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Big Swami
05-11-2007, 12:47 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/6797428



PHOENIX (AP) - Phoenix All-Star Amare Stoudemire says the San Antonio Spurs are a "dirty team" and that Bruce Bowen tried to hurt him, nasty accusations sure to intensify the playoff series between two of the best teams in the NBA.

"He kicked me purposely in the back of my Achilles'. I almost came down wrong and he almost caused an injury," Stoudemire said after Thursday's practice. "He's known for doing that. I just hope the NBA and the commissioner take a look at that because it's definitely a dirty play."

The Suns' center, selected to the all-NBA first team Thursday, didn't stop there.

"I think the Spurs are a dirty team," he said. "I mean, (Manu) Ginobili during the regular season kneed me in the crotch on purpose. I just hope the league takes a look at it and cleans the game up a little bit."

The Spurs, who host the Suns in Game 3 of the Western Conference semifinals on Saturday, had finished practice in San Antonio and the players were gone when Stoudemire made his accusations. Tom James, director of media services, said the Spurs had no comment.

The play that led to Stoudemire's charges came in the third quarter of Phoenix's 101-81 victory in Game 2 on Tuesday night, when he was going up for an open dunk. The victory evened the best-of-seven series 1-1.

Stoudemire said he didn't know at the time if the kick was on purpose, but decided after viewing replays that it was.

"When I saw the replay and reviewed it three or four times, there was no doubt about it," he said. "It was a purpose kick to the Achilles' and he definitely tried to injure me."

Stoudemire's feelings were heightened by the fact that he missed all but three games last season while recovering from two knee surgeries.

"I was actually very, very, very upset," he said. "Me personally from last year, having to sit out the whole season because of injuries. And for a guy like Bruce Bowen, who is a two-time champion, he should have more class than that, should understand what it takes to be a professional."

A video on YouTube appears to show Bowen, an NBA all-defensive team selection, kicking Stoudemire's leg from behind.

Stoudemire said he didn't react at the time because he didn't want a suspension or a technical foul that would hurt his team.

"I know it's the playoffs. I understand a hard foul," Stoudemire said. "But that wasn't a hard foul at all. That was just a purpose kick trying to injure someone."

No foul was called on the play.

Stoudemire said the Achilles' was initially sore but was fine during practice. Both teams took the day off on Wednesday.

During the regular season, the New York Knicks' Steve Francis was injured when he stepped on Bowen's foot.

When the teams met again in San Antonio, Knicks coach Isiah Thomas drew a technical foul when he shouted something at Bowen when New York's Jamal Crawford nearly landed on the Spurs' player's foot.

"I thought Jamal went up to take the shot and as he was coming down, Bruce's foot was under him," Thomas said after that game. "And if he were to come down on his foot, he could have broken his ankle or sprained his ankle and he would have been out, just like Francis."

In March of 2006, Bowen was fined $10,000 by the NBA for kicking Seattle's Ray Allen in the back.

Suns coach Mike D'Antoni downplayed the incident involving Stoudemire.

"The league's going to look at it and they're going to examine past tendencies and stuff," he said. "I have no idea what Bruce Bowen does. I don't really care. I don't want to get into it because it's so minimal that it's no big deal. It really isn't."

Raja Bell, also an all-defensive team selection, said he doesn't like to use the words "dirty player."

"'I haven't seen the play," he said. "Dirty is not a word I like to use about anybody. They play hard, their physical. It's a physical time of year, but I didn't get kicked. Amare has the right to feel the way he wants to feel."

It's always been my impression that the following is true about the San Antonio Spurs:

A. Tim Duncan, while an excellent ball player, is a whiny bitch who should never say a bad thing about refs for the rest of his life.
B. Ginobili...just...Ginobili. You know?
C. Tony Parker, in addition to defeating Luke Walton for this year's "Whitest Dude in the NBA" award,* gets away with murder in the lane.
D. I've always hated Bruce Bowen for that weak-ass step-in move he uses. It seems deliberately done so to injure the shooter. I didn't know he was kicking people and shit until I saw the videos, and while I'm not especially inclined to give Bowen a whole lot of slack, it's pretty clear what he's trying to do there.

