Kevin Grady tore his ACL and will probably miss the entire 2007 football season. His Dad is trying to speak optimistically about it, but this will probably end his season. This puts Michigan in a tough spot with a sometimes injury plagued Hart at tailback, Carlos Brown on defense, and not much else there.

Not good news for the Wolverines.

Brandon Minor is a stud and Carlos Brown moved back to tailback. By the end of the season Minor has passed Grady as the #2 already, so it's not as big a blow. Avery Horn is unproven but there as additional depth beyond that.

It sucks for Grady, but tailback is the one position I'm the least worried about... unless Hart gets hurt.

You can just feel the disingenious disappointment in Tre's post.

You can just feel the disingenious disappointment in Tre's post.

You're right :)

Brandon Minor is a stud and Carlos Brown moved back to tailback. By the end of the season Minor has passed Grady as the #2 already, so it's not as big a blow. Avery Horn is unproven but there as additional depth beyond that.

I love the hype that Michigan fans throw at the backfield. A couple of years ago all my Michigan boys were hyping the Grady Train like none other. Last year Mr. Brown was hyped to no end. I pointed out that neither would see the field much but that was laughed off by my Wolvies. Now Grady is lost and no biggie. Miner is a "stud."

What goes around comes around. Everyone hypes guys. You're so freaking guilty of it with State's backfield that it isn't even funny.

Anyhow, how could you not hype Grady when he came to Michigan? Or Brown's speed? Truth is, Grady has been a huge disappointment.

Look at it purely from a statistical standpoint. Early on Grady was the clear #2 and got the carries. He finished the season with 55 carries for 187 yards, a terrible 3.4 ypc. Minor, on the other hand, had only 42 carries but ended up with 238 yards, 5.7 ypc. Brown was horrible, used in poorly planned gimmick plays, and now I really have no idea about him. He almost transferred altogether. Grady's injury probably kept him in Ann Arbor.

And like I said, Grady was no longer the #2 by the end of the season. He only had carries in one of the final 6 games, and that was the Northwestern game. Put the shoe on a green and white foot and honestly tell me you wouldn't have the exact same attitude.

I love the hype that Michigan fans throw at the backfield. A couple of years ago all my Michigan boys were hyping the Grady Train like none other. Last year Mr. Brown was hyped to no end. I pointed out that neither would see the field much but that was laughed off by my Wolvies. Now Grady is lost and no biggie. Miner is a "stud."

Or maybe we have one of the top 3 tailbacks in the country in front of him and Grady hasn't lived up to his hype so we generally just don't think it's that big of a deal. Grady has the state of Michigan rushing record - what's not to hype? But until he's the starting tailback, it's not a huge hit.

And in the long run, this might be a blessing in disguise for him and Michigan. Instead of having one year as the starting tailback (if he beats out the other tailbacks) he gets a medical redshirt and has two years starting. That is, of course, if he comes back at full strength.

Trust me, if this was Mike Hart who tore his ACL, you would see tears in Michigan fans' eyes.

LMAO at tre saying this is a big blow. This is actually great. Grady will redshirt. This KEEPS brown at Michigan instead of him transfering (lloyd just confirmed this at his presser about a half hour ago.)

Any more hype on Ringer, Caulcrick and Jimmerson?

Don't be a bad ref. Call whatever kind of game you want, but call it consistantly both ways.

LMAO at tre saying this is a big blow. This is actually great. Grady will redshirt. This KEEPS brown at Michigan instead of him transfering (lloyd just confirmed this at his presser about a half hour ago.)

You might be right about the situation regarding Grady redshirting and Brown staying. However, if you are looking for a National Championship this year, I'd probably want my #2 running back ready to go. I'd want him in case of injury to Hart and I'd want him as a goalline pounding option. In addition, having a 5 star talent tear their ACL is never a good thing. Let me see, you've got a running back who at times can be challenged in the speed department, that running back then tears his ACL. Good thing? Not for him it's not!

The Michigan writers at Rivals mimicked my sentiments, having a 5 star rb tear their ACL is not good.

Any more hype on Ringer, Caulcrick and Jimmerson?

Don't be a bad ref. Call whatever kind of game you want, but call it consistantly both ways.

I don't get your point at all. What am I not being consistant about? Did I hype Ringer? yup. Did he prove to be a great talent? yup. Muhme complimented me on that one.

