Just four months after the release of the PlayStation 3, people are calling for its head to be delivered on a silver platter. The main reasons for this are: the high price tag, the low amount of good games, and the shoddy online service (when compared to Xbox Live). So, I'm going to do a little writeup on why all three of these are relatively moot when looking at the big picture.

A) The High Price Tag: The PlayStation 3 20 GB model, as you all probably know, retails at 499 while the 60 GB media monster retails at $599. Now, both of these models have two things: free online service and gameplay as well as BluRay playback. Now, let's take a look at the 360. Let's compare the high-end 360 with the low-end PS3. The premium 360 does not come with HD-DVD playback, nor does it come with free online play. Factor in two years of online play, and you're already looking at what is essentially a $499 system. If you keep playing online, you're looking at an investment of $600 dollars plus for the low-end 360 model. NOT TO MENTION: If you have a 1080p capable TV and want to make the best use of it with your 360, you'll be buying the $200 HD-DVD add on, which, if you're an online player, will push you towards a thousand dollars for a 360 that has everything that the low-end ($500) PS3 offers. Now, it's a given that not everyone plays Xbox Live or has/wants to use their 1080p HDTV, it's still only a $100 difference between the similar system. Furthermore, if Sony wished to include a PS3 without a hard drive or HDMI capability, it would probably be offered at the same price as the premium 360 or less (keep in mind the accumulative price of Xbox Live). Sony is absolutely offering the PS3 at the right (even bargain) price when compared to its services and the 360's. They merely didn't feel that they needed to cater to the offline/nonHDMI crowd as the 360s did, and that has cost them some customers at this point.

I will not include the cost of the Wii in this discussion, seeing as the technologies are incredibly different in terms of processing and development costs.

B) The Lack of Good Games: Hello, world. Every console has a lack of good games out of the gate. It happened with the 360, it happened with the PS2, it happened with the Wii (Zelda and... uhh WarioWare minigames!). Why people are raving that the Wii is so much better at this point is beyond me. Once you get past the good couple of games, it is in the same situation as the PS3 outside of the advanced motion capture capabilites. Also, an awful lot of people seem to think that the PS3 does not have any good exclusives coming out either. Let's take a look at the exclusives worth mentioning that the 360 has out right now or has coming out in the next year or two:

Gears of War
Dead Rising
Halo 3
Bioshock
Mass Effect
Splinter Cell (I think)
Viva Pinata
Fable 2
Forza 2
Project Gotham 3
Lost Planet (almost not worth mentioning)

OK, so that's quite a few good games, but only about half of them are currently out, and the rest we are judging on potential. It is not as if the 360 has boatloads of grandeur exclusivity. Now, let's look at what the PS3 has and will have coming out within the next couple of years:

Resistance: Fall of Man
Metal Gear Solid 4
Heavenly Sword
Devil May Cry 4
Final Fantasy XIII
Killzone
God of War III (I think as of yet unannounced, but probably inevitable)
Resistance 2 (ditto)
LittleBigPlanet (Viva Pinata?)
Gran Turismo
Lair
Ratchet & Clank: Future

So, while only one of those games are out now, the rest really do have a hell of a lot of potential (I do think Mass Effect will kick the most ass, however). I may have missed some here and there, but I think I got a lot of them. There is one thing the 360 is missing and probably will continue to miss: a great RPG.

As far as the Wii goes, I really haven't looked into it all that much, as this debate is centered around the 360 and PS3. From what I've seen, it looks to be like a lot of first party titles (good since it's Nintendo), some quirky shit here and there, and a slew of mediocre-looking games that might get gimmicky with the Wiimote (see: the Prince of Persia: Rival Swords). As far as games go, the Wii right now looks like it might be Gamecube II. Once again, this is speaking merely in terms of games, a place where the Wii has excellent potential given some good third party games. That controller just has so much potential, but I'm beginning to wonder if it's a bit hard to implement in all the games.

C) The Online Play: While the 360 is undoubtedly the leader at this point, the PS3 may have just taken a huge step in the right direction with its announcement of its online world, "Home." It is a world in which you supposedly be able to run around to different places to buy/download different things for your PS3. I believe the current functionalities will be maintained for those that do not wish to partake in this "Home." Admittedly, the PS3 right now is a few steps behind the 360 with its weak Accomplishments and somewhat shoddy online support for lots of games. Sony should make it mandatory for game developers to include online play for any game containing multiplayer, a la 360. There are other problems, too, but they should be reasonably easy for Sony to flesh out with upcoming updates. "Home" is looking to be a giant leap for Sony-mankind.

I also hear many people bashing the PS3's web browser, many of whom are 360 owners. Hello, dumbasses. The 360 doesn't even have one (this is coming from a 360 owner).

I know nothing of the Wii's online functionality, and although I hear its web browser is heads and shoulders above PS3's, I also hear the competitive aspect of online play is largely missing at this point. We'll have to wait and see how that develops as well.

So, you can see my points--While the PS3's launch may have been slow, the pieces are becoming apparent. Now it's time for Sony and gamers everywhere to put them together.

B) The Lack of Good Games: Hello, world. Every console has a lack of good games out of the gate. It happened with the 360, it happened with the PS2, it happened with the Wii (Zelda and... uhh WarioWare minigames!). Why people are raving that the Wii is so much better at this point is beyond me. Once you get past the good couple of games, it is in the same situation as the PS3 outside of the advanced motion capture capabilites. Also, an awful lot of people seem to think that the PS3 does not have any good exclusives coming out either. Let's take a look at the exclusives worth mentioning that the 360 has out right now or has coming out in the next year or two:

Gears of War
Dead Rising
Halo 3
Bioshock
Mass Effect
Splinter Cell (I think)
Viva Pinata
Fable 2
Forza 2
Lost Planet (almost not worth mentioning)



You didn't even mention some of the best games the 360 has to offer here:
Rainbow Six: Vegas
GRAW
GRAW2
NBA 2K7 (best basketball game I've ever played.)
Test Drive Unlimited
Project Gotham 3

And check the rest of the games coming next fall...


And lost planet blows, worst game ever, just looks good.

Exclusives. GRAW2, Rainbow Six: Vegas are coming to PS3. To your credit, I did forget Project Gotham. Don't know about Test Drive for sure.

Exclusives. GRAW2, Rainbow Six: Vegas are coming to PS3. To your credit, I did forget Project Gotham. Don't know about Test Drive for sure.

My bad, I didn't know those games were set to debut on the PS3.

