completely incapable of being a serviceable big man. He was first-team all-state as a senior.

Experienced PG play:
Jerrett Smith. I don't care if you want to dismiss him. I hope everyone does. He shot 43% from deep and averaged 24 minutes per game last season. He had averaged 14.4 minutes the season before. That's a whole lot more experience than many PG's this forum raves about. Call him slow if you want, but inexperienced in inaccurate.

If you really think Beilein is as great of a coach as you have repeatedly said, I'm curious why you DON'T have any more optimism for the Wolverines.

Muscle:
Udoh blocked 67 shots as a true freshman last season in spite of no muscle and has apparently added 7-10 lbs already in the offseason. He's listed at 240 which is only 5 lbs behind Suton and Naymick, all according to ESPN.
Also, Zack Gibson. See the quote from Rivals circa Jan 2005

Admittedly, it sounds like Herzog has come a long ways since then in becoming "the best big man on the Spartans roster", but Gibson would have had to have regressed a great deal to be completely incapable of being a serviceable big man. He was first-team all-state as a senior.

Experienced PG play:
Jerrett Smith. I don't care if you want to dismiss him. I hope everyone does. He shot 43% from deep and averaged 24 minutes per game last season. He had averaged 14.4 minutes the season before. That's a whole lot more experience than many PG's this forum raves about. Call him slow if you want, but inexperienced in inaccurate.

If you really think Beilein is as great of a coach as you have repeatedly said, I'm curious why you DON'T have any more optimism for the Wolverines.

First of all, Herzog sucked in 05. That's why I wasn't big on him. Secondly, I believe Beilein is a very good coach. I'm not putting great on him except for his inivative ideas. But, you have to have horses with the coaching. That's why Dantonio will struggle this year. You can only coach em up so much, I learned that last year the hard way (hs).

Tre you are so funny.

You wonder where Jethro optimism is coming from, but yet you are predicting a bowl game for MSU with 7 wins.

You showing your usual hypocritical side.

I think Michigan has just a good shot as making the tourney as MSU does of making a bowl game.

In these days, it is pretty difficult not to make a bowl game. Iowa went to the alamo bowl with a 2-6 big10 record.

Tre you are so funny.

You wonder where Jethro optimism is coming from, but yet you are predicting a bowl game for MSU with 7 wins.

You showing your usual hypocritical side.

I think Michigan has just a good shot as making the tourney as MSU does of making a bowl game.

Is there an echo in here???? Good point, Art!

Yeah, to get in the tourney you can't simply beat a bunch of cupcakes like you can in football. You have to beat worthwhile teams. In football you can lose all your big games and still make a bowl game.

Tre you are so funny.

You wonder where Jethro optimism is coming from, but yet you are predicting a bowl game for MSU with 7 wins.

You showing your usual hypocritical side.

I think Michigan has just a good shot as making the tourney as MSU does of making a bowl game.

How is it hypocritical when we are talking about two completely different teams in two completely different sports? Just because UM bball is rebuilding and MSU fball is rebuilding doesn't mean I have to predict the same thing for both, how ridiculous is that?! You seriously think I'm a hypocrite if I don't predict the same for both? On top of that, I openly said I was going homer when predicting 7 wins and said 6 was probably more likely.

While we are talking homerism, UM has NO CHANCE of making the tourney. If you believe that you are crazy.

This is just a classic example of UM fans bitching about ANY prediction a MSU fan makes. Just a week ago Wizzle claimed I always put low expectations on MSU and high expectations on Michigan. I've done exactly the opposite since last spring, always predicting a terrible season for UM bball. Yet, there are still UM fans bitching about the prediction. It doesn't matter if I predict success or failure, UM fans will cry about it. I wonder where that reputation comes from?

It is going to be sweet watching MSU football go 7-5, Dantonio winning Coach of the Year and going to bowl game while UM basketball goes 7-11 in the Big Ten and all the UM homers tear eachother apart over Bielein and his system.

I'm predicting no tourney for U of M and 6 wins for MSU football. It is much more of a stretch to put U of M in the tourney than MSU in a bowl game for sure.

