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Pistons sign F McDyess to contract extension
July 23, 2007
AUBURN HILLS, MICHIGAN (TICKER) -- The Detroit Pistons retained a key member of their bench Monday, signing forward Antonio McDyess to a contract extension.
Financial terms were not disclosed for McDyess, who was entering the final year of his contract. He was set to make $6.3 million in 2007-08.
"I'm excited to have worked out a contract extension with the Pistons," McDyess said. "We have enjoyed a lot of success as a team since I came to Detroit three years ago and I look forward to the upcoming season and another run at a championship."
McDyess, 32, appeared in 82 games for the second straight season this past campaign, averaging 8.1 points and 6.0 rebounds. He led the Pistons' bench in scoring and rebounding and finished fourth in voting for the NBA Sixth Man of the Year.
"We are pleased to have reached an agreement that will keep Antonio McDyess here as an important veteran leader on this team," Pistons president of basketball operations Joe Dumars said. "Antonio has been a major part of our success over the last three years and we look forward to his continued solid play in the future."
Slowed by a knee injury that limited him to a total of 52 games from 2001-04, McDyess was selected second overall by the Los Angeles Clippers in 1995. He was an All-Star during the 2000 campaign with Denver. The 6-9 McDyess has career averages of 14.0 points and 7.6 rebounds in 725 games.

He was set to make $6.3 million in 2007-08.

The wording makes it sound like this included a renegotiation of his 07/08 salary, which it can't. Right?

Looks like Dice won't be traded, Joe wouldn't do that.

So did joe extend him through just 2008-2009 or further?

I'm happy with the move as long as it isn't to long of an extension which i doubt it is.

i would guess its something like 3y/16 mil

So this extension must have been a condition of Dice picking up his option, otherwise, why would Joe have just taken what would have been a valuable expiring contract and negated it?

He could have always re-signed him after the season, so this probably was part of the plan all along.

So could we concievably pay him less than the 6.3 mil? Would Joe then use the MLE?

I don't think you can renegotiate NBA contracts, you can extend them, however.

Mr. Coon


52. Can existing contracts be renegotiated?

A contract for four or more seasons can be renegotiated after the third anniversary of its signing, extension, or renegotiation that increased any season's salary by more than 8%. Contracts for fewer than four seasons cannot be renegotiated. A contract cannot be renegotiated between March 1 and June 30 of any year. Only teams under the cap can renegotiate a contract, and the salary in the then-current season can be increased only to the extent that the team has room under the cap. Raises in subsequent years are limited to 10.5% of the salary in the first renegotiated season. The renegotiation may not contain a signing bonus. Contracts cannot be renegotiated downward (players can't take a "pay cut" in order to create salary cap room for the team) or to contain fewer seasons.

Again, a team over the salary cap cannot renegotiate a contract. An interesting case of this was Shawn Kemp with the Sonics. Kemp, who was unhappy with his contract and wanted to renegotiate, could not get a larger contract from the Sonics because they were over the cap. Kemp forced a trade to Cleveland, who was far enough under the cap at the time to give him the large contract he wanted. Kemp's contract was renegotiated soon after the trade.

I don't think we can negotiate his current salary lower, can we?



edit - Nevermind, thanks Glenn

I dunno, ask Zach Miner.

I don't mean re-negotiate. Wasn't this year an option year? I guess what I am asking is whether the extension can start this year or not.

He picked up his option year (07/08) on June 26, 2007 for $6.3 million.

It's my understanding that once he did that, all we could do was extend into future years (starting with 08/09).

The way to work around that would have been to have him decline the option and then sign him to a new deal once he was a UFA.

But they would have needed cap room or the MLE to sign him then, I think.

I'm really hoping its only a one year extension, MAYBE 2 if its cheap. Hopefully by then the young guys will be ready to go.