Damn good post E-ray. I'm definitely waiting until fall to get a next gen system and will be interested to see how PS3 looks with time under its belt. The one thing about it is that it has more upside than the 360 for where it can eventually go once people learn its limits, while 360 is just about at its own limits with less room for how much better it'll get. But potential doesnt sale systems, so they gotta execute on it in order to pick up sales this fall.

Exclusives. GRAW2, Rainbow Six: Vegas are coming to PS3. To your credit, I did forget Project Gotham. Don't know about Test Drive for sure.


Actually, e-ray, Sony is losing the Metal Gear and GTA exclusive licenses. In fact, Sony has been providing weak ass support to the developers and they are getting pissed.

As far as the 360 goes, the HD-DVD is only going to be used to play movies, there are no plans to use it for games, but I don't really care. The 360 is actually about to drop in price, has better support, better online service, and the developers are getting behind it more than ever.

Sony is in a world of hurt over the PS3.

I thought Guns of the Patriots was a PS3 exclusive.. I knew about GTA.

I also know Sony is in a world of hurt right now over the PS3. The point remains, there are still some very promising games coming out reasonably soon. Sony continues to offer updates, is making an attempt at a brilliant online service with "Home," and from the sounds of it, Microsoft's support isn't leaps and bounds ahead of Sony. The one experience I had with Sony was very pleasant. When my PS2 was having disc read errors, I phoned them and they fixed it for free. I shipped it out, and I'm not shitting you, no more than a week later I got it back. I've heard nothing about a forthcoming price drop, but forgive me there.

As far as HD-DVD goes, you refuse to acknowledge my point that, comparitively, the PS3 is at the right price or less. I said nothing about it playing HD-DVD games, and merely said if a 360 owner wanted to add HD-DVD, it's another 200 fat ones. Don't try to take what I said out of context.

I thought Guns of the Patriots was a PS3 exclusive.. I knew about GTA.

I also know Sony is in a world of hurt right now over the PS3. The point remains, there are still some very promising games coming out reasonably soon. Sony continues to offer updates, is making an attempt at a brilliant online service with "Home," and from the sounds of it, Microsoft's support isn't leaps and bounds ahead of Sony. The one experience I had with Sony was very pleasant. When my PS2 was having disc read errors, I phoned them and they fixed it for free. I shipped it out, and I'm not shitting you, no more than a week later I got it back. I've heard nothing about a forthcoming price drop, but forgive me there.

As far as HD-DVD goes, you refuse to acknowledge my point that, comparitively, the PS3 is at the right price or less. I said nothing about it playing HD-DVD games, and merely said if a 360 owner wanted to add HD-DVD, it's another 200 fat ones. Don't try to take what I said out of context.

Yeah, the PS3 is the right price if you want to watch Blu Ray DVD's, but it's still new technology that's future is still unclear. Plus, it's a video game system, first and foremost. Kids want to play video games, not watch Blue Ray movies, so parents can't justify the extra price tag.

The 360 is far more feature laden, minus the Blu Ray, than the PS3. The mere fact that you can integrate it with your PC, download movies and TV shows right to it, and rip CD's to it if you wanted to has the PS3 beat.

Yes, XBOX Live costs $50 a year, but I would rather pay for that quality and have ONE friends list, than not pay and have a different friends list for each game that I play. Not to mention, I think MS definitely has the upper hand when it comes to online utilities and how to program stuff for use with the internet. It's friggin' Microsoft for christ's sake!

I mentioned pretty much all of that besides the ability to rip movies/CD's to the Xbox. I said PS3 is behind Xbox in terms of online capabilities/services at this point. I also said the PS3 was the right price in the context of technology, and I said they are losing customers right now because they didn't offer a stripped down version. I don't understand what you're arguing when I basically already said that.

Update: The PS3 takes a hit. Devil May Cry 4 is going multiplatform (PC and 360).

Update: The PS3 takes a hit. Devil May Cry 4 is going multiplatform (PC and 360).

Big surprise. [smilie=rolleyes2.g:

So, they now have...

Devil May Cry 4
GTA
Metal Gear(?)

going multiplatform. So, what game do they have as a system seller to compete with the 360, Halo, and Gears of War?


I don't think Metal Gear has stated they are going multi-platform just yet, though, but I think it's been speculated for awhile now.

And, e-ray, I'm not bashing PS3 owners, just Sony in general. They have been very arrogant with their launch of the PS3 and have pretty much ignored all criticisms from developers and people of the like. Plus, they underestimated the power of Billy G. and his ability to make a gaming system.

Big surprise. [smilie=rolleyes2.g:

So, they now have...

Devil May Cry 4
GTA
Metal Gear(?)

going multiplatform. So, what game do they have as a system seller to compete with the 360, Halo, and Gears of War?


I don't think Metal Gear has stated they are going multi-platform just yet, though, but I think it's been speculated for awhile now.

And, e-ray, I'm not bashing PS3 owners, just Sony in general. They have been very arrogant with their launch of the PS3 and have pretty much ignored all criticisms from developers and people of the like. Plus, they underestimated the power of Billy G. and his ability to make a gaming system.

They still have Final Fantasy, and I have a feeling that Sony fans are going to be happy with the next Resistance and possibly Killzone (although the first one was a disappointment). Try not to be blind to all of the games I put up there. I guess I'm just looking for a little more variety out of Microsoft, as their premium 360 games look to be all shooters (outside of Viva Pinata and sports/racing games, of course).

I don't think you can say Sony has been ignoring all criticisms etc. They have been coming out with firmware updates to try and meet customer complaints and demands (see recently announced downloading update), they are trying to do something with a lot of potential in the online world (Home), and more. They may have underestimated Billy G., and really, Sony is the only arrogant sounding one because they have been the console leader the past two generations. Microsoft and I think Nintendo have made some very arrogant statements as well (in my latest issue of EGM, a head of the 360 department sidestepped and dodged questions and gave bullshit answers as well). Sony garners all the attention with replies that their system is still selling to their expectations and so forth (which it was until recently). Now people just have to see some more good games for PS3 before they buy it.

Also, I don't even own a PS3. I'm trying to stay objective in a pool full of haters and fanboys. Sony has work to do, no doubt. But they're on their way to getting it done, and that's what I'm trying to point out.

They still have Final Fantasy...