I'm astounded that Amare wants to start talking about this now...it seems as though he was going to keep his mouth shut, but he lost his cool. So my questions are these:

First, am I wrong here? Is Bowen actually a good defender or is he dirtier than pig shit on Bill Laimbeer's elbows? I'm curious to know if there's a reasonable flipside to this.

Second, what did Amare do by mentioning this? Was it a good thing or a bad thing to call Bowen out to the press, and do you think it will serve his intended purpose?


* This award is decided upon by me and my friend Tom. However, Tom is not permitted to vote for the winner.

darkobetterthanmelo
05-11-2007, 12:57 PM
Bowen is dirty, I think the rest of the spurs are just savvy. Bowen intentionally tries to injure the guy he guards with taht little leg kick.

DrRay11
05-11-2007, 01:07 PM
Yeah, what darkobetterthanmelo said. Bowen is dirty, the others, notsomuch.

WTFchris
05-11-2007, 01:35 PM
did anybody find the you tube video?

Glenn
05-11-2007, 01:41 PM
Second, what did Amare do by mentioning this? Was it a good thing or a bad thing to call Bowen out to the press, and do you think it will serve his intended purpose?






I like that Amare is mentioning this now, and not just from a "this makes this series even more interesting to watch" standpoint, either.

If Amare truly believes that Bowen is going to try and injure him again, then mentioning this now may prevent Bowen from actually trying to do so, now that all eyes are on him. Amare had to measure whether or not it was worth it to go public. Do I come off as a whiner and possibly fire up the Spurs even more, or do I just shut up and wait for Bowen to undercut me and claim in my season-ending presser that "I knew he was trying to hurt me"?

This was a pro-active move by Amare, and like Fred McGriff, I give it my full endorse-ment.

Fool
05-11-2007, 01:43 PM
sc4yz__akIU

darkobetterthanmelo
05-11-2007, 01:44 PM
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=bruce+bowen+dirty

Glenn
05-11-2007, 01:45 PM
That's old school piracy right there, video camera pointed at the tv set.

Nice.

WTFchris
05-11-2007, 01:46 PM
sc4yz__akIU

Fool
05-11-2007, 01:46 PM
< Winner!

WTFchris
05-11-2007, 01:46 PM
Clearly he intentionally kicked him. No way his momentum carried him that way at all. Dirty play, I agree with Amare.

Glenn
05-11-2007, 01:46 PM
Anybody have the video?

WTFchris
05-11-2007, 01:56 PM
The one against VC was a blatent undercut too. He came down in front of Carter and just ran right thru him until Vince fell down. Also, how can you defend the flying kick to the face of Wally?

Glenn
05-11-2007, 02:00 PM
Also, how can you defend the flying kick to the face of Wally?

Because it's Wally?

Fool
05-11-2007, 02:03 PM
Also, how can you defend the flying kick to the face of Wally?
I like to push Wally aside and then counter the kick with a dragon uppercut. There are numerous options however.

Glenn
05-11-2007, 02:09 PM
Personal life
Bowen is the son of Bruce Bowen Sr. and Dietra Campbell. He remembers having a problematic childhood, plagued by his father's drug addiction. Today, Bowen has cut many relationships to his parents and several relatives, instead looking up to his childhood friend Quinn Crozier and a Los Angeles couple which he regards as his adoptive parents.[2] Bowen is married to Yardley Barbon, and the couple has one son, Ojani, who was born on September 7, 2005.[4] When not standing on the hardwood, he is an ambassador against child obesity, and runs his own "GET FIT with Bruce and Buddy" program for healthy nutrition and daily sports acitivies for children. He is also a fan of the Dallas Cowboys and runs the Bruce Bowen Foundation, an organization set-up to provide scholarships, tuitions and to help those less fortunate. In addition, he is working on his college degree in communications from Cal State Fullerton, and wants to become a teacher after his NBA career.[4]

Doesn't seem like that bad of a guy.**

When your mom sells the family TV set to buy drugs*, maybe it makes you want to become a dirty NBA player?

