Keep the source in mind, but Chris Sheridan inferred in his chat that the Pistons could target Amare rather than Marion.



hey chris, i really enjoy your chats. is there any truth to the rumors of phx trading shawn marion to detroit for rasheed wallace and tyshaun prince. if there is truth to thayt how gets the better side of that trade? i would hate to see shawn marion leave phx!!! thanks!!!

CHRIS SHERIDAN
If Detroit was going to make a trade like that, they'd want Amare Stoudemire back, not Marion. But Amare is one of the guys on their radar this summer, and they'll part with Sheed and another piece (I think it would be Hamilton rather than Tay) if they can get a young big in return. For more on the Pistons, check my blog later today.


Brad (Detroit)
Was that Stoudemire hypo just speculation or is there some truth to that rumor?

CHRIS SHERIDAN
I hear his name alot in talking with personnel people around the league discussing which players might be traded this summer. My reading is that Amare and Marion are both available.

Cue the Sheed for Amare trades!!
http://wtfdetroit.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=80

I could see that. They need to win now, with Nash there and all, and Amare is too risky. Sheed and Rip gives them the title(think of Rip and all those open shots with Nash and Marion). But we would probably need to find a SG then. Maybe Bonzi or MoPete or someone?

I'm starting to warm to the idea of trading Rip. He's a great player but we can get a lot for him and 2's are a lot easier to come by in today's NBA.

If we traded RIP and Sheed for Amare then we'd probably draft a SG at #15 to replace him (and also get a guy like Mo Pete to bridge the gap). Then the Stucky talks would heat up for sure.

Wow, Amare Stoudemire on the Pistons, that would be amazing... but Phoenix would be seriously worrisome with Sheed and Rip alongside Marion and Nash. Dunno if we want to help them win a title, but I'd do it just so there's something about the Pistons to be excited about again.

If we give them Sheed + Rip for Amare, give them the title.
Sheed defends Duncan as good as anyone, and Rip + Nash!

But I still love this trade... we wouldn't be looking to win the title soon, we would build around Amare for the years to come instead.

Blakely

http://blog.mlive.com/pistonsinsider/2007/06/amare_a_piston.html


Pistons have no chance of landing Amare

Posted by A. Sherrod Blakely June 08, 2007 21:26PM

Here we go again.

The latest rumor making the rounds has the Pistons eye-balling Phoenix's Amare Stoudemire. Gee, that makes them one of, oh, a couple dozen other teams in the NBA who would love to get their hands on Amare.

But there's just one glitch ... the Pistons have very little the Suns would want, other than two first-round picks, neither of which is in the lottery.

One of the unwritten rules in trades is that you don't give up big men for perimeter players. The Pistons' most attractive assets are perimeter players. And when you look at that Phoenix club, if there's one thing they don't need, it's more perimeter players.

Salary-wise, you could trade Rasheed for Amare, straight-up. I don't know Phoenix's new GM Steve Kerr that well, but he can't possibly be gullible enough to fall for this deal. Even if the Pistons threw in both of their first-round picks, I just don't see that being enough incentive to give away a player of Stoudemire's caliber and youth (he's only 24 years old).

Now don't get me wrong. Joe D. would love to add a player like Amare to the mix, especially if the only body it would cost him, is Rasheed Wallace. Stoudemire would be a great fit in Detroit ... or any other team, for that matter. But the most tradable assets Detroit has are in the backcourt, and there's no way that the Suns are going to give up an All-NBA big man for any combination of Detroit perimeter players and not get a big man (not named Nazr Mohammed) in return.

A more likely scenario would involve Detroit making a deal for Shawn Marion. He's not all that thrilled about being the best all-around talent on that team, but still taking a back seat to Steve Nash and Amare.

And with both Detroit and Phoenix looking to do maybe a little more than tweak their roster this summer, a Sheed-for-Shawn trade, with a couple more players thrown in and possibly some cash and/or draft picks, may be just what both teams need right now.

If Marion isn't happy sharing the spotlight in PHX, how is going to feel with 2-3 other All Stars on the squad, and Ronald Dupree to boot.