Uh, actually that's under discussion, too.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6167864.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;2

Well, if all of those titles go multi-, then yes, shit may be hitting the fan after all. However, if FFXIII, MGS4, etc stay exclusive, the PS3 will by far have more variety. While the 360 will be loaded with shooters like Halo, Gears of War, and Mass Effect (although that looks to be something more), the PS3 will have good shooters (Resistance, possibly Killzone) as well as RPG's, stealth-action, and action-adventure killer apps such as FFXIII, MGS4, God of War III, and Ratchet and Clank.

Tekken? That's a pretty big one I think.

Well, if all of those titles go multi-, then yes, shit may be hitting the fan after all. However, if FFXIII, MGS4, etc stay exclusive, the PS3 will by far have more variety. While the 360 will be loaded with shooters like Halo, Gears of War, and Mass Effect (although that looks to be something more), the PS3 will have good shooters (Resistance, possibly Killzone) as well as RPG's, stealth-action, and action-adventure killer apps such as FFXIII, MGS4, God of War III, and Ratchet and Clank.

But would it be enough to finally start tapping into the 360 user base and get more people to buy the system?

That's an open ended question. ;)

But would it be enough to finally start tapping into the 360 user base and get more people to buy the system?

That's an open ended question. ;)

Once the first price drop hits and those games are out (and exclusive), I'll probably have to buy one. But until then, that's a negative. For me.

And Vinny, you're right. Tekken is a very good videogame, I just didn't think it had a big enough following to be listed with the rest of them, being a fighting game and all. I was in between on that one.

Tap into the 360 user base? 10 million 360s sold to date. No company needs to win over those 10 million. The battle isn't over the people who've already bought a 360, its about those who are still playing their PS2s, Xboxs, and Gamecubes.

The best Tekken has done is 7 million on the PS. On the PS2, 4 million was its height. You are right, fighting games are typically not system sellers. (those are shipped #s not bought)

None of the 3 companies has a purely rose colored future. M$ still can't sell to Japan nor is its gaming branch profitable (which may or may not be a priority), nor does it have any kind of portable system who's place in the market is growing and has started to be predicted as overtaking consoles in the future. The PS3's struggles are well documented, hemoraging money per system, problems making the damn thing, and losing its strangle hold on publishers. Nintendo while happy about the initial sales still finds itself as the main publisher for almost all of the popular games on its systems and doesn't seem to be aware that Al Gore invented the internet over 20 years ago.

The Wii is doing fantastic right now and, for all intents and purposes, is a fun system. The thing that I keep on wondering about is what happens when people get tired of all the gimmicky games and graphics that don't come anywhere near the PS3 or 360? I wonder if it will have the staying power of the other systems? Plus, there's that whole internet thing that they refuse to do anything about.

I wonder the same thing, bangpow. Nothing to do but wait and see what games come out in the future for it.

My only problem with that is calling it "gimmicky". The DS is dominating handhelds with a similar play style. I agree that its certainly too early to tell what will happen with the system in terms of the traditional market.

My only problem with that is calling it "gimmicky". The DS is dominating handhelds with a similar play style. I agree that its certainly too early to tell what will happen with the system in terms of the traditional market.

I mean, with the party games and what not. A lot of people had a blast with Wii sports when it came out, but now it's like there's a "now what?" attitude with the games.

I've heard great things about Tiger Woods and Zelda, but what's next?

Granted, I want a Wii and I think it's a fun system and caters to a much needed demographic in the video game department, but we'll see how people feel about the system after the Halo's and God of War games come out for the other systems.

As far as handhelds go, that's a whole nother ball of wax. While the PSP is mroe powerful, Nintendo has been at the handheld gaming racket for a long time now and really built up a nice following. Plus, I speak for myself, I know I don't really need the absolute best graphics while I'm playing a handheld game.

I mean, with the party games and what not. A lot of people had a blast with Wii sports when it came out, but now it's like there's a "now what?" attitude with the games.

Definately, Nintendo is notorious for its gaps in game releases. Something that pretty much stems from being its own dominant game maker with little 3rd party support these days.



Granted, I want a Wii and I think it's a fun system and caters to a much needed demographic in the video game department, but we'll see how people feel about the system after the Halo's and God of War games come out for the other systems.

Yes, I've agreed about the traditional market comment already.



As far as handhelds go, that's a whole nother ball of wax. While the PSP is mroe powerful, Nintendo has been at the handheld gaming racket for a long time now and really built up a nice following. Plus, I speak for myself, I know I don't really need the absolute best graphics while I'm playing a handheld game.

Of course they've been in the console racket longer than handheld with a similar following which is why they could live out their previous two mistakes. Graphics and power are just 2 sub-issues in gaming with the main issue always being game availability. The DS isn't dominating because of its gimmick, it's dominating because you simply can't get its games anywhere else. I agree that the handheld market is a different beast in that in a way its a compliment to consoles (though like I said earlier, its looking like that might not always be the case). However, there's no other console comparison to use as a possible analogy to the Wii.

PS3 60 GB model dropped to $499, while they announce an 80GB model with included "Motorstorm" and price it at $599.

I'll be purchasing one when the next price drop is made.

Things are looking great for the PS3, while Microsoft only has a few good games coming out anytime soon (within the next year and a half).

Microsoft:

Halo 3
Mass Effect
Fable 2

Sony:

MGS4
Uncharted
Killzone 2
UT3 (PS3 Timed exclusive)
Haze (PS3 Timed exclusive)
Little Big Planet
Final Fantasy XIII
Heavenly Sword
Lair
InFamous (looks similar to Crackdown, but we'll see how it turns out)

It looks like the PS3, along with another rumored priced drop within the next half year to year, will soon be on par with the 360 in terms of good games if all of these pan out to respectable levels.

I know for sure that I'll be buying a PS3 when some of these titles hit the shelves.

http://www.gamespot.com/video/926596/6174329/metal-gear-solid-4-guns-of-the-patriots-official-trailer-7

i'm sorry but this new MGS4 preview has sold me.

also the rumor of MGS4 to 360 is still just a rumor. I see they are pushing it hard and in some cases calling official with no legit official word. But its still on PS3 only at the moment.

Also God Of war 3 is a mandatory play when it comes out. I'm grabbing a PS3 this winter, 360 hasnt made me all that hyper on a mass scale unfortunately.

But This is the thing. If you were big on socom, God of war, MGS 4, Final Fantasy, and the other ps2 exclusives. You need a hard sell on turning down the investment of getting a ps3.

with those titles its far from dead and with ps2 games like god of war 2 out selling all games next and current gen, they still have a fan base to snatch .