Then again, maybe we extended him 2-3 years just so he could retire a piston, knowing that in the next year or two he'd retire. Who knows.

http://www.nba.com/pistons/news/sinking_roots_070723.html


Pistons keep McDyess in the fold by inking veteran to contract extension
Sinking Roots
by Keith Langlois

AUBURN HILLS, Mich. – What was widely anticipated since Antonio McDyess chose not to opt out of the last year of the contract he signed when joining the Pistons as a free agent three years ago came to pass on Monday – the Pistons and their superb sixth man have agreed on a contract extension. McDyess, 32, played in all 82 games for the Pistons last season, averaging 8.1 points and 6.0 rebounds in 21.1 minutes a game. The 12-year veteran started slowly but played exceptionally well from January and beyond, after the NBA brought back the old leather basketball.
It was also about that time when Pistons president Joe Dumars called McDyess into his office to reassure him that he would not be traded. When the Pistons signed Chris Webber after Philadelphia bought out his contract, Dumars said it was probably inevitable that he would have to ease the team’s frontcourt logjam by trading one of its veterans. McDyess later told Pistons.com that he would have seriously contemplated retirement rather than reporting to another team.
“I’m excited to have worked out a contract extension with the Pistons,” McDyess said. “We have enjoyed a lot of success as a team since I came to Detroit three years ago and I look forward to the upcoming season and making another run at an NBA championship.”
McDyess has remained remarkably healthy since joining the Pistons given his injury history for the three years prior to that. After achieving All-Star status while a member of the Denver Nuggets in 2001, a run of knee injuries limited McDyess to 10 games the following season and forced him to miss the entire 2002-03 season. He came back midway through the 2003-04 season and joined the Pistons that summer.
Once one of the most explosive athletes in the NBA, McDyess remains a highly effective rebounder and defender whose best offensive weapon has become the 15- to 18-foot jump shot from the baselines and elbows. Since joining the Pistons, McDyess – a highly superstitious player – has been adamant in his desire to come off the bench, even resisting emergency starting roles.
“We are pleased to have reached an agreement that will keep Antonio McDyess here as an important veteran leader on this team,” Dumars said. “Antonio has been a major part of our success over the last three years and we look forward to his continued solid play in the future.”
The Mississippi native was a member of the gold medal-winning USA Basketball team that competed at the 2000 Olympic Games in Sydney, Australia. McDyess boasts career NBA averages of 13.9 points, 7.6 rebounds and 1.3 assists in 725 games.

He picked up his option year (07/08) on June 26, 2007 for $6.3 million.

It's my understanding that once he did that, all we could do was extend into future years (starting with 08/09).

The way to work around that would have been to have him decline the option and then sign him to a new deal once he was a UFA.

But they would have needed cap room or the MLE to sign him then, I think.
Yeah, if they had declined it they would have needed the MLE to sign him. I thought maybe you could still sign a contract for a certain time period after picking up the option and it would ovveride that option year. I think that is in a different sport though.

It's 6.9 and 7.5 million.

:mccosky:


Pistons sign McDyess to two-year extension

Chris McCosky / The Detroit News

AUBURN HILLS -- Antonio McDyess will be a Piston through 2010 at least.

McDyess, 32, signed a two-year extension with the Pistons on Monday that will pay him roughly $14.46 million from 2008-09 though 2009-10.

He will make $6.3 million next season, the last year of his initial deal with the Pistons, $6.9 million in 2008-09 and $7.5 million in 2009-10.

"I am excited," McDyess said in a prepared statement. "We have enjoyed a lot of success as a team since I came to Detroit three years ago and I look forward to the upcoming season and making another run at a title."

McDyess, after battling various knee injuries, has played in all 82 games the last two seasons for the Pistons. He averaged 8.1 points and 6.0 rebounds last season.

What, do I need to make a little emoticon of my face?

What, do I need to make a little emoticon of my face?

Sorry, didn't read, no emoticon.

What, do I need to make a little emoticon of my face?

That, we can use.

glenn@wtfdetroit.com

excellent deal. reasonable money and length of contract. so his deal is up when he's 35. i think it's very possible that he could still be a key big man for the next 3 years. after that, if he decides to play another year or 2, he could be a nice end of the bench vet influence for us still.

excellent deal=? 6.9 and 7.5 is too much, Joe did it again, overpayed for a veteran bigman...Corliss, Cliffy, Campbell, Davis, Nazr...now Dice [smilie=duh.gif]

That was a steal.

excellent deal=? 6.9 and 7.5 is too much, Joe did it again, overpayed for a veteran bigman...Corliss, Cliffy, Campbell, Davis, Nazr...now Dice [smilie=duh.gif]
only two out that bunch were a complete failure. Before Cliffy fans chew me out, he sucked donkey balls in the playoffs.

dice is our best all around big man. he's consistent from january 1st all the way through the playoffs. (takes him about 2 months at the start of the season to get into top shape)

he's in great shape physically and we know we can count on him to give us good bench production offensively, on the boards, and defensively too.

i think it's a very fair deal for both sides and i'm happy with it. those other bigs you mentioned weren't half as good as dice.