If Marion isn't happy sharing the spotlight in PHX, how is going to feel with 2-3 other All Stars on the squad, and Ronald Dupree to boot.

Better than with a 2 time MVP and another all NBAer.

I wouldn't give up both Rip & Sheed for Amare


if they gave us a toss in like Barbosa or Raja to go along with it...then I'd probably do it...



I think Sheed would be a god sent in D'Antonis offense though...rip too for that matter...

Better than with a 2 time MVP and another all NBAer.


That 2x MVP helped him get the contract that he has now.

Everyone gets paid when they play with Nash.

I guess what I meant to say, but didn't, is that Marion's "me first" attitude could be a concern here.

Well depending on the trade, if Marion wants the attention, I'm sure he'll get it. Marion will get alot more touches on the offensive end and will probably get the star player such as lebron or wade on the defensive end.

His attitude hasn't really affected me as his play is pretty solid and isnt being a big pussy about it.

I'd still like to take Amare over Marion.

i think blakely is wrong on a few points:

1: the suns dont have too many perimeter players. they dont have too many players at any position. they used 7 guys last year.

2: i dont think the suns covet picks. they have been selling their picks every year cuz they dont need them. they almost had 3 picks this year (think they have 2 now). i doubt they want the headache of even more picks.

i guess it'd come down to the value difference between rip and amare. i would have thought it'd be more than sheed, but if they'd do it, i'd do it in a heartbeat. this would definitly help them for atleast one or two years, i'd think.

If Detroit traded Prince for Marion. I might just burn down a small village.

If Detroit traded Prince for Marion. I might just burn down a small village.
Remove small village. Insert The Palace.

That 2x MVP helped him get the contract that he has now.

Everyone gets paid when they play with Nash.
Marion got his contract long before Nash was involved. Marion was his typical ~20/10 with Joe Johnson and Howard Eisley at PG. And it's not a Nash-style of play, either. He did pretty well in the half-court offense with Marbury at PG and Frank Johnson coaching.


I guess what I meant to say, but didn't, is that Marion's "me first" attitude could be a concern here.
It's gunk like the above that causes Marion to not get a lot of respect.

Marion's kind of a dope and not as dramatic as Nash or Amare, so he doesn't get love from the media. He's the guy that has to defend the likes of Tony Parker because Nash can't, but it's all Nash blowjobs, all the time. He's the one who's had to play at PF because of Amare breakdowns (1 1/2 seasons missed + critical playoff fuckup), but Amare gets more love riding the pine than Marion ever has.

As for trading Prince for Marion -- I couldn't imagine Tayshaun playing as many minutes as Marion at PF, then being asked to defend a speed demon guard come playoff-time. Likewise, I couldn't imagine Marion being a "point forward' or bothering people with length the way Prince has.

Methinks none of this happens. Not even close.

Agreed. I can't imagine that Kerr is going to make this his first move. It would be as if he was possessed by Isaiah. My guess is the deal would be Sheed and Rip for Amare, Raja Bell, and Marcus Banks. The ONLY incentive reall for them is ridding themselves of some term bad deals. We would have significant financial obligations out of this, and I don't even know if this is a good idea. In the end, I would probably do it to keep us competitive and add our picks, but Banks plus Nazr is really going to hurt our cap space.

In the end I would be in favor of this deal, but it will take some incredibly clever cap maneuvering for Dumars to keep this together.

Actually, suprisingly this move will keep us in approximately the same cap position for two years, and after the 09 season (when we take the larger cap hit then now), we actually would have Bell in his expiring deal and Banks with two remaining, and more moveable. If we can't move Nazr or Banks though, we are basically losing a large a large chunk of our cap.

Gotta make that deal though.

I'm starting to warm to the idea of trading Rip. He's a great player but we can get a lot for him and 2's are a lot easier to come by in today's NBA.

If 2's are alot easier to come by in today's NBA, why would another team trade for him, or trade anything of value for him?

Marios is a great executer, but a an average self sustaining playmaker. You dont line him up in iso plays. You basically just get him the ball when he's open and let him get up the court on your fast breaks.

