I am curious as to why alumni from other schools (e.g. EMU, SVSU, etc.) become fans of UM? You have no affiliation to the school and actually graduated from another. Do you want to associate yourself with a "winner"? Do you switch allegiances when the victory wind blows in another direction? Is it just the football program?

I root for MSU because I have two degrees from the university, its my school. Therefore, I stick with the Spartans through thick and thin.

One more question. Why do those who root for UM, but are alumnists of a regional high school, always try to dog the academic credibility of MSU? Granted, UM is overall a more highly ranked university, but MSU certainly isn`t chopped liver. In some cases MSU`s programs rank higher than UM`s. MSU is ranked in the Top 100 universities in the world. UM is ranked higher, but again, MSU isn`t chopped liver by any measure.

I grew up a UM fan all through childhood.

When it came time for college, I chose the in-state school that had the best program in the area that I was interested in (Advertising) and that was MSU. That was purely a career decision and it had nothing to do with sports (and the fact that most of my buddys were also going to MSU).

I stayed true to my lifelong love of UM sports and never switched my allegiances just because I got my degree from MSU.

I think MSU is a fine school, it's just fun to make fun of because so many MSU sports fans are so insecure about the perception that they are "inferior". It's fun to play off that.

I went to CMU, if that isn't obvious. I root for U of M football and MSU basketball. not because they win, but what they stand for.

I didn't root for U of M when they were good with the fab 5, or with Glenn Rice. I liked Steve Smith, Shawn Respert, Jamie Fieck, all those guys. I liked the hard nose gritty guys better than the flashy fab five. I continue to like them thru the Izzo era. I like the toughness and rebounding mentality.

That is what I like about U of M football. I like the smash mouth run the football style. It's not about what team wins, it's about whether that team respresents your passion in a football team.

And it's not just college either. I hated the Cowboys of the 90's. So what if they won? They were punks. I've typpically rooted for teams that couldn't win it all. My favorite NFL team growing up was the Bills with Kelly, Reed, Thomas, etc. They never won it all, but I didn't care. I liked their heart. I loved it when Don Bebe ran down a taunting Leon Lett and stole the ball from him on the 1 yard line to cause a touch back instead of a TD.

I guess I sort of agree with the original post. I think it sucks to root for a team because they win. Root for a team that you like the style of and what they stand for.

I'm on your side when it comes to who I root for, die-hard Spartan since I was 7.

However, I think the whole "you didn't go to school there" thing is stupid (no offense). People choose the college that is right for them and their future. Most of us grew up either State fans or Wolverine fans. We didn't wait until we attended to become fans.

When the time came to choose a school, we chose one that worked for us (size, location, majors, affordability, etc.) Just because someone didn't go there doesn't mean they shouldn't be a fan. In fact, those that grew up fans are generally more die hard than those that became fans once they attended.

I was accepted and good to go at State, however I switched last minute to SVSU because of size, location, job, friends, etc..

In regards to the inferiority junk that Glenn threw out, the only people that believe that are U of M fans. We aren't insecure Glenn, we're sick of arrogant U of M fans claiming they are "the leaders and the best." So when you throw that out, you get a big reaction because we can't stand the arrogant UM bullshit.

And MSU isn't chopped liver in academics either. They are a great school and better than U of M in many areas as well. Anyone that mixes academics into their trash talk probably isn't creative enough to rip on the team itself.

First, let me point out the glass house. This forum's strongest MSU fan graduated from the same institution I did.

As for why I attended SVSU, I always planned on getting a masters degree and didn't want to spend the money to go to a different school. I already owned a house in Saginaw at the time so it was an easy choice. I could have gone to a number of other schools, but the commute and cost of tuition was not worth it to me.
When I returned for my teaching certificate prior to the masters, I had the choice between SVSU, CMU and MSU. Again, the convenience of keeping my family in Saginaw stood out. From asking around, certificates earned at other institutions did NOT come with any higher degree of prestige.
It is likely I will complete my masters at SVSU as well.
When I eventually work on my doctorate, I suppose I will have a difficult decision to make.
Most of my family earned the bachelors degrees from Michigan, so it is in my blood.
To be honest, I find that more often than not people are fans of the school they were raised to cheer for. My daughter is not yet two and wears Maize and Blue often.
Consider the number of people Michigan admits from the state versus the number State admits. If only people who attended the school could be fans, State fans in this area would easily outnumber Michigan fans.