It is going to be sweet watching MSU football go 7-5, Dantonio winning Coach of the Year and going to bowl game while UM basketball goes 7-11 in the Big Ten and all the UM homers tear eachother apart over Bielein and his system.


With a record like 7-5, how could he not get coach of the year? Shit, let's make a movie about him after the season's over!

With a record like 7-5, how could he not get coach of the year? Shit, let's make a movie about him after the season's over!

Why make a movie when the msu PR dept. can put together some nice photoshopped still pictures with edgy-looking font? By the way, did Izzo get coach of the year for 06-07? I've heard that some state fans consider it his best coaching job ever. Sure he's won a national title before, but last year he finishing tied for 7th in an 11-team conference during a down-year!!

Anyways, I doubt that michigan will be very good next year, but then I don't think iowa, minn, psu, or nw will be very good either. wisc, purdue, ill. will be better than those teams, but not exactly world beaters. In the end, I wouldn't be surprised to see michigan end up .500 if the team adapts to belein's system and doesn't suffer too many injuries. My prediction:

1. IU
2. MSU
3. OSU
4. Wisc/Purdue
6. Ill
7. UM
8. PSU
9. Iowa
10. Minn
11. NW

Why make a movie when the msu PR dept. put together some nice photoshopped still pictures with edgy-looking font? By the way, did Izzo get coach of the year for 06-07? I've heard that some state fans consider it his best coaching job ever. Sure he's won a national title before, but last year he finishing tied for 7th in an 11-team conference during a down-year!!

When fans criticize giving Izzo big praise for his coaching effort last year, it speaks volumes about their basketball intelligence. I'm serious, I'm not talking trash and I'm not trying to get under anybody's skin. If you mock me or other Spartans when we say that last year was possibly Izzo's best effort, you don't know very much about bball at all.

Automatically believing a National Championship year is the best coaching performance is not something an intelligent basketball fan would assume. Most Spartan insiders and program people before last year actually believed Izzo's first season was his best performance because he kept the team above water with almost nothing. But then again, what do they know?

And when someone disagrees with any one of my basketball opinions, let's insult their basketball IQ, because what I say is THE TRUTH and any other opinion is just nonsense.

You're right tre.

Winning a national championship is a fairly trivial accomplishment in comparison to last year's unbelievable run. I would much rather my coach finish ahead of NW, PSU, and Minnesota with inexperienced, but talented players. Those 3 perennial losers are the only b10 teams that had a worse record than msu last year! Further, it is obvious that the big 10 was pretty weak last year anyways (outside of wisc and osu). yet, msu finished 1-7 on the road and tied for 7th. big fucking deal. I'm not even convinced msu had less talent than UM, Iowa, Purdue, or Illinois. i know that at least neitzel, gray and morgan were all highly touted recruits. why shouldn't that team have won at home against mediocre b10 teams? Tell you what, if you find me another state fan (other than bukdow) that thinks that izzo's job last year was more impressive than winning a title, I won't post in ncaa for a week.

For a better example of a coach possibly exceeding his performance in a championship season: Roy Williams had a great year right after he won a title. He overachieved with a bunch of young players and finished with a ranking in the top 15 in a tough acc. That coaching effort may have exceeded his championship effort. However, there is a big difference between that performance and last year's spartans IMO.

You're right tre.

Winning a national championship is a fairly trivial accomplishment in comparison to last year's unbelievable run. I would much rather my coach finish ahead of NW, PSU, and Minnesota with inexperienced, but talented players. Those 3 perennial losers are the only b10 teams that had a worse record than msu last year! Further, it is obvious that the big 10 was pretty weak last year anyways (outside of wisc and osu). yet, msu finished 1-7 on the road and tied for 7th. big fucking deal. I'm not even convinced msu had less talent than UM, Iowa, Purdue, or Illinois. i know that at least neitzel, gray and morgan were all highly touted recruits. why shouldn't that team have won at home against mediocre b10 teams? Tell you what, if you find me another state fan (other than bukdow) that thinks that izzo's job last year was more impressive than winning a title, I won't post in ncaa for a week.