*source: wiki

**green text added at 3:22 pm

Big Swami
05-11-2007, 03:06 PM
Well that childhood story sounds like a big source of unresolved anger. /psychiatry

Glenn - there are probably ten times as many pure assholes running around with bad parents as there are decent people with bad parents.

My instinct is to want to kick Bowen in the junk every time I see his face. The problem with that is that I get that instinct about a lot of people. I just wanted to check and see if it was justified in his case.

Fool
05-11-2007, 03:13 PM
Nice guys can be dirty.

Glenn
05-11-2007, 03:19 PM
Yeah, I was being a bit sarcastic, for a change.

Fool
05-11-2007, 03:23 PM
But the quote does make his seem nice...

So you wrongly think the story paints him poorly, and are being sarcastic about it making him seem nice?

Glenn
05-11-2007, 03:25 PM
I was being sarcastic by implying that just because Wikipedia has a warm fuzzy bio for him that it's impossible that he is dirty.

Maybe that's not exactly sarcasm in it's purest form, but if it isn't, I don't know what it is, and more importantly, I don't know what color text to use for it.

Fool
05-11-2007, 03:32 PM
White preferable. Then I don't have to read it.*








DAMN!

UxKa
05-11-2007, 07:36 PM
Im not going to say the Spurs, I have a lot of respect for Duncan. But in a word, yes, Bowen is dirty.

Laxation
05-12-2007, 01:52 AM
Heres a good video on it all

http://youtube.com/watch?v=j3n40cOkKTA

Shit happens, phoenix should get over it.

Glenn
05-14-2007, 08:50 AM
If Amare doesn't go public, I wonder if the NBA would have just let this go?


League looking into Bowen's actions in Game 3

By Marc Stein
ESPN.com

For the first time in an increasingly contentious San Antonio Spurs-Phoenix Suns series, Bruce Bowen is officially under the league's microscope.

An NBA spokesman confirmed Sunday night that Bowen's third-quarter knee to the groin of Suns guard Steve Nash in Saturday's Game 3 is under review for possible punishment.

Nash declined after Saturday's game and again Sunday to voice any public displeasure with Bowen's physical play. But the league decided anyway to conduct a full investigation into this incident after declining to do so when Bowen was accused of intentionally kicking Amare Stoudemire in Game 2.

Stoudemire called Bowen and Manu Ginobili "dirty" players after the Game 2 tangle, in which Bowen admitted he "did clip" Stoudemire from behind on a dunk.

If the league decides to fine or suspend Bowen, that announcement would come before Monday night's Game 4.

Big Swami
05-14-2007, 09:22 AM
OMG hahahahahahaha. I was wondering if something like that might happen, now it's absolutely confirmed: the NBA is the shittiest and most poorly-managed of all the major professional sports leagues. They don't do anything about anything until someone makes it a PR issue.

Fool
05-14-2007, 09:53 AM
Hi,

You are wrong.

Sincerely
Baseball


Heres a good video on it all

http://youtube.com/watch?v=j3n40cOkKTA

Shit happens, phoenix should get over it.
I hate that I just watched a SpursReport video. That place defines homerville.

Uncle Mxy
05-14-2007, 10:09 AM
When Bruce Bowen hits your knee
And you gotta take a pee
That's Amare...

WTFchris
05-14-2007, 10:31 AM
When I watch Bowen I have to dust my screen off at the end of every quarter because my TV is filthy.

micknugget
05-14-2007, 11:34 AM
I think that if the Suns lose this series either Amare or Nash should pull a Tony Harding on Bowen's Knee!! That would learn him!!!!!!!!