Yes, Michigan fans who did not attend Michigan have made fun of State's academics before. Often State is more prestigious academically compared to the institution they attended, so it may not be a wise path. Admitted.

As for me, Michigan was never an option. My test scores are sufficient but I blew off high school. I graduated with a B- average because I really didn't care at the time. I've sustained an A- average through my years of college and I'm happy with my career and my substantially lower student loan payments. I had the option of earning an Associates and could have easily gone to State after that, but you wouldn't have caught me dead in EL. Zero interest.

As for switching allegiances, I've never cheered for another D1 program in all my 32 years. Again, refer back to the fact there are thousands of State fans guilty of the exact thing you're accusing many of us of.
It's easy to point at Michigan, however, because they are a marketing force worldwide. You travel around the world and you'll see Michigan and Notre Dame just about anywhere. There are other schools as well, but Michigan is one of the top schools for apparel. That means there are people buying Michigan stuff that may not even know where Michigan is. I don't exactly think that's a good thing, but hey, marketing is marketing and money is money. Call the school the great whore of the earth if you want, but never accuse me of switching allegiances.

Got enough of my story now? If you find some fault with it, insert Tre's story.

In regards to the inferiority junk that Glenn threw out, the only people that believe that are U of M fans. We aren't insecure Glenn, we're sick of arrogant U of M fans claiming they are "the leaders and the best." So when you throw that out, you get a big reaction because we can't stand the arrogant UM bullshit.

But is that any different than the thousands of fans holding up their finger yelling we're #1 every week, even though they are not? What about us calling it Hockeytown, when there are probably better fans in Toronto, Montreal, Boston, etc? You can call it arrogance, you can also call it school pride. Those are both ways to look at it. If their slogan was "the best school in Michigan" then that is pure arrogance. But to say you are #1 isn't IMO. I think it's just school pride. Yes, it can be annoying though.

It's not arrogant to say "We can hang in your sport, can you hang in ours." It's not arrogant for the missing link to grin the size of a small town during a stat-padding blowout. It's not arrogant to celebrate another school's NCAA violations, the likes of which you love so much because without it the victories might be a little harder to come by. No, only a line in a song written in a previous centurt can be considerred arrogant.

Moving on from the arrogance topic. Next stop: hypocracy. Oh wait, we've spent at least 3 years trying to dodge that bullet.

It's not arrogant to say "We can hang in your sport, can you hang in ours." It's not arrogant for the missing link to grin the size of a small town during a stat-padding blowout. It's not arrogant to celebrate another school's NCAA violations, the likes of which you love so much because without it the victories might be a little harder to come by. No, only a line in a song written in a previous centurt can be considerred arrogant.

Moving on from the arrogance topic. Next stop: hypocracy. Oh wait, we've spent at least 3 years trying to dodge that bullet.

Everyone says they are the best, brags when they win, blah blah blah. The difference with UM fans is actually trying to claim that another school is "inferior." It's over the top. Maybe Glenn throws it out to get under people's skin, but many UM fans actually believe it which is pretty arrogant/funny/annoying.

Jethro, I like how you claim "without the sanctions Spartan victories might be a little harder to come by." LMAO! Do a little research, we beat Michigan by 52 long before the sanctions were ever handed down. The dominance was well under way with or without your UM cheating ways.

So you honestly have had Michigan fans tell you the school you like is inferior all the while you're beating their team by 52 points, which you could do any time you want, with or without sanctions?

Wow, you must hang out with some retarded Michigan fans (I'm obviously excluded because I would never say that)

So you honestly have had Michigan fans tell you the school you like is inferior all the while you're beating their team by 52 points, which you could do any time you want, with or without sanctions?

Wow, you must hang out with some retarded Michigan fans (I'm obviously excluded because I would never say that)

Dude, I could rip off quotes from Michigan fans that I hung around in the past and some in the present that would drop your jaw. Growing up as a lone Spartan with groups of friends that were all maize and blue, I took quite the verbal beating. 3-4-5 on 1 isn't fun no matter how much ammo you've got. I was ganged up on quite a bit when it came to my loyalty. So if I throw out arrogant MSU basketball statements, it's Doc getting a little revenge. My belief that UM fans are arrogant stems from years of face to face research.