For a better example of a coach possibly exceeding his performance in a championship season: Roy Williams had a great year right after he won a title. He overachieved with a bunch of young players and finished with a ranking in the top 15 in a tough acc. That coaching effort may have exceeded his championship effort. However, there is a big difference between that performance and last year's spartans IMO.

MSU had 3 guards last year, 3!!!!! Neitzel, Walton, and MoJo and Mojo couldn't play a lick of D. 2nd round of the tournament and they played UNC very tough. I think it just shows your bias when you acknowledge Roy Williams' effort, yet you can't acknowledge Izzo's. Izzo didn't have a bunch of McDonald's All Americans on his roster, Roy Williams did. In fact, Izzo didn't have one. He didn't have an AA and he had 3 guards, yet you can't acknowledge a 20+ Win Season, a win over the #1 team in the country, a tourney appearance when NOBODY was predicting one, and not only getting there, but getting to the second round. BTW, I believe you ripped me before for not reading your 700 word post, but you can't seem to read either-Never once said the NC was less than what they did last year. What I'm saying is that Izzo did his best job coaching last year. The NC year MSU started 2 First Team All Americans and a All Big Ten player in Bell. Many coaches could win with that. However, not many could win with 3 guards! How is it that you can't acknowledge winning 20+ with 3 freaking guards?!

So it is okay for you to bitch about a prediction and optimism that Jethro is making, but it is unfair and typical Michigan people to point and laugh at you.

Tre you used to be a half way decent poster. Now you are just good for laugh at how Tre will spin something in his next post.

Last I checked the dictionary showed rebuilding to be rebuilding. There were no sub sections for football and basketball.

So it is okay for you to bitch about a prediction and optimism that Jethro is making, but it is unfair and typical Michigan people to point and laugh at you.

Tre you used to be a half way decent poster. Now you are just good for laugh at how Tre will spin something in his next post.

Last I checked the dictionary showed rebuilding to be rebuilding. There were no sub sections for football and basketball.

I'm good for a laugh, you have me rolling! You claimed that I'm a hypocrite because I gave MSU a decent prediction and UM a bad one. What is hypocritical about it???!!!!! You still didn't answer that. AND I NEVER ONCE BITCHED ABOUT JETHRO'S PREDICTION. I simply disagreed with it. I don't go crying saying, you oversell this, or you undersell that. You sound like a moron, reaching to call me a hypocrite simply because I predict different things for different teams. Do you know how dumb you sound? According to your post, I'm a hypocrite because I didn't predict the same exact thing for UM and MSU. WOW!

Well, you asked for another Spartan who agreed with me and claimed you'd go away for a week if I found one. I clearly never said a NC is less than a 2nd round year. However, I did say his COACHING performance was his best last season. Don't know if this counts, but it sounds like JackTalkThai agreed with my assessment in Izzo's performance last year. Here are his direct quotes from that thread. Good bye.


JackTalkThai wrote: FACT remains that Izzo is doing the absolute most with what he's got. His team is in the process of exceeding the expectations of every single preseason prognostication out there.

It has been an impressive display of pure coaching by anyone's definition.

This thread is about what Izzo is doing with the current group of talent that he has to work with. A group that was preseason ranked in the 40's and 50's and a group that was never expected to be top 25 ranked at any point in the season. People were quite confident in calling a team led by Drew Neitzel, NIT caliber.

For whatever reason, it's not an overly talented group from a combine/measurable perspective. Morgan is probably the only pro prospect of the lot. And to have this team ranked and playing and functioning like they are...it's a credit to Izzo's pure COACHING abilities. Not recruiting abilities oh inebriated one....c-o-a-c-h-i-n-g. If you disagree with that. Fine. But you're dim if you do.

So you won't show up for a week huh? Awesome! Let's see if you are a man of your word. You asked for a MSU fan that agreed with me that this was Izzo's best coaching effort of his entire career (I believe that would include the NC year). Well, I took your challenge and took it one step further. I didn't find a Spartan fan that would agree with me, that's too easy, they were all over mb's last year. I FOUND A MICHIGAN FAN TO AGREE WITH ME!