Davis would have been better if we actually used him. He was still a decent big. I agree that this is a bit high though. I was thinking somewhere around 5.5-6 mill a year.

if we can use him this year and next and then trade him. I liek the deal, but having him at 35 at 7 million, I'm not so excited about that one.

Who were we competing with for McDyess, again, especially after his non-shooting playoff performance?

No one. No one at all. That's why I think we should have gone with only 5-6 million for him. No one else was giving him that money.

I don't like this deal especially since there wasn't a need to extend.

I also don't like extending contracts (when you don't need to) of players that are aging and have a rich history of serious injuries in their past.

I also don't like extending the contract of a player that plays the same position as two of the kids we're hoping to find minutes for (maxiell and johnson).

Add to the fact he only plays 1/2 of the season AND shoots 35% vs. playoff competiton equals another mistake by Joe D.

The guy plays hard, no doubt, but he was worth more as an expiring contract in my book.

As much as I am critical of Joe's decisions as of late, I don't have a big problem with the amount he gave Dice.

Dice is one of my favorites, a valuable contributor and he's got a lot of basketball left in him. Man, would I love to see him get his ring.

Now the timing of the signing is another matter...

I don't like this deal especially since there wasn't a need to extend.
Maybe not, but thats a subjective issue. No right or wrong in it.


I also don't like extending contracts (when you don't need to) of players that are aging and have a rich history of serious injuries in their past.
I agree with Glenn that his style of play will be something he can effectively use for atleast 4 more years. And its far different style from the high flying dunk and force his way to the basket style he used to do. That reflects in the fact that he's not been injury prone since getting here nor has he ever missed significant time in a pistons uniform. I can't even come close to agreeing with him being injury prone at this juncture.


I also don't like extending the contract of a player that plays the same position as two of the kids we're hoping to find minutes for (maxiell and johnson).
So we should "give" all the minutes to maxiell and amir??? Dyess=Proven. The other 2 are not. This isnt a rebuilding year, so we still need proven vets.


Add to the fact he only plays 1/2 of the season AND shoots 35% vs. playoff competiton equals another mistake by Joe D.
Actually his career playoff average is almost 47 percent and was almost 56 percent the year before. Way to narrow the spectrum. But thats fine, he had his first sub par offensive showing the playoffs, but he was still our best rebounder off the bench and hustled more than every other player on the team. Not really something I'd hold against him. to each his own I guess. Just happy you dont run the team if extended Dyess is boneheaded in your book.


The guy plays hard, no doubt, but he was worth more as an expiring contract in my book.
To what? a trade? I think the idea was have him finish his career as a Piston. Furthermore he's stated that when his run here is over, he's done. Unless we were trading him to a supreme powerhouse, he'd just retire anyways. That kills quite a bit of value in the first place with teams knowing that. Only way he had as much value as you say is if your were trading him on NBA Live 08..

The motto is if people work hard and want to be here, we want to keep them(I.E. Dyess). If they dont, we move them(I.E. Delfino). probably paid more than we should have. But not much more, so again thats not a big deal to me.

Its weird how people bitch when Joe D overpays, and bitch when he's unwilling to do so. :yingyang: thats a double edge sword with no handle.

Dyess hasn't missed a game his last two years and almost no one looks good if you are only looking at last year's playoff stats.


Its weird how people bitch when Joe D overpays, and bitch when he's unwilling to do so. :yingyang: thats a double edge sword with no handle.

That's shogun stuff right there.

When you look at the deals that Kapono and Walton got, are we really overpaying Dice?

Overpaying? He's getting fair market value but I think a lot of the guys on this board wanted to see us get a deal. The problem that I see is if this team fall apart and we have to rebuild, I don't know how easy he will be to move.

We won't be moving Dyess anyway. And even if Joe blew things up, Dyess' contract would still be good if someone wanted him anyway. Dyess would be filler in a RIP plus picks for Kobe type of swap anyway. Nobody would give anything great for a one year rental Dyess even if we didn't extend him.