And yes, alot of the shit they said was flat out retarded.

bukdow sounds like another whiney piss and moan Sparty from the Detroit News Forums. All the MSU fans (with one notable and excusable exception) on that board "graduated from Michigan State). My fucking ASS you and they did.
Go back to that board, because here you GOT to have a set of balls, son. That's one thing I'll say about the Sparties here: The first words out of their mouths aren't some phony attempt at self validation by claiming to have graduated from that fine institution.
Shit, even MSU has standards, and those standards sure ain't gonna include whiney faggots from the Detroit News.
You're a dickheaded Detroit News Forum dope for even asking that question, which, by the way, EVERY Sparty on that boards asks after a couple weeks of posting.
You've tipped your hand, troll, now put your dress on and go back to ballet class on the Detroit News Forum.

bukdow sounds like another whiney piss and moan Sparty from the Detroit News Forums. All the MSU fans (with one notable and excusable exception) on that board "graduated from Michigan State). My fucking ASS you and they did.
Go back to that board, because here you GOT to have a set of balls, son. That's one thing I'll say about the Sparties here: The first words out of their mouths aren't some phony attempt at self validation by claiming to have graduated from that fine institution.
Shit, even MSU has standards, and those standards sure ain't gonna include whiney faggots from the Detroit News.
You're a dickheaded Detroit News Forum dope for even asking that question, which, by the way, EVERY Sparty on that boards asks after a couple weeks of posting.
You've tipped your hand, troll, now put your dress on and go back to ballet class on the Detroit News Forum.
I suggest you cool your goshboots, normy. You are damn right I have two degrees from MSU, one in biochemistry and one in history. And I`ll tell you something, normy, I`m damn proud of it. So, I suggest you crawl back to your trailer park, ask your mom if you can borrow five bucks and go by a double deuce of Mickey`s and a couple of black and milds. Frankly, I think the Walmart Wolverines like yourself are some of the most sorry pieces of shit to disgrace this state.

So, fuck you and I will opine on this board in any way I see fit and you can shove it up your pleather wearing ass.

Wow, its been a while since we had a thread that could honestly go in the Terror Dome. Man I miss the good old days of this place before all those fucking Albanians left and the G family went all Waco.

Yeah, a degree in bio chemstry and history, and one VERY interesting life that somehow includes twenty three hours on the Detroit News Forum, and one hour here. MY ASS.
Keep rolling out the Detroit News Board age old axioms: "trailer park", "Wal Mart Wolverine", and the "mom" card. I bet I could write your next 5000 posts myself after the years I spent ripping your brothers to shreds, and they had about as much originality as, oh, YOU. Which is to say, none at all.
It's a wonder that two "degrees" from "Michigan State" have turned you into nothing more than a troll who can do nothing but parrot the same, lame shit that's been going down on the Detroit News board for five years now.
I sure hope you got a scholarship, cuz it's clear that you wasted your parents "college" money if you didn't.

Yeah, a degree in bio chemstry and history, and one VERY interesting life that somehow includes twenty three hours on the Detroit News Forum, and one hour here. MY ASS.
Keep rolling out the Detroit News Board age old axioms: "trailer park", "Wal Mart Wolverine", and the "mom" card. I bet I could write your next 5000 posts myself after the years I spent ripping your brothers to shreds, and they had about as much originality as, oh, YOU. Which is to say, none at all.
It's a wonder that two "degrees" from "Michigan State" have turned you into nothing more than a troll who can do nothing but parrot the same, lame shit that's been going down on the Detroit News board for five years now.
I sure hope you got a scholarship, cuz it's clear that you wasted your parents "college" money if you didn't.
I don`t know what the hell you are talking about as far as the Detroit News Forum. I have never been there. However, it sounds like you were over there running your mouth and got summarily shut by the way you keep bringing it up.

Look, people like you are a dime a dozen. You are ignorant little slime with nothing going on in your life so you attach yourselves to UM in an attempt to feel like a "winner" in at least one aspect of your miserable life. Hey, eight Saturdays in the fall is a lot better than reality for you.

I have two degrees from a Big Ten university that have served me very well in my professional life. Hell, the second one, history, was payed for by my employer. Oh wait, "employer" is probably a foreign concept for you. When you have a job the person who employs you (that means the company you work for) is called your employer.

So, goshboots, as I said, fuck you and I will continue to support MSU (my alma mater) and point out what a worthless shit heel you and the rest of the bandwagon UM bootlicks are. Get used to it kid because I am going to mop the floor with your ass as long as you keep running your mouth. You are a cinch.