Defensively he damn good. But not so good that I'd drop Tay for him. But this will be Flip's team next year, so trade everybody and get some more selfish players in here.

That 2x MVP helped him get the contract that he has now.

Everyone gets paid when they play with Nash.

I guess what I meant to say, but didn't, is that Marion's "me first" attitude could be a concern here.

If you are moving Sheed and RIP for him, he'd have to be the focal point. We'd lose our best two scoring options. Like it or not, Billups and Prince score when needed, not all the time. I'm not saying it's a good trade, but Marion would have to be the man here if we're moving RIP and Sheed for him.

I don't think Marion is good enough to be "the man". He'd be an amazing #2 that could fill in for stretches as the #1 if something happened, but I don't see him being the best #1 scoring option for an entire season, unless we brought in someone else as a big-time scorer off the bench or something. Now if we got Amare I'd feel comfortable with him being our main option, but we aren't getting Amare.

There are some Marion to Bulls rumors, hell there are Marion to anyone rumors.

Although the Bulls don't have the contracts to trade for Marion, outside of using Ben Wallace, they have a pretty attractive package of Duhon and the #9 pick.

How about a Ben Wallace, Duhon, and the #9 for Marion and Banks....

What about PJ Brown's contract? They could sign and trade him with your Dohon/#9 package.

The Suns could probably get Noah there and they would be avoiding taxes in the process (not to mention adding a backup to Nash).

Thought he was gone this offseason?

if not then Chicagos got a perfect package for Marion

Thought he was gone this offseason?

if not then Chicagos got a perfect package for Marion
He's a FA. They'd have to S&T him. Or they'd have to extend Sweetney and send him instead. Nocionni is also a FA. Eithery way, they can get the salaries to match, it's just a matter of the Suns wanting those contracts back (depends on how long Chicago extends them for). Brown would probably take a 2 year deal. Nocionni and Sweetney might want longer deals that the Suns won't want back.

Wasn't tehre a rule like you can't trade a signed player with another player or pick?

PJ, Duhon, the number 9 for Marion. If Kerr pulled that off, he'd be considered a god. Gets rid of so much money and gets what the team needs in the offseason, a backup pointguard for nash and a young proven winner to play the forward positions.

You have to wait a certain number of days if you want to trade them with something. You could sign PJ to a huge contract (not sure what his max is) and move him with #9. The deal would have to be for 12 mil though to get Marion back. Like I said, he'd sign a short term deal at his age I suspect.

...you can't sign and trade a player in conjunction with anything else...

the idea of PJ brown getting moved for Marion is silly. I don't think you can trade a player at ANY point that is only signed to a 1-year contract to begin with.

No, you can sign him and then trade him after the 15th of December. However, he would become a BYC player and his trade value is half his salary anyway. So basically you'd have to have several of them resigned and wait until December.

In essense there is very little chance of that at all, especially since the pick would have already been used and that rookie would be on the Bulls all that time.

And yes, you can trade a player with a 1 year deal, sort of. To do a S&T you have to sign them to a 3 year deal, but only one year has to be guarenteed. The rule is in place so that a team may not acquire bird rights ealier than the 3rd year.

yeah, but that's a trade that has to happen in late december. If Phoenix is going to move Marion, they won't wait that long.

Meanwhile, the chicago press will destroy Paxon for re-signing PJ Brown to a huge deal.

I agree, this is about a half percent chance of hapening. It is possible, but about as possible as us trading for KG (hit the siren).

Chicago needs to look at a player not making 16 mil if they want to keep Ben, Kirk, Deng and Gordon while adding that player. if they want a max type player they'll have to include a core guy. They missed their chance for a max guy by not making a deal this year with the expirings they had.

moving kirk is an obvious solution. he's not all that.

moving kirk is an obvious solution. he's not all that.


Ohhhh, but that MOM of his!!

His mom can stay with me. Simple.

Paxon said Hinrich is untouchable, but Duhon is on the block a few days ago

Paxon said Hinrich is untouchable, but Duhon is on the block a few days ago


Anybody got a pic of Duhon's mom?