I'm just surprised that we offered Chauncey only a hair more than what other teams could've/would've mustered, but didn't do the same with McDyess. Did he have other offers on the table?

I'm betting it has to do with contract length. We can afford to pay for a couple years, but with Billups it would mean a lot down the road to give him an extra mil in year 1.

In fact, it can be seen as a bonus to give a larger contract to a short term deal for a valuable player like Dyess. The extra mil (beyond the MLE) means he's better filler in a big deal IF you went that route. You could package him in a deal getting you a player that makes an extra few million (say you did a Kobe deal for example). You wouldn't have to find additional filler, which is key because Flip and Hunter would be gone and I'm not sure you'd have a 2 mil expiring deal to throw in there.

Joe has done that here before. He paid EC and others more than he needed to, probably on purpose for trade fodder.

I have no problem with us resigning him. Probably was something they agreed to do before he took his player option. I think its a little bit high but not enough that I'd say its a bad deal. Dyess has proven he's a valuable asset here and he's someone I'd love to see the young guys learning from. Always working hard, giving it his full effort. Sheed has more skills, but Dyess is a better role model.

I'm just surprised that we offered Chauncey only a hair more than what other teams could've/would've mustered, but didn't do the same with McDyess. Did he have other offers on the table?


Seeing as he was undercontract I doubt he had suitors. His total deal is now just a bit less than Stackhouse got, another perenial 6th man candidate, this deal is fair and a good thing for our team.

Maybe not, but thats a subjective issue. No right or wrong in it.


I agree with Glenn that his style of play will be something he can effectively use for atleast 4 more years. And its far different style from the high flying dunk and force his way to the basket style he used to do. That reflects in the fact that he's not been injury prone since getting here nor has he ever missed significant time in a pistons uniform. I can't even come close to agreeing with him being injury prone at this juncture.


So we should "give" all the minutes to maxiell and amir??? Dyess=Proven. The other 2 are not. This isnt a rebuilding year, so we still need proven vets.


Actually his career playoff average is almost 47 percent and was almost 56 percent the year before. Way to narrow the spectrum. But thats fine, he had his first sub par offensive showing the playoffs, but he was still our best rebounder off the bench and hustled more than every other player on the team. Not really something I'd hold against him. to each his own I guess. Just happy you dont run the team if extended Dyess is boneheaded in your book.


To what? a trade? I think the idea was have him finish his career as a Piston. Furthermore he's stated that when his run here is over, he's done. Unless we were trading him to a supreme powerhouse, he'd just retire anyways. That kills quite a bit of value in the first place with teams knowing that. Only way he had as much value as you say is if your were trading him on NBA Live 08..

The motto is if people work hard and want to be here, we want to keep them(I.E. Dyess). If they dont, we move them(I.E. Delfino). probably paid more than we should have. But not much more, so again thats not a big deal to me.

Its weird how people bitch when Joe D overpays, and bitch when he's unwilling to do so. :yingyang: thats a double edge sword with no handle.

Again, my points were that there wasn't a need to extend, never that joe d. overpaid. I honestly couldn't care less if the pistons overpaid, I don't write the checks.

I also don't care if mcdyess retires as a piston. He hasn't won anything as a piston so he's nothing more than Terry Tyler or Earl Cureton was to me.

With that being said, I think it's fair to say he's had serious injuries in the past and on more than one occasion. I also disagree that he's been 100% healthy while in a pistons uniform since it's been documented and publicly stated by mcdyess that it takes him 1/2 the season before he becomes effective due to the severity of his previous injuries and his inability (or refusal) to stay in shape during the offseason.

And it's my personal opinion that there is an inherent risk involved when dealing with aging players that have had serious previous injuries even if they are currently "healthy." Just look at Chris Carpenter of the St. Louis Cardinals. Had Tommy John surgery 4 years ago. Comes back, wins a cy young award. Gets a contract extention coming into this year (even though he had 2 years on his contract) and now he's having another tommy john surgery and will never be the same pitcher again. The cards are screwed for 5 years. Just imagine if there was a salary cap involved.

These things happen all the time. If Mcdyess were 22 or if he never had serious injuries in his past it would be different. It's why I think Joe should have exercised patience.

As for minutes distribution, no we shouldn't give all minutes to the kids this year. That point is moot since mcdyess was already under contract this year.