I'd respond to your post, but I can;t poison my night any further, so I didn;t read it. Let's just say I have a feeling I know exactly what you said.
Let mme put it this way bukdow:
I don't respect you, you're a lame ass troll, and I've got people on this board who I do respect and love to argue with. They are at least human beings, and they are at least grown ups.
Night Night.

Zip is killin it.

I'd respond to your post, but I can;t poison my night any further, so I didn;t read it. Let's just say I have a feeling I know exactly what you said.
Let mme put it this way bukdow:
I don't respect you, you're a lame ass troll, and I've got people on this board who I do respect and love to argue with. They are at least human beings, and they are at least grown ups.
Night Night.
Translation; "I am a worthless little pussy who has been pegged".

Don`t try and fuck with me, dirt bag. All I was doing in my original post was posing a question because this seemed like a UM board. All the other posters answered in a civil, intelligible way, except you. Now that I am aware of your complete lack of character, your original response does not surprise me. You are a punk.

What a great day. Play some 360, check the board for the latest bashing, lift some weights, check the board to see more bashing. haha Gotta love it.

It's not all UM here bukdow. I'm as die hard of a State fan as you'll find and we've got a few much informed Spartans with me here as well.

I've been a Michigan fan because my mom forced it on me as a kid.


(Save the molestation jokes)

I'm on your side when it comes to who I root for, die-hard Spartan since I was 7.

However, I think the whole "you didn't go to school there" thing is stupid (no offense). People choose the college that is right for them and their future. Most of us grew up either State fans or Wolverine fans. We didn't wait until we attended to become fans.

When the time came to choose a school, we chose one that worked for us (size, location, majors, affordability, etc.) Just because someone didn't go there doesn't mean they shouldn't be a fan. In fact, those that grew up fans are generally more die hard than those that became fans once they attended.

I was accepted and good to go at State, however I switched last minute to SVSU because of size, location, job, friends, etc..

In regards to the inferiority junk that Glenn threw out, the only people that believe that are U of M fans. We aren't insecure Glenn, we're sick of arrogant U of M fans claiming they are "the leaders and the best." So when you throw that out, you get a big reaction because we can't stand the arrogant UM bullshit.

Well, I grew up a Michigan fan..It was closer to my house and they were always on TV.That is how I became a fan....As far as the if you did not go to school there garbage, its that, garbage...

Dre, there are a lot of MSU fans that have an inferiority complex. You cannot dismiss that.. With that said, there are a lot if ignorant M fans as well..

On a side note for you SVSU fans.. Im exited to say that a good friend of mine just got hired on the football staff so I will now become a big time SVSU fan..A good thing for you is that with the coaches and people I know, I may be able to help out just a little with getting some kids another door to choose from...

I wonder if it's OK with the Sparties that I'm a Detroit Tigers fan.
I mean, I didn't actually play for the Tigers, but it's still OK to be a fan of them, isn't it?

Be a fan of whoever you want. I was just curious why so many more non-alumni fans choose UM. Many posters gave good answers as to why. As I said before, I am an alum of MSU. Also, when growing up, my household rooted for both because they were both from the state of Michigan. However, there was a little favoritism toward MSU because my parents felt it was more of a "peoples` university".

You should have started the thread by telling us your parents were hippies.

You should have started the thread by telling us your parents were hippies.
Not hippies, leftists.

Then Zip would love them. He's all about anti-religious socialist regimes.

Then Zip would love them. He's all about anti-religious socialist regimes.
"Leftist" by no means equates to "anti-religious".

Your wife has a vagina but I'm guessing you think the two of you are at least somewhat similar.

Your wife has a vagina but I'm guessing you think the two of you are at least somewhat similar.
Would you care to try and clarify your point?

You don't have to be identical to get along.

Let me bring you all together.

GO OHIO STATE MOTHERFUCKERS!

You don't have to be identical to get along.
I hardly think that Zip and I have much in common. Let alone any sort of simpatico.

I said he would like your parents. They are the "leftists", as you described them.

I said he would like your parents. They are the "leftists", as you described them.
No, I don`t think my parents would like him either.

Again. He would like your parents because they are socialists.

Hey Tommy, who do you know that got hired? Is it a former H.S. coach from in-state?

I said he would like your parents. They are the "leftists", as you described them.

I'd like that puttz's parents more if they were childless.

For the win...

Agreed. 4tW. Congrats Zip.

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