Konami wants to port it to the 360, but Hideo Kojima (the mastermind behind the series) and Sony say it's staying exclusive to the PS3 for good. We'll see what happens though, it'd be great for Sony if it stayed as is.

Konami wants to port it to the 360, but Hideo Kojima (the mastermind behind the series) and Sony say it's staying exclusive to the PS3 for good. We'll see what happens though, it'd be great for Sony if it stayed as is.
Its the biggest preview in gaming, damn right they want to port it to two systems, wii too if its possible. I think the sales after its release will dictate where that goes further down the road.

Things are looking great for the PS3, while Microsoft only has a few good games coming out anytime soon (within the next year and a half).

Microsoft:

Halo 3
Mass Effect
Fable 2

Sony:

MGS4
Uncharted
Killzone 2
UT3 (PS3 Timed exclusive)
Haze (PS3 Timed exclusive)
Little Big Planet
Final Fantasy XIII
Heavenly Sword
Lair
InFamous (looks similar to Crackdown, but we'll see how it turns out)

It looks like the PS3, along with another rumored priced drop within the next half year to year, will soon be on par with the 360 in terms of good games if all of these pan out to respectable levels.

I know for sure that I'll be buying a PS3 when some of these titles hit the shelves.

Unfortunately for sports fans Madden, NCAA, and APF2K8 will only be running 1t 30 fps on the PS3 while they run at 60 fps on the 360.

Yesh, I was unaware of that, and yesh, it does suck.

Looks like I'll be buying Madden for the 360 if everything else is unchanged.

Why Bang?

Why Bang?

I don't know why exactly. What I do know is that the PS3 is the biggest bitch of them all to program games for and Sony's support for the developers sucks ass. So, I'm thinking that might have something to do with it, but I never got a straight answer from anyone at EA regarding the issue, but there is a bright side...

I guess Madden will run at 60 fps on the PS3 after all. At least, that's what was reported today on OS.

30 fps is low enough to be a case of ridiculously poor developer support. No one wants their franchise game running at 30.

I'm guessing the reasoning is that the 360 is the lead platform for all the games (they code there first) and that, like bang said, the PS3 is a bitch to program for (although it has more potential for huge games).

But, hopefully for PS3 owners, Madden will run at 60 fps anyhow like bangpow said.

I remember somebody here bashing me for bashing the PS3. Now the PS3 is getting worked, dropping the price alarmingly fast, video game companies that were considering exclusives w/ PS3 are changing their minds, and the 360 is flourishing.

Where are you now?

Actually, more games are becoming exclusive to PS3 now. Games such as Unreal Tournament 3 and Haze will now hit the PS3 first (UT3 may not hit 360 at all, although it probably will). Developers are just now warming up to the PS3 and its architecture. Take Epic for example (creators of Gears of War). Epic is quoted as saying they will be working on a new exclusive to the PS3 (probably similar to Gears of War).

Yes, the PS3 was in trouble -- now, however, with games such as MGS4, Heavenly Sword, Lair, and Ratchet and Clank Future just over the horizon (and many more), things are going to be much better for the PS3 while Xbox 360 will likely be flailing in the wake of few (but very strong) good releases in Halo 3, BioShock, Mass Effect.

Also, for the record, Blu-Ray sales are smashing HD-DVD across the globe, so that's another plus for Sony.

I remember somebody here bashing me for bashing the PS3. Now the PS3 is getting worked, dropping the price alarmingly fast, video game companies that were considering exclusives w/ PS3 are changing their minds, and the 360 is flourishing.

Where are you now?

LOL WTF???
Really, thats not even as true as you think. But you got one thing right, you're bashing and as usual bring nothing close to objective to the table.


Now the PS3 is getting worked
By who? Stick to the facts. Sony hasnt reached its peak in the next gen market probably wont until next year when most of their high selling franchises hit. Kinda early to get silly isnt it?


dropping the price alarmingly fast,
again is there anything they do that you wont interpret as "PS3 is reeling"? LOL. Price drop was inevitable. Is 360 scared if they drop the price? I dont get that theory.


video game companies that were considering exclusives w/ PS3 are changing their minds
I love this dispute, because Outside of a couple games, its been greatly exaggerated. MGS4 rumor has been debunked, and God of War 3 along with Socom 4 are two of the higher selling franchises that arent going anywhere(God of war 2 out sold all next gen games on the charts during its run). I dont get your rush to declare victory in a battle that honestly doesnt involve you or me. You chose to buy a 360. That means nothing in this. So why bash ps3 just because you didnt buy it?


and the 360 is flourishing.
Really? They've done well no doubt. Unfortunately their customers havent flourished. But they still have alot of service issues and that could come back to haunt them.


Technical problems
An Xbox 360 showing three red lights, a general hardware failure.
An Xbox 360 showing three red lights, a general hardware failure.

Main article: Xbox 360 technical problems

Like many modern electronics, the Xbox 360 is equipped to communicate its operational status to its users. This status is normally shown via array of green lights on the Xbox 360's Ring of Light. In the case of an undesirable state, the machine provides indication to the user through one of several means. This display maybe an error message for most minor errors, or a Screen of Death in the instance of an unrecoverable software failure. Rebooting the system relieves most errors, the console booting up fully functional. However, in the case of a hardware condition, the Ring of Light display on the front of the console itself changes from green to red, the number of sectors illuminated informing a user what category the error falls into. On September 29, 2006, Microsoft released a statement saying that they will waive the cost for repairs on all Xbox 360 consoles made before January 1, 2006, and refund any fees already paid.[79] However, as of January 1, 2007, Microsoft has discontinued the policy to fix the pre-2006 consoles for free. On December 21, 2006 the warranty for all consoles purchased in Canada and the United States was extended from 90 days to one year.[80]

On April 14, 2007, the Dutch TV program "Kassa", as a reaction of over a thousand customers complaining about the fact that their Xbox 360s had scratched up their game discs, broadcasted a program in which they revealed a test they had done. The test indicated that some Xbox 360s, equipped with Toshiba Samsung Storage Technology (TSST) DVD players, scratch DVDs spontaneously, even when the Xbox is placed on a stable surface, rendering some games unplayable. A reseller (BOL.com) that was sued by one of the gamers that took part in the Kassa program attended the broadcast and provided replacement equipment to the user. Additionally, they informed Kassa "that they had contacted the 1% of users who reported the problem with the offer of replacing all their game discs and consoles". Microsoft itself however refused to take part in the program, but just one day before the program broadcasted they sent Kassa a formal letter in which they told Kassa the costumers can contact them whereupon they will "examine the console and make appropriate repairs if necessary in order to restore the console to full working order",[81] and also wrote that “…it is possible that scratches may originate from frequent use."[82][81][83][84]

