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Glenn
07-23-2007, 08:59 AM
Short, but fun.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/7048992


You mentioned the Pistons' "quick-hitting, cohesive team-offense" under Larry Brown in a recent article about free agent signings. It's funny, because while I also remember it being well-run, Larry Brown's Pistons never scored many points as a team. By contrast, the Pistons score significantly more under Flip, but their offense sometimes seems too out-of-synch. What gives? And which is/was the most effective? — Kevin, Munich


Brown's offense in Detroit featured perpetual ball and player movement, usually keyed by the cuts, curls and pops of Rip Hamilton. While these movements were quick-paced, the offense was also patient. Sometimes, the Pistons' opponents were forced to play defense for 20 seconds — until eventually their concentration waned and the Pistons wound up with good looks (and not only for Hamilton).

At the other end, Detroit's defense was so ferocious that opponents had to resort to running their fourth and sometimes even fifth options on their workaday offenses. Frequently, the Pistons' defense was also able to totally disrupt the opponents' offensive schemes and squeeze offenses against the shot clock.

So it was a question of pace. Looking at Brown's last year in Detroit, and Flip's first year, it's instructive to notice that both the Pistons and their opponents took fewer shots under the former's regime than the latter's. This, of course, is not an ultimate statistic — just more of a flavor, so to speak.

Because more players were involved in Brown's offense, and there was less reliance on one-on-one play, there's no doubt that his offense was far superior to the your-turn-my-turn-his-turn offenses promulgated by Flip.

Glenn
07-23-2007, 09:00 AM
Unrelated, but from the same article.


In New York, Isiah Thomas is such an obvious phony that Kobe would quickly tune him out. lol



Who are the best clutch players currently in the NBA? Who should a competent NBA coach hope to have the ball with a game on the line and the shot clock ticking down? — Robert Vard, Dublin, Ireland

Since win-or-lose players also have to be good free-throw shooters, Tim Duncan doesn't make the cut. LeBron James and Gilbert Arenas are likewise too iffy from the stripe.

The vote here is an obvious one — Kobe Bryant. Just a tad behind is Derek Fisher, if only because he can't create his own good looks as well as Kobe. Also on the list are Manu Ginobili, Steve Nash, Dwayne Wade and Chauncey Billups.

Fool
07-23-2007, 09:09 AM
The Pistons were quick hitting under Brown?

Rosen is talking out of his ass in this. The Brown offense was to pump it down low and then use the jump shooters as safety valves (when not just setting up a Rip play). There was nothing "quick hit" about it. If the ball didn't reverse direction at least once it was a bad possession in LBs mind. The first open look was never to be taken if it was a jumpshot. Priority 1,2,3 and 4 were to get close to the basket. Does anyone remember the Pacer series and all those mid-range clogged as all hell contested jumpers?

metr0man
07-23-2007, 08:38 PM
Rosen is talking out of his ass in this. The Brown offense was to pump it down low and then use the jump shooters as safety valves (when not just setting up a Rip play). There was nothing "quick hit" about it. If the ball didn't reverse direction at least once it was a bad possession in LBs mind. The first open look was never to be taken if it was a jumpshot. Priority 1,2,3 and 4 were to get close to the basket. Does anyone remember the Pacer series and all those mid-range clogged as all hell contested jumpers?

... man, I miss LB. I think I just saw every complaint about Flip's offense I ever had in the past 2 years reflected in this post. Ball staying on one side of the court, quick jumpshots and jumpshot oriented offense, half-hearted attempts at playing inside and getting close to the basket.
LB's offense was ugly, but effective, because by making getting close to the basket a priority, it thus increased our chances to score instead of relying on the hot/cold nature of jumpshooting, its just the pace of the game was so slow as a result that it was low scoring.

Timone
07-24-2007, 05:31 AM
I like Rosen. I'm relying on you Glenn.