Let's see what Michigan Man Mark Snyder had to say in his Free Press Blog:

Mark Snyder's Blog: "Considering Izzo just did the best coaching job of his career, not only making the NCAA but beating Marquette with arguably his least talented squad ever, ..."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You just got worked and now you've got to go. You wanted a Spartan to agree with me and I found an outspoken Michigan man that agreed. Doesn't get better than that. Peace out.

I simply disagreed with it. I don't go crying saying, you oversell this, or you undersell that.


Bukdow, I think you nailed UM's chances this year. I totally agree. They are going to be bad, real bad. No way they even touch Wisc., OSU, MSU, or Indiana and I doubt they'd beat Illinois or Purdue. I don't think it is hatred in this case, I think it is realistic. No chance of UM finishing above .500 IMO. Overselling?


I have no clue where your optimism is coming from and I hope you give some props when UM starts getting whacked. I don't get what makes you optimistic. No muscle, no experienced pg play. Recipe for disaster, I'm telling ya.

Overselling?

So, in one post you deny the fact that twice you called me for overselling even though it was the last word in two previous posts. You also claim you "simply disagreed" when in reality you went as far as to say "no chance" and "I have no clue where your optimism is coming from". Call it semantics, but a simple "I disagree" is miles away from not having any clue where my optimism comes from.

Just thought you might enjoy seeing in black and white why so many people can quickly call you a hypocrite. The fact that you chose to detach MSU football from UM hoops is also insane. "You have to have horses with the coaching." In a sport where 5 people start and 8 or 9 play, I'll take a pair of 4 stars and a few high 3 stars. In a sport where 22 start and 30 or so play, where are the horses that give you optimism?

So you won't show up for a week huh? Awesome! Let's see if you are a man of your word. You asked for a MSU fan that agreed with me that this was Izzo's best coaching effort of his entire career (I believe that would include the NC year). Well, I took your challenge and took it one step further. I didn't find a Spartan fan that would agree with me, that's too easy, they were all over mb's last year. I FOUND A MICHIGAN FAN TO AGREE WITH ME!

Let's see what Michigan Man Mark Snyder had to say in his Free Press Blog:

Mark Snyder's Blog: "Considering Izzo just did the best coaching job of his career, not only making the NCAA but beating Marquette with arguably his least talented squad ever, ..."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You just got worked and now you've got to go. You wanted a Spartan to agree with me and I found an outspoken Michigan man that agreed. Doesn't get better than that. Peace out.

I will say that I thought what Izzo did last year was remarkable...Was it his best coaching job? It very well could be..

Gee let me see? Every fucking hoop rag wrote Izzo for dead last pre-season. They had ONE guy returning who was like the 5th option who averaged 7 ppg. and lost 60+ per game in 3 guys who were selected in the top 35 or so in the NBA Draft. The experts said NO DANCE THIS YEAR. Hah! Making chicken salad from chicken shit, making the dance, then beating Marquette in the tourney? His best job in a prett good career IMHO. See ya' .

I still think The Izzo did his best job a couple years ago when MSU went to their last Final Four. He beat some god DAMMED good teams on the way with a talent challenged team. Last year was OK, but like Xanadu says, the Big 10 was WEAK outside of OSU and Wisconsin.
Hip, I know you're underselling, but The Izzo has had a GREAT, not pretty good career.

No I call you a hypocrite because it is fine for you to have optimism for a crapping MSU football team, but let someone at UM have optimism for bball and you have to point out all the reasons that it wont happen.

I could sit here and give you football reasons why MSU will suck this year, the same as you did with Jethro. But I thought we were trying to get away from all that.

You are as big a homer as any UM person on this board and probably worse than most. But I am sure you will go pull a bunch of quotes out of your ass that shows how level headed and unbiased you are. Whatever, you do make me laugh though and for that I thank you.

So, in one post you deny the fact that twice you called me for overselling even though it was the last word in two previous posts. You also claim you "simply disagreed" when in reality you went as far as to say "no chance" and "I have no clue where your optimism is coming from". Call it semantics, but a simple "I disagree" is miles away from not having any clue where my optimism comes from.