In the beginning of June 2007 the European Commission started an investigation into these scratching problems.[85]

In July 9, 2007 a lawsuit was filed in a Florida federal court by one Jorge Brouwer, who claims Microsoft has received thousands of complaints about the disk scratching problems but has not replaced all scratched disks, and that the consoles are "negligently designed and manufactured." The lawsuit seeks class-action status.[86]

Microsoft announced changes to their warranty coverage on July 5, 2007. This increased the standard one year manufacturer's warranty to three years, specifically covering general hardware failures indicated by the three red lights. It is also retroactive to any previously purchased systems; original launch consoles are covered until November 2008. Additionally, any customers who have previously paid for repairs for general hardware failures will be reimbursed in full.[87][88] It has also been reported that Microsoft will spend over $1 billion repairing Xbox 360s.[89] In addition, Peter Moore stated in his open letter that "to address this issue, and as part of our ongoing work, we have already made certain improvements to the console," indicating future systems received some design improvements.

So it takes thousands of complaints and possibly millions worldwide to get Microsoft off its ass? Now because of this they are going to lose a cool Billion because they took so long in addressing it. I personally dont think thats the type of business of a company flourishing with its customers in harmony, which is what i'd prefer.

Bigger = Better.

Heres more of your ego maniac brilliance flourishing your foot in your mouth.

The Xbox 360 began production only 69 days before launch.[94] As a result, Microsoft was not able to supply enough systems to meet initial consumer demand in Europe or North America.[95] Many potential customers were not able to purchase a console at launch. This lack of availability caused Xbox 360 bundles to sell on eBay at inflated prices; some auctions exceeded US$6,000. Forty thousand units appeared on eBay during the initial week of release; this was 10% of the total supply.[96] By year's end, Microsoft had shipped 1.5 million units; including 900,000 in North America, 500,000 in Europe, and 100,000 in Japan.[97]

At E3 in May 2006, Bill Gates announced that Microsoft would have a head start of 10 million units by the time Sony and Nintendo enter the market.[98] Microsoft later specified that goal and estimated shipments of 10 million units by the end of 2006,[99] a target it passed by 400,000 units.[1] 4.5 million consoles have been shipped to retailers in the United States[3] and, as of February 11, 2007, 317,319 units in Japan.[4] Although the console is a success in the United States, Europe and Australia, it continues to struggle in Japan, placed a distant third in the Japanese gaming market.

During an earnings call in January 2007, Microsoft's CFO downgraded estimated Xbox 360 sales for the first half of 2007.[100] Cumulative sales from the system's launch until June 30, 2007 were predicted to reach 12 million units, down from 13 to 15 million units estimated earlier. Microsoft later announced they shipped 11.6 million units cumulative to June 30 2007.[93]
Region Units sold
North America 5,400,000+ as of May 18, 2007[101]
Japan 380,131+ as of July 2, 2007[102]

However, despite these sales figures, Microsoft's gaming division is losing money. Up to 2005, the Xbox gaming division had lost over $4 billion dollars.[103] However, Microsoft expects the console will start making money in 2008.[104] This is due to a market strategy of selling consoles below cost in order to obtain market saturation and turn a profit on software and peripherals that have a much higher profit margin.[105][106]

The thing about a head start is that you dont get the real results until the end of the race. This competition is unlikely to be settled for at least 3-4 years. So calm down and stop masturbating yourself silly over shyt like its settled. Enjoy your xbox, I'll enjoy my ps2. If sony proves to not be up to par next year, i'll have an xbox too I guess.

LOL @ the flashing red lights problem. Microsoft (if I remember reading correctly) admitted that, indeed, all 360's made to this point are faulty, so it's really a matter of luck or time. I just sent mine in for repair on Friday.

Todd Howard, a top gaming executive producer at Bethesda Softworks, brought two Xbox 360's to his E3 07 Fallout 3 demonstration claiming, "I do have a backup should one Xbox 360 fail ... evidently they do that sometimes." ... lol

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070716/tc_nm/sony_playstation_dc

surprise! probably a good move to clear out in store units, though.

Microsoft's Xbox 360 comes in three models priced from $300 to $480. The most expensive model, the Elite, comes with a 120-gigabyte hard drive but lacks the PS3's high-definition DVD player, built-in wireless technology and bundled game.
Doesn't it have an HD-DVD player?

as an add-on. It's $200 extra (blech).

http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/13/sony-says-499-60gb-ps3-is-staying-alive-alive-in-us/


After some turbulent hours of confusion over this story (http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/13/60gb-ps3-disappearing-soon-no-price-cut-for-europe/), Sony finally got its facts straight and let the world know that it is in fact not going to discontinue its 60GB PS3 in US once current stock runs out. According to SCEA's Dave Karraker, "As announced this week, SCEA's product offering in North America consists of a 80GB PS3 available in August at $599 and a 60GB PS3 available now for $499. We have will have ample supplies of both models to meet the needs of our consumers for the foreseeable future." Apparently the confusion arose from Sony Europe's David Reeves explaining that if they cut the 60GB price in Europe, they'd run out of stock in Europe by the end of July. So, false alarm people, please resume buying / not buying your $499 60GB PS3s in an orderly manner.

Update: This has been semi-contradicted once again (http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/13/sony-says-60gb-is-not-over-in-us/), with Sony now saying that they have enough stock to sell 60GB consoles for the next few months, but it doesn't sound like they'll be making any more after that. According to Karraker, "We won't be making any further announcements regarding our PS3 model hardware strategy in North America until the 60GB model is exhausted and market conditions are evaluated."

In other words, the first report, that they will stop making the cheaper PS3, looks to be true.

My guess is that they may offer a standalone 80 GB version for $499 shortly after there are no more 60 GB's left. Then, they'll have an 80 GB version and a 80 GB version with Motorstorm and, say, an extra controller or something.

PS3 only MGS4 gameplay. One word....DAMN!!!!!

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/22702.html

Werd up. Rumored to have Heavenly Sword and Ratchet and Clank Future (which has the potential to be a top game this year) coming to the PS store this week as demos. MGS4 is rumored to follow sometime thereafter, I would have to imagine it would be a couple of months before they can release MGS4 as a demo though.