Big Swami
05-14-2007, 11:52 AM
Hi,

You are wrong.

Sincerely
Baseball

OK, I grant you that - MLB is incredibly shitty. But they're not trying to do anything. As far as they're concerned, everything is hunky-dory and there are no problems in professional baseball, so no need to act. There are no drugs, no steroids, plenty of money to go around, and all the fans are happy. They have no ambition, and no control. See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.

But the NBA is different - the NBA wants to expand to China and Europe. It wants to make all of its players whitey and politey. It wants to aggressively promote basketball through a few of its selected players as a force for "saving" the inner cities. It redefines itself every other year through slash-and-burn marketing. And in all those efforts, they invariably fail somehow through their intense and transparent need to control the message. The NBA's goal is to regulate how you think about basketball. And that's why they suck worse.

Glenn
05-14-2007, 04:20 PM
Bah, they let him off easy, just upgraded it to a Flagrant 1.


Bowen to play Game 4

By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports
May 14, 2007

Bruce Bowen will play for the San Antonio Spurs in Game 4 of the Western Conference semifinals against the Phoenix Suns on Monday night, the NBA office decided today.

After reviewing Bowen's third-quarter knee to the groin of the Suns' Steve Nash in Game 3 on Saturday, NBA vice president of basketball operations Stu Jackson upgraded the foul call on Bowen to a "Flagrant Foul 1" for the play. It carries no suspension.

Bowen apologized for the shot on Nash, insisting it was unintentional.

Bowen has come under fire in this series, which the Spurs lead two games to one, for his aggressive play. Phoenix's Amare Stoudemire called Bowen and teammate Manu Ginobili "dirty players," in part because he said he believed Bowen delivered a deliberate kick to the back of his leg in Game 2.

bangsta
05-17-2007, 12:04 PM
I wonder why Bowen has been getting the "dirty rep" over the years. the simplest and probably the correct answer is: because he is. i mean, flying kicks, sticking your foot under numerous shooters over the years for intimidation, doing that awkward pansy ass kick? geesh.

but i don't want to take away from the fact that he's a pretty good defender too. i mean he shut Chauncey down in the 4th quarter of that heart breaking game 7 loss.

as for manu, i think he's just plain annoying. i guess flopping all over the place could be considered dirty. anyway, i think the spurs aren't so much a dirty team, rather an annoying and boring team to watch.

Cross
05-17-2007, 03:28 PM
I hate Manu. I don't see how anyone can enjoy the way he plays. At times, he seems to use that "international" step where you could take an extra step. I think it's FIBA rules? Alot of players recognize that but the refs dont call it.

If the Spurs are not a dirty team, than who is? (not trying to be sarcastic)

Big Swami
05-17-2007, 03:50 PM
I wonder why Bowen has been getting the "dirty rep" over the years. the simplest and probably the correct answer is: because he is.

Yeah, I'm going with the principle of parsimony (http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/Asc/PRINCI_SIMPL.html) on this one.

Uncle Mxy
05-17-2007, 11:17 PM
but i don't want to take away from the fact that he's a pretty good defender too. i mean he shut Chauncey down in the 4th quarter of that heart breaking game 7 loss.
Chauncey could still move the ball around, though. That really succeeded because Rip was out of gas and couldn't take advantage of Tony Parker despite his height advantage. Rip's worked on that during the past couple years.

bangsta
05-17-2007, 11:50 PM
Chauncey could still move the ball around, though. That really succeeded because Rip was out of gas and couldn't take advantage of Tony Parker despite his height advantage. Rip's worked on that during the past couple years.
yup that was pathetic, how he couldn't post up on him. fading away and bricking..

well iirc the problem Chauncey had was he tried to out power bowen and played right into bowen's strengths.. well i'm sure he's got that figured (hope anyway) when we play the spurs in the finals this year. (yea, dropping bold predictions already :p)