Just thought you might enjoy seeing in black and white why so many people can quickly call you a hypocrite. The fact that you chose to detach MSU football from UM hoops is also insane. "You have to have horses with the coaching." In a sport where 5 people start and 8 or 9 play, I'll take a pair of 4 stars and a few high 3 stars. In a sport where 22 start and 30 or so play, where are the horses that give you optimism?

OMG! Dude, I write overselling or underselling in every post because of wizzle and filly claiming that I always do that (catch up you're trailing behind), when my posts are reflecting the opposite. Now point out to me in my quotes where I ripped YOU. Go ahead, I'm waiting. Saying I don't have a clue where the optimism is coming from or UM has no chance is simply me being very adament and sure about my opinion. If I was to rip you, I would have posted something about you, not UM's chances. Get it? You and the rest of the UM faithful need to look up the word hypocrite because you obviously don't have a clue as to what it means. Once again, I admitted IN MY FUCKING POST THAT I WAS BEING A HOMER WITH MY 7 WIN PREDICTION. Does everybody see it for the 8th fucking time? In addition, I don't care how close the two programs are, they are completely different sports and the competition is completely different. If you asked me about conference play in the two, they'll both probably be similar. You and the UMers claiming that I have to make the exact same prediction for both or I'm a hypocrite is far and away the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on here.

Gee let me see? Every fucking hoop rag wrote Izzo for dead last pre-season. They had ONE guy returning who was like the 5th option who averaged 7 ppg. and lost 60+ per game in 3 guys who were selected in the top 35 or so in the NBA Draft. The experts said NO DANCE THIS YEAR. Hah! Making chicken salad from chicken shit, making the dance, then beating Marquette in the tourney? His best job in a prett good career IMHO. See ya' .

That's my boy Hip! Even a Michigan writer agreed. Looks like Xanadu is gone for awhile.

No I call you a hypocrite because it is fine for you to have optimism for a crapping MSU football team, but let someone at UM have optimism for bball and you have to point out all the reasons that it wont happen.

I could sit here and give you football reasons why MSU will suck this year, the same as you did with Jethro. But I thought we were trying to get away from all that.

You are as big a homer as any UM person on this board and probably worse than most. But I am sure you will go pull a bunch of quotes out of your ass that shows how level headed and unbiased you are. Whatever, you do make me laugh though and for that I thank you.

This is seriously getting hilarious. You call me a hypocrite for being optimistic about MY team and more negative about the rival. Guess what Art, you could lump 99% of the college fans out there in that group. Are you serious? That's what we do! We hate on the rival and we love our own teams. You're bitching about that?

And here is where you are wrong...if you go into the football thread and post about why you think MSU will suck, I will probably agree with the majority of your stuff. And even if I don't, I would expect you to post your opinions. Inexperienced QB, unproven D, trouble with the WRs in camp thus far, questionable LBs at best, etc. etc. We are NOT trying to get away from that. We are trying to get away from what you are doing right now. Posting about an individual member here, not the topic.

This will be last post here for a week. I didn't realize that such a large contingent of spartan fans believed the hype.


but you can't seem to read either-Never once said the NC was less than what they did last year.


Actually, if you read my post, you would see that I understood completely. In fact, I posted a counter-example that proves I understood your point. I don't misunderstand, I disagree. (the fact that you can't read a 700 word post is unrelated to this.)

Michigan has been considered a shit team for years, but has still managed to be .500 for 4 out of the last 5 years. How hard can it be to go .500 in the big10 if michigan did it all the time? In fact, I searched for preseason predictions and state was picked to finish 6th or 7th in the big 10, which is exactly where they ended up. They finished behind Iowa, who was picked behind msu for the most part. However, I guess it was a mircale for Izzo to finish exactly where predicted. He shocked the world. He has had a great career, which is why over-glorifying last year is a joke in my opinion. He had one good win against wisconsin and a tourney win against a team missing its second best player. Other than that a bunch of home wins against marginal big10 teams. So if you want to call it his best year ever, I don't really care anymore. Even if you don't think the championship year was his best, you might want to consider why so many good coaches have struggled to win a title, but 8 out of 11 coaches in the big 10 matched or exceeded izzo's record last year.