Mxy?

What does Kirk's mom look like? Did I miss that getting posted?

It's a joke, Hinrich's mom looks like she got hit in the face with a frozen bratwurst and it knocked half her teeth out.

Haha, I was going to say judging by Hinrich how could she have been so hot?

It's a joke, Hinrich's mom looks like she got hit in the face with a frozen bratwurst and it knocked half her teeth out.

That may be true, but the other teeth that she still has are immaculate and strangely enough, highly erotic.

She can have my bratwurst any time.

Some people like a women without front teeth. It makes certain things easier. I'll take looks over ease any day though.

Hopefully Kirk's mom does anal too.

Hopefully Kirk's mom does anal too.

http://www.mountaineermusing.com/siren_animated.gif

Okay then...

This is from yesterday, but I don't think it's been posted here yet.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-25-46/How-About-Rasheed-Wallace-for-Shawn-Marion-.html


How About Rasheed Wallace for Shawn Marion?
June 12, 2007 1:20 PM

By Henry Abbott

Rasheed Wallace is a killer shooter who guards Tim Duncan extremely well. He is a champion. He saves Phoenix money.

But can the Phoenix locker room handle his bad days? Would you worry about his influence on Amare Stoudemire? Would it get ugly?

I'll say this: it's hard to imagine you'll get a better basketball player than Rasheed Wallace, especially if you are intent on saving money and improving your chances of beating the Spurs.

And imagine how many open three-pointers Steve Nash will get him. Wallace ought to have games when he scores 40. He'd be like a kid in a candy store.

Paul Coro of the Arizona Republic tries it on for size:


Wallace's skills are a good fit, but his on-court behavior contrasts with the club's emphasis on character.

Wallace, 32, is an ideal basketball piece, because he shoots and runs well at 6 feet 11 and keeps the floor spread (as Tim Thomas did with the Suns in 2006), is a top post defender (which would help Amaré Stoudemire), has been a popular teammate at each stop and played for Portland when D'Antoni was an assistant coach there in 2000-01.

But even if the Suns were ready to make that deal, would the Pistons be willing? Marion is a small forward, the same position played by Detroit's Tayshaun Prince, but could be asked to play power forward to make the Pistons more athletic.

Wallace will make about $3.65 million less that Marion in 2007-08 and has a deal that expires in 2009.

That's a good point about Detroit already having a small forward, though. As much as I want Tayshaun Prince to be on the move so that he might, somehow, become a Blazer, I don't see the Pistons moving Prince and his reasonable contract.

listening to Joe D's interview on 1270 yesterday, he implied that the Marion trade proposal was something ridiculous, like two of our starters and both first round picks for Marion.

wouldn't that have been Steve Kerr making the trade offer?

two of our starters and both first round picks for Marion.
That's just fucking stupid.

I think Joe would deal for Amare (for the right price), but not Marion. Marion doesn't provide a whole lot more than Prince does (definately better rebounding). Yes, he's better than Prince, but for $16 a year and two starters? No.

I believe what you meant to say was HELL no. Not for that asking price.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/91738


Dumars: Asking price for Matrix too high

Jerry Brown, Tribune Columnist

Those Suns fans appalled at the idea of Shawn Marion being traded might take heart in news from Detroit that suggests the asking price for The Matrix could give other GMs sticker shock.

The Detroit Free Press caught Pistons GM Joe Dumars on local radio station WXYT-AM reacting to reports that originated in Motown that his team might be able to snatch Marion from the Suns, straight-up, for Rasheed Wallace.

Dumars intimated that he was told Marion — without mentioning him by name — was available only for a much bigger package. “Two of your starting players, the 15th and the 27th pick (in the June 28 draft) for that?” Dumars said. “You know what you would tell them? Hell, the Lakers didn’t get that for Shaq. Philly didn’t get that for (Allen) Iverson.”

And the Suns won’t get that for Marion … which might be the whole point.

Damn we'd agree, then they say throw in arnie kander to make the deal right.:theclub:

Steve Nash already works with a separate Canadian trainer who's very "Arnie Kandery" and holistic, IIRC.