I'm wondering if Sheed + Nazr could get us Paul Pierce.

Thatd be sex... but who would play PF?

Flip would be too stupid to rotate the bench properly, even thought it would mean we could have Peirce, Tay and Rip all playing 32min a game. It would end up Tay playing 10min a game, and Murray playing 10 a game, with Pierce and Rip getting fucking tired.

If we do this, can we look into a Delfino for Haywood deal? I dont know how much Haywood makes, but that would give us some much needed height.

If contracts match up I'd do it. Pierce is the superstar player that could get us past LeBron. We have a BIG hole at the 4,5 without receiving another big back. Maybe we can try to snag Perkins or Gomes as they have small contracts.

Why would Boston do that? Sheed does not get them into the playoffs, so why add him? They'd be better off getting a younger player for PP or a draft pick.

Boston might consider a deal like that because they can replace PP with Horford, Brewer or Julian Wright anyway.


Sheed
Jefferson (had a monster break out year towrads the end)
the 5 pick=pierce
Allen? possibly even Green or Wally
Rondo

I think if the team made right adjustments and traded some of their other players along with Ratliffs fat contract, this team could make it to the playoffs.

I don't know. If I'm Boston and I want a big man to pair with Jefferson I would think you could to a lot better. Why not Dalembert or Gasol (you'd have to include more of course, like the #5 and something on Memphis side)?

Dalembert > Sheed?

No way. Although Sheed when ape nuts during our series, no way does sam even get compared to sheed.

Yeah If im Boston, Id look at Memphis before anyone else but could Jefferson or Gasol really play the 5? Sheed is capable of playing the 5 and has the outside shot.

No, Sheed is better. Dalembert is younger and a true center though. It allows jefferson to simply work on his offensive game more. Plus he's younger. You probably only get 2 years out of Sheed now. They won't be ready to win until Sheed is gone.

Gasol plays the 5 in Memphis. There are only 2-3 true post centers these days. a 6'9"-6'10" PF can play center against almost every big man.

An alternative in the same vein that I was considering here would be Sheed + Rip + 15 for Pierce + 5.

But Nazr can actually play. He'd be a fine backup PF/C and is reasonably priced for that . I figure that any team that starts Kendrick Perkins for as many games as they did could use multiple bigs that can play.

An alternative in the same vein that I was considering here would be Sheed + Rip + 15 for Pierce + 5.

How would that work?

Sheed/Rip will combine to make $22.8m next year, and Pierce "only" makes $16.4m.

It would not (which is your point). Boston is farther over the cap than us. So much so that their #5 pick may put them in luxery tax. That's what happens when you pay Ratliff and Wally 12 mil a piece.

Trades only have to be within 25% of each other, so all Boston would have to give back to us is another low-level contract for Sheed+Nazr, of which they have plenty (Tony Allen could be interesting). Sheed expires sooner than Pierce and Sheed+Nazr fills a need while their #5 matures.

How would that work?

Sheed/Rip will combine to make $22.8m next year, and Pierce "only" makes $16.4m.
Who else could we get in the deal to even it out? Someone with a shitty contract without many years left on it I'd assume.

Yeah, I thought MXy was posting that as a complete deal, but it sounds like it was a partial.

Sheed-Rip-Nazr-15 for Pierce-Ratliff-5

or

Sheed-Rip-15 for Pierce-Scalabrine-5

or

Sheed-Rip-Nazr-15 for Pierce-Wally-5

or

Sheed-Rip-15 for Pierce-Telfair-Allan Ray-5

I kind of like the last one because Telfair and Allen Ray are both guards. Maybe one of them could become our guard of the future if we don't get Conley with #5. Maybe the 5 gets us someone like Brewer who would backup Pierce and Tay. Maybe it gets us Horford or Wright (or Jianlian, but that idea scares me) to be our new starting PF. Then we can still use our MLE on Hill or a C or we can fill the C spot through another trade.


Billups/Telfair/Allan Ray or Blaylock
Pierce/Delfino/#27
Tay/Hill?/Delfino/#27
#5/Dyess/Max/Amir
MLE or Trade/#5/Nazr

Obviously I'd have to put more thought into the trades for the C, but Nazr could even be used as our starter C until things got worked out, or we could play whoever we draft as a PF at C, since many teams play PF's as their C these days anyway.

Yeah, I thought MXy was posting that as a complete deal, but it sounds like it was a partial.
The numbers were close enough ($700k if I understand it correctly) where a dealwas quite workable. I wasn't suggesting Kidd for Amir or something extreme like that.

Trades only have to be within 25% of each other, so all Boston would have to give back to us is another low-level contract for Sheed+Nazr, of which they have plenty (Tony Allen could be interesting). Sheed expires sooner than Pierce and Sheed+Nazr fills a need while their #5 matures.

But they are already at 62 mil. If you add another 3-4 mil to the payroll they are in luxery tax level. And that's before you add in their high draft picks too. They'd never do that.

They'll have to do something else to deal with their cap issue, expiring Ratliff. There's not many teams who could do a deal for both Pierce and Ratliff.