By the way, the reason that I am more impressed with roy williams is because his team lost even more players than state's and he made them into a power in the acc. You have to admit that state was no better than mediocre in a rather poor big 10 conference. IMO it is much hard to finish 2nd in the ACC than tied for 7th in the big 10. That UNC team had Hansbrough, but no one else was ranked in Rivals top 30, and they relied on freshmen much much more than state did.

I enjoy reading xanadu's posts. He's accomplishing the overly usual: making Tre look dumb.

"He (Izzo) had one good win against wisconsin and a tourney win against a team missing its second best player." Xanadu

The win against Tejas and Durrant wasn't bad and a nice representative run against a much more talented UNC team where MSU was winning with 8 minutes to go in a Tar Heel friendly gym was pretty impressive. Again, MSU was left for dead with a 7 ppg guy returning. The performances he coaxed out of these guys blew me away.

You're right tre.

Winning a national championship is a fairly trivial accomplishment in comparison to last year's unbelievable run. I would much rather my coach finish ahead of NW, PSU, and Minnesota with inexperienced, but talented players. Those 3 perennial losers are the only b10 teams that had a worse record than msu last year! Further, it is obvious that the big 10 was pretty weak last year anyways (outside of wisc and osu). yet, msu finished 1-7 on the road and tied for 7th. big fucking deal. I'm not even convinced msu had less talent than UM, Iowa, Purdue, or Illinois. i know that at least neitzel, gray and morgan were all highly touted recruits. why shouldn't that team have won at home against mediocre b10 teams? Tell you what, if you find me one hundred and thirty seven thousand State fans (other than bukdow, who is is prison and doesn't count) that thinks that izzo's job last year was more impressive than winning a title, I won't post in ncaa for a week.

For a better example of a coach possibly exceeding his performance in a championship season: Roy Williams had a great year right after he won a title. He overachieved with a bunch of young players and finished with a ranking in the top 15 in a tough acc. That coaching effort may have exceeded his championship effort. However, there is a big difference between that performance and last year's spartans IMO.

I think this whole thing is being blown out of proportion. Clearly, if you RE READ xanadu's post, you'll see that this is all just a big misunderstanding.
Tre, I would encourage you to cease and desist with your conspiratorial efforst to drive Michigan fans off this board. People as far away as Sri Lanka are sick and tired of this shit, and the proper governmental authorities have been notified of your shenanigans.

Taking this private, sorry for the edit.

At the very least the exchange between Glenn and Tre should have taken place in the Mod forum, I would think.

Agreed.

I was just coming here to move my post (and a few others) to an existing discussion about this.

My bad.

So how about that Big Ten basketball schedule?

This will be last post here for a week. I didn't realize that such a large contingent of spartan fans believed the hype.



Actually, if you read my post, you would see that I understood completely. In fact, I posted a counter-example that proves I understood your point. I don't misunderstand, I disagree. (the fact that you can't read a 700 word post is unrelated to this.)

Michigan has been considered a shit team for years, but has still managed to be .500 for 4 out of the last 5 years. How hard can it be to go .500 in the big10 if michigan did it all the time? In fact, I searched for preseason predictions and state was picked to finish 6th or 7th in the big 10, which is exactly where they ended up. They finished behind Iowa, who was picked behind msu for the most part. However, I guess it was a mircale for Izzo to finish exactly where predicted. He shocked the world. He has had a great career, which is why over-glorifying last year is a joke in my opinion. He had one good win against wisconsin and a tourney win against a team missing its second best player. Other than that a bunch of home wins against marginal big10 teams. So if you want to call it his best year ever, I don't really care anymore. Even if you don't think the championship year was his best, you might want to consider why so many good coaches have struggled to win a title, but 8 out of 11 coaches in the big 10 matched or exceeded izzo's record last year.

By the way, the reason that I am more impressed with roy williams is because his team lost even more players than state's and he made them into a power in the acc. You have to admit that state was no better than mediocre in a rather poor big 10 conference. IMO it is much hard to finish 2nd in the ACC than tied for 7th in the big 10. That UNC team had Hansbrough, but no one else was ranked in Rivals top 30, and they relied on freshmen much much more than state did.