Did I hype Caulcrick? ummm...no. Did I post about his size and how freakish that was? yup. Accurate? yup. He's 260.

Did I hype Jimmerson? Yup. Accurate? I guess we'll have to wait and see since he's entering his soph. year. Could I be wrong on 1 of 3, possibly? I don't think so though.

What does this have to do with the ridiculous "hype" you've thrown at your backfield? You talked about your backfield 5x more than I have about State's. And you also claimed at the start of last season that Grady and Brown would get significant carries and I argued against it. Who was right? You or me? Not sure where you are going with this. You're the one flip flopping by hyping guys and then shrugging it off when they tear an ACL. It's not me flip flopping, so get your story straight.

C'mon!

Can't you guys just be pissed about this so Tre can be happy?

Ok, you're right. When I heard about Grady I was nearly suicidal. I sharpened up the Cutco and had hot water running in the sink ready to go Last Emperor. But then I remembered Minor being the better back and Grady getting 8 carries total in the final eight games. So I just carved up my ear instead of going for the wrists.

Ok, you're right. When I heard about Grady I was nearly suicidal. I sharpened up the Cutco and had hot water running in the sink ready to go Last Emperor. But then I remembered Minor being the better back and Grady getting 8 carries total in the final eight games. So I just carved up my ear instead of going for the wrists.

So what you are saying is, I was right about Grady and Brown not being much of an impact in Michigan's backfield?

You hype him. I say he won't touch the field much.
I say the injury sucks for UM. You say it's no biggie.

Which is it?

C'mon!

Can't you guys just be pissed about this so Tre can be happy?

Honestly dude, I'm so wrapped up in the Roe, Strickland hype right now that I could care less about UM fball. I do have to call out flip floppers though.

Are you condemning us both? You repeated that he has speed issues and won't touch the field much but then it's going to hurt Michigan. Sounds like perhaps we'll both be flip floppers if you follow that logic.

To be honest, I would be happy if Michigan got 2 five star RB's every year. I would hype the crap out of them. Truth is they have to be there for 3 years so there would always be too much depth ahead of them for them to make much of an immediate impact. Does that mean I was wrong to hype them? Nope. Does it mean the school is going to be hurt big-time if they go down? Nope. Look at it this way. You cannot deny that Minor became the #2 back (though you keep ignoring it). That means even when Hart leaves, Minor had the better chance to be the #1 guy. Now let's say hypothetically Sam McGuffie comes to Michigan. Should I hype him? You've seen the video. But what if Minor is the #1, Grady comes back leaner and quicker after all the rehab, with a better understanding of the offense (which coaches said he was getting this spring prior to the injury, especially in terms of being patient for the hole to open), and Carlos Brown gets good reps. Avery Horn is decent. So that would make Brown the #3 guy with McGuffie as the freshman. Brown goes down. Does it hurt us? A bit. Does it kill us? Not really. The next year McGuffie goes down. He was the #4, then injured. He hasn't done a thing to this point. Was the hype in vain? No. Could he still have a strong career? Sure. Was the fact that he was out likely to kill Michigan's chances, seeing as how he wasn't the #1 or #2 option going into the season? Probably not.

Tre...maybe you missed the whole season last year...Minor is and was going to be Michigan's #2. I dont care if the kid was a 5 star when he came in? Does that mean that since he was a 5 star and Hart was a 3 star that if Grady tears his knee up its more of a hit than if Hart would?

I dont know...I dont see it at all. Minor gets to step up even more now...the guy that has fumble issues is out of the lineup...he gets a redshirt year. Brown stays...Sure there are some issues that makes this shitty...but overall this is a good thing...(not that a kid tore his ACL but that it opens up some more options for others.)

Wow. Spinning an injury to Grady, one that could be career damaging, one that doesn't do ANY good for Michigan kind of sets a new standard for the Drinkers of Blue Aid.
When will you, my fellow Michigan fans, realize that you are not just building castles in the air, you are now moving into them?
I truly think that posts 17 and 18 in this thread should be either framed by MSU fans so they can get a good fucking laugh at the expense of Michigan fans, or swatted by any moderator worth his salt who is a Michigan fan.
That is some weak shit.

