Then S&T Chauncey home to Denver for Marcus Camby (starting C) and JR Smith (Tay's new backup).

Another option is to move Billups to SG and trade Rip for a center.

I'd prefer to keep Rip over Billups, however.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

If we are breaking up any of the core, it will be to get younger. I don't want Kidd or Camby!

New roster:

Kidd/Murray/Blalock/draft pick
Rip/Delfino
Tay/Smith/Dupree
Dice/Max/Amir
Camby/MLE/draft pick

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

If we are breaking up any of the core, it will be to get younger. I don't want Kidd or Camby!

We get younger by making room for our new PG in two years after Kidd's done. As opposed to having a mid-30's Billups on a long term deal.

We get younger by getting Sheed and Nazr out of here so Max and Amir can play. Dice gets phased out and replaced by more youngsters next year.

We don't need to get younger for next season all at once IMO, we can still win now and get younger gradually.

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See, now, here's the flaw in this plan. Do you see it?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

If we are breaking up any of the core, it will be to get younger. I don't want Kidd or Camby!

I agree. I don't like it, and I'm a big fan of Kidd and Camby. While it opens up PT for young players, I also think we could get first rounders for Sheed and Billups to get better young players.

Yeah, sorry Glenn, but I don't want to get older.

My idea back a couple of months ago was to trade Chauncey for JR Smith, Nene, and possibly a first. I still don't know what I want to do with Sheed.. But not Jason Kidd.

Yeah, sorry Glenn, but I don't want to get older.

I see these moves making us younger, not older, especially 2 seasons from now when Kidd's deal has expired. Billups will be 33 then and will probably still have 3 years left on his monster deal.

Sheed and Camby will both be 33 this season (push), Kidd will be 34, but he'll be gone after '08/'09, and JR Smith will be 22. Nazr will be 30 and is likely signed through 2011 (player option the last year).

I see this as a way that we could still be contenders for now and get the youngsters into the rotation (Max, Amir, Smith, draft picks, etc.) for a long-term run of success. Get younger gradually, not suddenly.

I respect the disagreement, I'm just looking at this differently, I guess.

I also like that Camby & Smith have very friendly contracts. Camby's is front loaded (his salary actually decreases each year) and Smith is a bargain at 2m this year and 3m next year.

Glenn, I do see your point but the trade isn't really bringing us any youth. It definitely opens things up for the youngsters that we have but I think that we are really looking for draft picks to be included. I think that Pistons fans want something more like Billups for Bibby and #10 (just as an example) where we stay competitive and get a young stud to develop.

Hmm, I'm going to rethink this...

I like the Sheed for Camby swap (not direct trade, but a result of both). Better aditude there. We'd be drastically short on front court scoring though. We'd have to hope Dyess and #15 would provide some front court scoring.

Kidd might be a better fit than Billups because Kidd could get Tay and RIP some easy baskets that Billups cannot. Don't really lose on defense there, as Kidd is a solid defender too.

Smith would be nice. Can he backup Tay because he's only 6'6" which isn't any bigger than Delfino?

We'd probably have to send NJ a PG back as well, like Blaylock...even if they end up cutting him.

I suppose if I knew we'd get Hawes and Pruitt in the draft I like the deal.

I'd like it even more if we moved Delfino and signed Hill to backup Tay (then Smith backs up RIP). Delfino doesn't seem like he'd like to compete for backup wing minutes.

Like mcnugget said though, I'd prefer a deal that nets us a aging PG and a lotto pick for Billups. This is a good backup plan though.

I don't think that JR can play the 3. However I like the idea with Camby being a defensive monster, but I can almost guarantee that he'll get injured atleast once during the season. Remember h es an injury prone guy. How many 20/20 games has Camby had?!

I like the idea. Maybe we could throw in our late first pick and get back a better pick somewhere in there. Trade Nazr, Sheed, our #27 and second rounder, and maybe a guy like Delfino for Kidd and their #17 and any filler needed on either side. Not sure how plausible this idea is but I think it would work out alright for us. We get a very solid PG who will be around just long enough for us to give our PG of the future a chance to develop, we get a good defensive C, we get a young athletic shooter off the bench, and I love that Camby's got a front-loaded contract. Basically we're swapping Billups for Kidd and Sheed for Camby. I think I'd be fine with that.