I agree %100. I thought Izzo did a good job coaching last year myself, but to say his best job ever is rediculous. It is so hard to win a title you can't even compare it to finishing in the middle of the Big 10, even with a marginal roster. You have to win or go home every night in March Madness, and aside from the first and sometimes second rounds, against premere teams.

They beat Utah, Syracuse (one NBA player), Iowa State (2 NBA players), Wisconsin (who beat Zona with RJ, Arenas and Walton) and Florida (3 NBA players and took out Illinois, Duke and UNC).

And you are saying a .500 record in the big 10 and 3 wins against top 25 schools is his best coaching year ever?

Hey guys,

Just wanted to say that, rest assured, I will be back next week. I have to go out of town for work this week anyways. I just made a silly, boastful statement, but it was my idea. no big deal!!

To get back on track, i think that the izzo-beilein bar has been set. Here is a nice article about beilein at wvu.

http://media.www.dailyorange.com/media/storage/paper522/news/2006/02/20/Sports/Mbb-Believing.In.Belein.Basketball.Matching.Football.T hanks.To.Coach.John.Beile-1619915.shtml

That is all.

Hey guys,

Just wanted to say that, rest assured, I will be back next week. I have to go out of town for work this week anyways. I just made a silly, boastful statement, but it was my idea. no big deal!!

To get back on track, i think that the izzo-beilein bar has been set. Here is a nice article about beilein at wvu.

http://media.www.dailyorange.com/media/storage/paper522/news/2006/02/20/Sports/Mbb-Believing.In.Belein.Basketball.Matching.Football.T hanks.To.Coach.John.Beile-1619915.shtml

That is all.

Hasn't Beilein had as many seasons at WV where his teams had BELOW .500 in-conf records compared to above .500 in-conf records? Is that the "bar" that he's bringing to the Big Ten?

Hasn't Beilein had as many seasons at WV where his teams had BELOW .500 in-conf records compared to above .500 in-conf records? Is that the "bar" that he's bringing to the Big Ten?
You son of a bitch! You may think that you could hide your vicious attack behind an "innocent" question, but your obvious negative statement regarding Coach Bielein and the incredible job he has done at WVU, and will do at UM, will not be tolerated. You had better wash your filthy little hands and compose a post worthy of Coach Bielein and UM`s deep tournament run this year.

You son of a bitch! You may think that you could hide your vicious attack behind an "innocent" question, but your obvious negative statement regarding Coach Bielein and the incredible job he has done at WVU, and will do at UM, will not be tolerated. You had better wash your filthy little hands and compose a post worthy of Coach Bielein and UM`s deep tournament run this year.

Man, UM goes out and hires a basketball coach with some past success, and bukdow jumps right aboard the bandwagon!
Welcome bukdow! Your past relations with Michigan State are forgiven (but not forgotten).
But I think you are just a little too giddy regarding UM this year, as those of us who have a brain and a personality can attest (don't worry, we'll try to get you a brain and a personality, buk). UM will not make the tourney this year, and will barely be above 500 at season's end.

So wait. Now we're bringing records into this? John Beilein goes 104-60at WVU, with a .500 record in-conference. Mark Dantonio goes 18-17 at Cincinnati with a .500 in-conference record. But shame on Michigan fans for showing some excitement about the future. MSU has the far superior new coach and MSU's football team will be destined for a much better record this year while Michigan basketball is destined for mediocrity once again.

No wait - I know the reason for the sarcastic post. That fucker xanadu mentioned Izzo's name in the same sentence with another coach. Fuck that xanadu cat. You don't mention The Izzo's name near anyone elses nor do you compare him to anyone.

MoTown:
Let me explain myself here: I think UM will be down THIS year, but I DO think Belien will have them very, very competitive by next season, and they'll be regular NCAA Tourney participants with him at the helm.