Wow. Spinning an injury to Grady, one that could be career damaging, one that doesn't do ANY good for Michigan kind of sets a new standard for the Drinkers of Blue Aid.
When will you, my fellow Michigan fans, realize that you are not just building castles in the air, you are now moving into them?
I truly think that posts 17 and 18 in this thread should be either framed by MSU fans so they can get a good fucking laugh at the expense of Michigan fans, or swatted by any moderator worth his salt who is a Michigan fan.
That is some weak shit.

Thank You! A player tears his ACL and the UMers want to make it out to be a good thing. I wonder if I would have posted that it was no biggie, if the UMers would have then argued the other side. I tend to think so.

I expected, "This sucks, but we've got some kids that will be given an opportunity now." Didn't expect, "Sweet, Grady tore his ACL, now we can give our other studs the ball, this is Great!"

Whatever fellas...I didnt even think for a second that this was a big deal.

Zip...it was a clean tear. This isnt like Bass' injury. People come back from ACL's all the time now a days. this isnt 1979.

...having the opportunity to see Brown play numerous times, I am glad that they had this little problem that opened up a spot in the backfield. That is the SOLE reason he is coming back.

Wow! My fucking kid fell down the stairs last night and broke her right arm!
DUDE! Now I get to teach her how to write with her left hand, and not to mention that my OTHER kid is better at cleaning the kitchen!
WAHOOO! Good thing I got three kids, now one of them can "step it up to the next level" and show me what she's got when it comes to getting me a beer when I'm thirsty!
You know, I don't really like kids, but this arm breaking thing is sweet!

Wow! My fucking kid fell down the stairs last night and broke her right arm!
DUDE! Now I get to teach her how to write with her left hand, and not to mention that my OTHER kid is better at cleaning the kitchen!
WAHOOO! Good thing I got three kids, now one of them can "step it up to the next level" and show me what she's got when it comes to getting me a beer when I'm thirsty!
You know, I don't really like kids, but this arm breaking thing is sweet!
WOW! OUR QB DREW BLEDSOE JUST WENT DOWN after getting crushed out of bounds! DAMMIT! Now we have this scrub Tom Brady that has to fill it! ahhhhhhhhh!

WOW! matt gutierrez just went down! GREAT! Now we have this true freshman coming in...Chad Henne? WTF is this guy! ahhhhhhhhhhh

WOW! David Underwood just got crushed...I guess some of these backups are going to have to get some snaps...who the fuck is this three star Mike Hart kid! AHHH WE'RE DOOMED!

Zip...your last post was one of the worst posts I have ever seen on this board...and I honestly mean that.

Muhme:
Again, try most of this thread for the worst posts ever.
Michigan Blue Aid drinkers are the fucking worst. One goddam national championship in 50 years and everyone is supposed to reach for their ankles when Michigan Tradition is mentioned.
FORTY years of bullshit, peppered with "Kevin Grady tore his ACL. NOT that big a deal"
The crankiest, grumpiest fucking dolt to roam the sidelines in all of college football who has everyone enamored with three and four loss seasons every year.
Man, you guys are good for a bunch of laughs. You dominate these forums with the discussion of Michigan football and the bottom line is LLOYD FUCKING CARR is the head coach, and the program is headed south. See OSU and USC from last year, those two games told everyone THE TRUTH.
Now, a FIVE star recruit, one of maybe the TWO that Lloyd gets every year tears his knee up, Bass has torn his knee up, and Grumpy Carr, who spent his entire spring presser telling us how UM lacks bodies, might have to actually COACH the team this year.
I don't want to argue about this anymnore: If you see a silver lining, say it that way, that Carlos Brown will stick around, Minor will get carries, and Grady will come back for two years. then leave it at that. NOT, "well, it ain't no big deal, muthafucka, cuz we got studz everywhere!"
One place UM does NOT have "studz" is on the coaching staff, and we'll see what happens now that the arrests and injuries are taking their toll.