Again, I wish joe excercised patience and made the observation about whether or not the kids are ready before extending mcdyess to see if there was another need this team has more prevalent than back-up power forward which could be proven to be a surplus.

As for his playoff performance, no doubt he plays with more passion than just about anyone on this team which I commend. Again, he was under contract this year so he would have played with this same passion in 08 during the playoffs. I'm not contesting that.

But, he is getting older and our opponents are getting younger and more athletic (and are really good at closing in on jump shooters which is all he is) which does raise red flags in my eye. It could have been one off year for him and he would have been given another chance at redemption in 2008. BUT, I don't see him getting any better as an offensive player and his presence may keep our younger presence from making a presence which is a direction I think this team needs to go.

I don't think we're championship material anymore.

Again, this is all opinion and conjecture and I hope I'm wrong. I'm definitely a glass is half-empty kinda guy which most people should be considering only one team wins each year.

Great post.

Look what Darko got, and immediately feel better.

IMO, this is fine when looking at market value, although I don't know why we did it now instead of later in case something would happen.

I'm still saying this is something they agreed upon prior to him exercising his option.

yargs makes some good points, but Joe can still move Dyess in a deal if the kids (Max and Amir) are ready after this year. I'm not worried about that at all.

The only angle that worries me is the injury angle yargs brought up. If he has a career ending injury then we're eating his 7 mil a year plus Nazr's waste of contract (unless he plays significant minutes this year). That's a lot of money wasted on a team that will not pay taxes.

Beyond a certain point, I think it's fair to say a guy has gotten past an injury and is no more of an injury risk than any other player of similar age and condition. Three full seasons with the pistons and the knees haven't been a problem, I'm not sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for his kneecap to shatter every time he makes a hustle play.

The skills question is a different story. I love his game but I don't relish the notion of three more years of hoping his annual slump will end in time for the playoffs.

All things considered, I'm glad they rolled the---um, took a chance on him with the extension. Of the "core" he is by far the hungriest and the humblest, qualities sorely lacking in the trophy-entitlement 2004 alumni club.

Haven't seen you in a while Gee, anywhere. You doing ok?

Who were we competing with for McDyess, again, especially after his non-shooting playoff performance?

That's pretty irrelevant. Dyess' value on the market probably would have been the MLE for 3 years. He's one of the better 6 men in basketball and I think most teams know that regardless of bad shooting for a few games.

That's pretty irrelevant. Dyess' value on the market probably would have been the MLE for 3 years. He's one of the better 6 men in basketball and I think most teams know that regardless of bad shooting for a few games.
I could see a team spending a good chunk of its MLE, but would a mid-thirties guy with injury history that takes a long time to warm up because of it, coming off a personally disappointing playoff, get the full MLE? I'm not so sure.

Note that this isn't so much about how I feel about the deal, but how JD and Davidson feel. I'd expect them to spend good money but not more, especially after what happened with Chauncey.

I think this is a genious move to match up with next eastern powerhouse...

That's right, the atlanta hawks. How many other teams have a fourth pf in reserve in case the first 3 foul out.

sheed v. horford
mcdyess v. s. williams
amir v. j. smith
maxiel v. m. williams

FOr some reason, this reminds me of the time larry brown benched mcdyess in the third quarter of game 7 v. the spurs because he had 4 fouls. duncan went on a tear vs. tay and dominated the rest of the game. I never understood why the media didn't crucify him for that. Why must all 3 front court players start the 4th with 4 fouls or less. I don't think mcdyess even played in the 4th uqarter for which he was saved.

Haven't seen you in a while Gee, anywhere. You doing ok?

Hey there, I've been around... just mostly lurking. Aside from low-grade nausea lingering from the way the playoffs ended, I'm doing pretty good :)

Good to hear.

Trigonometry + bridges = No God. :)

:mccosky:


Wedding Bells
I forgot to mention yesterday that Antonio McDyess got married over the weekend. He and his long-time girl Liara were wed on an island resort (don't even ask me to try and spell it) in Mexico. Congrats to the McDyesses.

I wonder if they are planning on having little 4-sideds anytime soon.

I wonder if they are planning on having little 4-sideds anytime soon.

...took me a minute...

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First I ever heard of Liara, so I looked her up and found this interview:

http://alabama.scout.com/2/598214.html