MoTown:
Let me explain myself here: I think UM will be down THIS year, but I DO think Belien will have them very, very competitive by next season, and they'll be regular NCAA Tourney participants with him at the helm.
You know what, Zippy? I think you are absolutely right. With the stellar 2008 and 2009 recruiting classes UM has coming in, I foresee Big Ten championships (which don`t really mean anything according to jethro) and Tournament supremacy.

bukdow:
You are right, sir. It is a very small leap from "very, very competitive" to making John Wooden and UCLA look like the Papua, New Guinea wheelchair basketball team.
Again, glad to have you aboard the UM bandwagon!

haha, nice sig. You only wish.

So wait. Now we're bringing records into this? John Beilein goes 104-60at WVU, with a .500 record in-conference. Mark Dantonio goes 18-17 at Cincinnati with a .500 in-conference record. But shame on Michigan fans for showing some excitement about the future. MSU has the far superior new coach and MSU's football team will be destined for a much better record this year while Michigan basketball is destined for mediocrity once again.


I thought this was a college basketball thread about schedules and potential records?! No? Is it that difficult to keep the topic contained to the initial sport mentioned. This thread isn't about football....and all I know is that any M fan that has anything higher than low expectations for their basketball team this year seriously needs to have their head examined.

Future seasons down the road...well that's a different story.

Anything not related to BT basketball schedule from this point on is booted.

For the 23rd consecutive year, portions of the Carrs/Safeway Great Alaska Shootout will be televised live nationally on the ESPN family of networks. Pairings and televised games for the 2007 Shootout were announced Friday by Dr. Steve Cobb, director of athletics at host University of Alaska Anchorage.

The 30th annual Shootout will be held Nov. 20-24 at Anchorage’s Sullivan Arena.

A total of seven games from the 2007 men’s tournament will be shown on the ESPN family, beginning with the Michigan-Butler matchup Wednesday, Nov. 21, at 7:30 p.m. AST/11:30 p.m. EST. Eastern Washington will meet Virginia Tech in the nightcap at 9:45 p.m. AST/1:45 a.m. EST. The other ESPN2 game will be the championship tilt on Saturday, Nov. 24 at 8:30 p.m. AST. The first-round game between Western Kentucky and Gonzaga on Thursday, Nov. 22, will air on ESPNU at 7:30 p.m. AST, while ESPN360 will pick up the Alaska Anchorage-Texas Tech first-round game, both semifinals Friday, Nov. 23 (5:30 and 8 p.m. AST), and Saturday’s third-place contest at 6 p.m. AST.

In the women’s tournament first round, on Tuesday, Nov. 20, host UAA will meet Cleveland State at 6 p.m., followed by Bradley vs. Santa Clara at 8 p.m. The women’s Shootout will conclude Nov. 21 with the consolation game at 2:30 p.m. and the championship contest at 5 p.m.

2007 Carrs/Safeway Great Alaska Shootout
Nov. 20-24 – Sullivan Arena – Anchorage, Alaska
Hosted by the University of Alaska Anchorage
All times Alaska Standard (4 hrs behind EST)

WOMEN’S TOURNAMENT
Tuesday, Nov. 20 – First Round
6 pm (10 pm EST) – Cleveland State vs Alaska Anchorage
8 pm (Midnight EST) – Bradley vs Santa Clara

Wednesday, Nov. 21
2:30 pm – Third-place game
5 pm – Championship

MEN’S TOURNAMENT
Wednesday, Nov. 21 - First Round
7:30 pm – Michigan vs Butler (ESPN2)
9:45 pm – Eastern Washington vs Virginia Tech

Thursday, Nov. 22 - First Round
5 pm – Texas Tech vs Alaska Anchorage (ESPN360)
7:30 pm – Western Kentucky vs Gonzaga (ESPNU)

Friday, Nov. 23
Consolation Semifinals
Noon – EWU/VT loser vs UM/BU loser
2 pm – WKU/GU loser vs TT/UAA loser
Semifinals
5:30 pm – EWU/VT winner vs UM/BU winner (ESPN360)
8 pm – WKU/GU winner vs TT/UAA winner (ESPN360)

Saturday, Nov. 24
Noon – 7th/8th place game
2 pm – 4th/6th place game
6 pm – 3rd/5th place game (ESPN360)
8:30 pm – Championship (ESPN2)