It's too bad these things are 500 dollars and I have to pay for school, or else I'd be buying one of these pups real soon.

LOL WTF???
Really, thats not even as true as you think. But you got one thing right, you're bashing and as usual bring nothing close to objective to the table.


I don't know one person that has a PS3, not a single one! Is that how it was during the PS and PS2 days? NO. Everybody and their brother had one and it was the dominating system.

Say what you want, but I'm a big time gamer, I work in a lower elem., and coach at a high school and for me to not know one person that has one in a pretty well off district that has the demographics that you'd look for in a next gen. market- that's bad.

You say dropping the price was inevitable. I say look at history. When a system drops its price, it's not a good thing. Go back and look at the history of every major video game system, when they dropped their price it meant one of two things- their system was winding down and near the end of its life or their system was not doing well.

Say what you want, in the end, you'll see that PS3 was one big disaster. (BTW, used to be a HUGE Sony guy and never once thought about buying a XBox)

I don't know one person that has a PS3, not a single one! Is that how it was during the PS and PS2 days? NO. Everybody and their brother had one and it was the dominating system.
Interesting how you dont note that its come out later and is more expensive. You're trying to bash the PS3 as a system and that in itself is a joke. Its fairly highly rated. The reality is that it costs 200 dollars more than the 360 and came out way later. in less than half the time PS3 has sold about half as many units worldwide. They have 1.5 million sold in the U.S. with no large lineup of games. Theres alot of room to charge up sales when MGS4, God of War 3, final fantasy 13 and Socom all hit. Plus there are still more ps2 owners out there than xbox 360 and PS3 owners combined. Those people are still up for grabs. Not to mention people like e-ray who arent to happy with getting shafted by bill gates on a defective product(though i'm used to it myself). Shit is a long way from over, but declare victory and hope you dont see any red rings on your 360 as if they didnt know their systems were defective a long time ago. Thats really shitty on their part and i'm not too big a happy with microsoft for waiting until they sold a certain amount(and a class action lawsuit) to admit they fucked their customers in the ass knowingly just to avoid a dip in sales.


You say dropping the price was inevitable. I say look at history. When a system drops its price, it's not a good thing. Go back and look at the history of every major video game system, when they dropped their price it meant one of two things- their system was winding down and near the end of its life or their system was not doing well.
Really? so when the PS2 dropped its price several times(it was originally 300 dollars) it was super slowly waning? Interesting theory. Idiotic but interesting. look through history, price dropping is inevitable. Believe what you want but all previously "successfully" dominant systems made multiple price drops, not just one when they were waning.


Say what you want, but I'm a big time gamer, I work in a lower elem., and coach at a high school and for me to not know one person that has one in a pretty well off district that has the demographics that you'd look for in a next gen. market- that's bad.
You're also as biased as a George Bush fan psycho Neo republican. Which taints alot of your opinion and special DrTre demographics you've put together to dispute solid facts. \



Say what you want, in the end, you'll see that PS3 was one big disaster. (BTW, used to be a HUGE Sony guy and never once thought about buying a XBox)

1.) You're making a half ass prediction on something that would take atleast 3 years to happen.
2.)I dont care who you were a fan boy of. All you really saying is that u switched your bias. But its bias, so what was it ever worth? Keep telling me what you used to be a fanboy of. Because that'll make you look so even keel rather than a crazy waffle...lol...

Wow Gutz, I've never come acrossed somebody so passionate about a system. Admit it, you bought a PS3 and you refuse to believe that you wasted 600 bones so you're going to go down with the system fighting. Honestly dude, you just sound like you're trying to convince yourself you didn't waste your money.

He didn't waste 600 bones. Starting this September with Heavenly Sword and later with Ratchet and Clank, the PS3 games avalanche will occur. This, along with a possible impending price drop (something tells me we'll see a $399 PS3 before Christmas) will really begin Sony's climb towards the top. The war is far from over, and the PS3 as a system is much better than the 360. The 360's specs are far overmatched and doesn't have nearly as many features.

Say what you want, but Sony is a far, far way from going away. Saying the PS3 was a waste of 600 dollars is plain ignorance when you consider the facts of everything it can do. It's sold plenty of systems (on pace with PS3 launch, I believe), and the great games are still on their way.

I hear Heavenly Sword demo is short, but very sweet. Looks like a game to get this Fall (although I won't have a PS3 on my hands until Christmas time, most likely).

Wow Gutz, I've never come acrossed somebody so passionate about a system.
No, you're referring to yourself. You're an admitted fanboy. Not really in the position to play the "you're sooo passionate" cop out. But based on your lack of class and legit thought, its not surprising.


Admit it, you bought a PS3 and you refuse to believe that you wasted 600 bones so you're going to go down with the system fighting.
What is this? the irony post of the year? I own a ps2, FC twin, and an Xbox(got it from my brother). You on the other hand have been invested in a next gen console. Its your money you're crying about. Its your quick decision you're trying to defend. And its your wild attempts of rationalization thats reflecting the fact that you suck Microsoft dick just to avoid any possible doubt of the system you bought. I give E-Ray credit. He actually is making a decision w/o desperately dissing one system in hopes of believing he made the right choice. BS all you want, but you just spent your time here religiously bashing a system w/o much hard fact defense for such an extreme opinion. I never called the 360 inferior, nor would I. I dont need to in order to make points about why i'm leaning towards getting a ps3 this fall. It seems you're pretty much in need of the PS3 to fail in order to justify your brash fanboy love for 360. Thats kinda pathetic.


Honestly dude, you just sound like you're trying to convince yourself you didn't waste your money.
Again Ironic statements abound from the resident psycho homer. My favorite part is that this reflects how much you're desperately grasping for reasoning rather to dispute unbiased facts I brought to the table that didnt all diss Xbox. In fact The only point I ever made was that their battle with Sony is far far from over. Then fanboy tre goes haywire. [smilie=llama_banan:

He didn't waste 600 bones.
I didnt waste anything. Never bought a PS3 or 360. But I have made an official commitment to after the defect issue came to light(no pun intended) on 360's. Cant invest in something thats defective on a scale that large. Thats practically ridiculous and shitty to your consumers.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/01/ps3-to-receive-tuner-dvr-capabilities-before-march-2008/


PS3 to receive tuner, DVR capabilities before March 2008

It's been rumored before (http://www.engadget.com/2006/02/03/more-playstation-3-info-leaked/), now Sony's marketing manager for Computer Entertainment in New Zealand has apparently, and likely pre-emptively, unveiled Sony's intentions to turn the PS3 into a digital video recorder. Sony's Warwick Light is quoted in an interview with New Zealand's The Press as saying, "We're also hoping next year – about the same time that Freeview launches its terrestrial broadcasting service (expected to be in March) – to release a digital tuner for the PS3, turning it into a programmable TV recorder." Sure, why not, but we're going to need a hell of a lot more than 80GB or 120GB (http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/no-80gb-ps3-for-you-europe-how-about-120gb-instead/) of storage to make that thing useful for HD recordings.