Muhme:
Again, try most of this thread for the worst posts ever.
Michigan Blue Aid drinkers are the fucking worst. One goddam national championship in 50 years and everyone is supposed to reach for their ankles when Michigan Tradition is mentioned.
FORTY years of bullshit, peppered with "Kevin Grady tore his ACL. NOT that big a deal"
The crankiest, grumpiest fucking dolt to roam the sidelines in all of college football who has everyone enamored with three and four loss seasons every year.
Man, you guys are good for a bunch of laughs. You dominate these forums with the discussion of Michigan football and the bottom line is LLOYD FUCKING CARR is the head coach, and the program is headed south. See OSU and USC from last year, those two games told everyone THE TRUTH.
Now, a FIVE star recruit, one of maybe the TWO that Lloyd gets every year tears his knee up, Bass has torn his knee up, and Grumpy Carr, who spent his entire spring presser telling us how UM lacks bodies, might have to actually COACH the team this year.
I don't want to argue about this anymnore: If you see a silver lining, say it that way, that Carlos Brown will stick around, Minor will get carries, and Grady will come back for two years. then leave it at that. NOT, "well, it ain't no big deal, muthafucka, cuz we got studz everywhere!"
One place UM does NOT have "studz" is on the coaching staff, and we'll see what happens now that the arrests and injuries are taking their toll.

Zip just bringin' the pain! I love it. Post quality skyrocketing each day.

Just to be clear, I have not said that Grady's injury was great news. I've acknowledged that it's a blow, but it could be so much worse. Losing the #1 or #2 guy would be worse. Losing Arrington, if it happens, would be worse. Losing Butler was worse. Losing Henne, Hart, Manningham, Minor, Long, etc would all be worse. Yeah, it sucks. But there are 10 guys at least on this team that are more crucial to the teams success. Grady was absolutely a 5 star talent. Rip the staff for not developing him on the next level if you want, but between the depth and his issues with hanging on the the ball, he has been a disappointment so far. If he had played like a 5 star talent at all, this would suck tremendously bad.
As it is, this is more like Jarrod Ward being injured. If you don't get the reference, don't ask.

Well, I see the point that you think Grady hasn't lived up to the promise and this injury isn't devastating to the team.
However, I still see the takes on his injury as Blue Aid Drinking Spinning, and it wouldn't matter one damn bit to Michigan if the injury hadn't happened or would have happened to even Hart.
Michigan will be just fine as they stumble along to yet another 9-3 season.

Just to be clear, I have not said that Grady's injury was great news. I've acknowledged that it's a blow, but it could be so much worse. Losing the #1 or #2 guy would be worse. Losing Arrington, if it happens, would be worse. Losing Butler was worse. Losing Henne, Hart, Manningham, Minor, Long, etc would all be worse. Yeah, it sucks. But there are 10 guys at least on this team that are more crucial to the teams success. Grady was absolutely a 5 star talent. Rip the staff for not developing him on the next level if you want, but between the depth and his issues with hanging on the the ball, he has been a disappointment so far. If he had played like a 5 star talent at all, this would suck tremendously bad.
As it is, this is more like Jarrod Ward being injured. If you don't get the reference, don't ask.
Just stop...it is obvious these two are trying to spin this into something were not even talking about.

I said "spin"-don't be stealing my material.

I haven't weighed in on this yet, and here is my two cents.

Like Tre said, sure me and my boys hyped "5 star" Grady early in his junior year of high school, but as soon as Hart went down in 2005, it was clear that Grady was not all he was cracked up to be. We hoped he would come back with a strong 2006, but that didn't happen. He was passed on the depth chart by Brandon Minor in about week 5.

Tre claims we overhype Minor, but I think he'll be a solid back in the future. He averaged 4.5 yards per carry last year as compared to Grady's 3.4 and Hart's 4.9. Maybe you remember a certain 40 yard TD run vs. MSU? The kid is big, strong, and fast.

Carlos Brown was a bit of a disappointment last year too, but was 4th on the depth chart, so there really wasn't much to judge him on. We just know he has blazing speed and we'll see what he can do with more meaningful touches this year.

So all in all, Hart will be fine for the year, Minor will be an awesome backup and Brown may excite in the #3 spot. Sure, you don't like to see a guy get hurt, but I don't think Grady going down hurts Michigan at all. Lloyd is so damn stubborn he would have forced carries to Grady and I like the fact that Minor and Brown will be carrying the rock instead.

Tre claims we overhype Minor, but I think he'll be a solid back in the future. He averaged 4.5 yards per carry last year as compared to Grady's 3.4 and Hart's 4.9. Maybe you remember a certain 40 yard TD run vs. MSU? The kid is big, strong, and fast.

I never claimed you overhyped Minor, I claimed you overhyped your entire backfield situation. Last year, the phrase "best backfield ever" was thrown around in my presence multiple times. And no I don't remember a 40 yd td vs. MSU. MSU sucked. I could run on their D.