Fantabulous.

I think I'm turning the corner here. I think Jickboy predicted that eventually I'd get all 3, and I think he's going to be right. My cousin brought his PS3 over to my house the other night and we hooked it up to my new TV and watched 300 on blu-ray. It was sick! Couple that with DVR capability, the massive hard drive and the price drop and I'm sold. I just gotta talk the fiancee into the idea.

I think I'm turning the corner here. I think Jickboy predicted that eventually I'd get all 3, and I think he's going to be right. My cousin brought his PS3 over to my house the other night and we hooked it up to my new TV and watched 300 on blu-ray. It was sick! Couple that with DVR capability, the massive hard drive and the price drop and I'm sold. I just gotta talk the fiancee into the idea.

I feel a lot of people will be thinking like you, Mood. Even though the games are still on the way, the PS3, even as it is, is almost too good to pass up.

Gutz, you just called me a fanboy, psycho homer, desperate, pathetic, claimed I suck Microsoft's dick (even though I never touched a XBox), and claimed I have no class even though you've never met me. All over a video game system and all within one post. I'm sorry but when you throw this many personal insults at somebody you don't even know over a video game system, you are a fucking loser. Get a life. Anybody that gets this heated and is willing to throw personal insults at somebody over a freaking video game system needs to look in the mirror and start asking some serious questions.

p.s.-I don't need to justify my purchase because if I found the PS3 to be great, I would just go out and buy that system too. Trust me, I'm not over here rolling pennies.

Gutz, you just called me a fanboy, psycho homer, desperate, pathetic, claimed I suck Microsoft's dick (even though I never touched a XBox),
So Moodini banned you from his when he got it? Interesting. I call bullshyt. But this is the beauty of the internet. you could lie up a storm w/o much available to check you out. But you do have to explain how you were able to play ghost recon.


Just ranked up today booooooy! Level 7 and climbing. I'm starting to put up some sick numbers. Just went 27 kills, 4 deaths playing against a squad of all level 5's and 6's. I'm lookin' for double digit rankings now. No boosting for me. I'm getting a legit rank 10 this month, mark it down!


I was in on the experience with Moodini and I absolutely fell in love with the game and the 360 online experience. I was planning on getting 1 game in two weeks when I pick up my 360, but now it has turned into two. I have to get this game and get online. I had so much fun and there are so many ways to play it.

4 Stars without hesitation! B O U G H T!
So what exactly were you saying? Let me guess you're gonna say "I meant regular xbox" But regular xbox isnt relevant to the convo since we already established that you were homering on PS2 before you switched homer gears to 360 by then is which I stated you had microsoft homerism on full tilt.. [smilie=bigshot.gif]


and claimed I have no class even though you've never met me.
Your responses didnt. If you took as a something deep then theres a slight chance that the only one actually getting emotional is you. You still havent stated much in the facts department. so you waited a whole week to dream up this derail? not good.


I'm sorry but when you throw this many personal insults at somebody you don't even know over a video game system, you are a fucking loser. Get a life.
Glad you've never done that. LOL Again if you take it so personally i'm sorry that you think theres literal credence to you sucking microsoft's dick. Thats kinda metaphor. But if its somehow hit close to home, thats fucked up, because you're taking it a little too deep.


Anybody that gets this heated and is willing to throw personal insults at somebody over a freaking video game system needs to look in the mirror and start asking some serious questions.
I agree 100 percent. Only problem is where did I get heated? ...I'm stating facts and you're making shyt up as you go. I'm giving kudos to 360, you're bashing the PS3. If you see anger in this convo, maybe its your own. If not angry, atleast delusional. Because that never touched an xbox shit was pretty out of wack.



p.s.-I don't need to justify my purchase because if I found the PS3 to be great, I would just go out and buy that system too. Trust me, I'm not over here rolling pennies.
The old "I got enough money to spend with no hesitation, unlike you broke losers Dude!!! Gnarly!!"...Hopefully you can afford psychiatric help then too. Either way Lay off the derail. Come back when you got some numbers and hardcore answers that dont include lies, derails, "everybody i know in la la land has a 360, so it must rock.", and hidden anger you dont do a good job of hiding. Right now i'll gather my lowly pennies together and see if E-ray is willing to go half and half with me on a PS3. :emo kid: [smilie=blaha.gif]

Gutz, you just called me a fanboy, psycho homer, desperate, pathetic, claimed I suck Microsoft's dick (even though I never touched a XBox), and claimed I have no class even though you've never met me. All over a video game system and all within one post. I'm sorry but when you throw this many personal insults at somebody you don't even know over a video game system, you are a fucking loser. Get a life. Anybody that gets this heated and is willing to throw personal insults at somebody over a freaking video game system needs to look in the mirror and start asking some serious questions.

p.s.-I don't need to justify my purchase because if I found the PS3 to be great, I would just go out and buy that system too. Trust me, I'm not over here rolling pennies.

This might be my favorite thread: Reading arguments by "grown" men over toys. Reading how one guy has to beg his "fiance" to buy a new toy. We've come a long way since my day when we used to argue over who really got shot when playing "Cowboys and Indians" with cap guns.

By the way, Tre: Great post!!!

Right now i'll gather my lowly pennies together and see if E-ray is willing to go half and half with me on a PS3.

As long as when we cut it in half we don't break it.[smilie=alpaca.gif]

Gutz, I was going to post your quote and respond but your post took up an entire page. So forgive me but here is my response: Hey Honors Student, I was talking about the original XBox. Glad you took the time to go looking for DocTre 360 quotes all to prove me wrong when I was clearly talking about the original XBox. I would've told ya whether or not I really owned one Sherlock. Damn, homeboy is so into it. He's going through posts searching for a way to prove what video game system I had. Damn dude, chill! LOL!!!!! You told me I sucked Microsoft's dick. My response was, if that is true, why didn't I have an orignal Xbox? When I said, "I didn't touch an Xbox" it was a figure of speech meaning never bought one or thought about it.

Thanks for the props Zip! No joke, when I was in middle school two kids got into a fist fight arguing about whether Super Nintendo or Computer gaming was better. Wow! I'm a die-hard gamer, but can't say I care so much to go off about the topic.

Sincerely,
DrTre11TheBullshitter LMAO! Wow! You solved it Sherlock, I really have one. hahahah

Gutz, I was going to post your quote and respond but your post took up an entire page. So forgive me but here is my response: Hey Honors Student, I was talking about the original XBox.
Which was completely irrelevant to the conversation. You honestly have issues. This is the second time i've explained that. Brilliant! MSU fields the brightest the world has to offer!


Damn, homeboy is so into it. He's going through posts searching for a way to prove what video game system I had. Damn dude, chill! LOL!!!!! You told me I sucked Microsoft's dick. My response was, if that is true, why didn't I have an orignal Xbox? When I said, "I didn't touch an Xbox" it was a figure of speech meaning never bought one or thought about it.
Your response was a lil' more than that. Seemed a lil' offended didnt you Tre. :emo kid: Also you are forever stuck trying to justify this lame "original xbox" thing. lol.. I stated that you swapped your dick sucking from sony ps2 to xbox 360 even before that. You said it yourself. If anything it reflects that once you've bought the system you'll go out of your way to homer out on it. Maybe you dont want to feel you've made too quick a decision with all that money you have to buy everything. Or maybe you're just anal like that to act this way over video game shit. Whatever it is, go play your 360 and give it up.


Thanks for the props Zip! No joke,~no definitely a joke when I was in middle school two kids got into a fist fight arguing about whether Super Nintendo or Computer gaming was better. Wow! I'm a die-hard gamer, but can't say I care so much to go off about the topic.

Which is why you've been in here bitching about the ps3, declaring anyone who doesnt have a 360 or ps3 as too poor to afford it, and blabbing yourself to death about who you know that has a 360 because you're too brainless to come up with any facts to support your beef with the facts i stated a couple pages before you started this derail(or maybe you never took the time to read them). :) Again Spartan Brilliance at its finest!! [smilie=amish.gif] I honestly wonder if you even checked them out. Because they were pretty unbiased. But they weren't all in Microsoft's favor. thus they must be bullshit. [smilie=bigshot.gif]

HowEmbarrassing is the perfect name for you. You continue to go off about a video game system. I absolutely love gaming. However, I don't care enough to come up with page filling posts about the topic. I also don't get so riled up that I feel the need to insult people over a freaking system. Look at your last post, it is seriously pathetic. Love how you throw MSU in there somehow....WTF? Once again, I don't have to justify my purchase or convince myself it was the right choice. If it wasn't the right choice, I'd go get the PS3. IMO the PS3 has failed terribly. My proof as you have asked for is the entire selection of games. When you are hyping R and C as your feature game, you have some serious problems on hand. I just don't see a selection of games that rivals the 360. If that puts your panties in a bunch, sorry. Go ahead and post another novel full of insults over the PS3, I'll be back in a month or so to read it when I'm bored. Pathetic.

So embarrassed wants proof eh? Okay, let me embarrass you. Here are PS3's Top 20 games to date according to gamerankings.com and here are the 360's as well. Sure the PS3 came out later, fair enough. I'll give them that and work it into my assessment. However, it didn't come out yesterday and the 360 and many games in the 90% ranking that came out within months of the system release. On top of that, many of these PS3 games are games that came out MONTHS earlier for the 360. How sad is it when your #1 game is a game that most 360 players finished a year earlier? The 360 as you can see is littered with games receiving 90% or better. They have put their stamp on gaming history with games like Bioshock and Gears of War that are now in the Top 10 rankings of all time any system (gamerankings.com). Okay you can shut the fuck up now Embarrassed.

1. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
93.0%
2. Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2
88.6%
3. Resistance: Fall of Man
87.4%
4. Virtua Fighter 5
87.1%
5. Ninja Gaiden Sigma
86.7%
6. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas
85.9%
7. NBA Street Homecourt
83.9%
8. Warhawk
83.6%
9. Fight Night Round 3
83.5%
10. MotorStorm
82.8%
11. Madden NFL 08
82.4%
12. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07
81.9%
13. The Darkness
81.7%
14. NBA 2K7
81.4%
15. Heavenly Sword
81.3%
16. Call of Duty 3
81.0%
17. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 08
80.8%
18. Virtua Tennis 3
80.4%
19. NHL 2K7
80.1%
20. Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Double Agent

XBox 360
1. BioShock
95.4%
2. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
94.1%
3. Gears of War
93.8%
4. Guitar Hero II
92.2%
5. Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter
90.7%
6. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
90.0%
7. Call of Duty 2
90.0%
8. Forza Motorsport 2
89.9%
9. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas
88.9%
10. Burnout Revenge
88.7%
11. Project Gotham Racing 3
88.4%
12. The Elder Scrolls IV: Shivering Isles
87.7%
13. Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved
87.6%
14. Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2
86.4%
15. Dead or Alive 4
86.1%
16. Bomberman Live
86.0%
17. Fight Night Round 3
85.3%
18. Dead Rising
85.1%
19. NBA 2K7
84.9%
20. Viva Pinata
84.8%

This is not an original opinion, but from what I read from the E3 show (and there were even some gaming shows that had experts saying this) and what was later said to me by two video game purchasers for big retailers here in Spain is that this is the year the PS3 will start to make some seperation in terms of gaming quality from the 360. Aside from all the other numerous setbacks, the first games for the PS3 were not designed to really make full use of the system (Heavenly Sword being the first and most hyped I believe to really be part of the "true" PS3 gen games).

Damn your brain took forever to look and scramble for something you hope to throw at me.

HowEmbarrassing is the perfect name for you.
Yea the sarcasm i live on is well represented in this name. Thanks.[smilie=heatsmiley2:


You continue to go off about a video game system. I absolutely love gaming. However, I don't care enough to come up with page filling posts about the topic.
No you love your 360. Lie to someone who hasn't read your posts. Forget caring, you can't come up with much of anything. Except gamerankings.com opinion. I dared you to trump the facts I originally posted. This stuff you posted is a joke and not even relevant to what I posted now months later. If this were a class, you'd be getting a failure grade for lack of studying.


I also don't get so riled up that I feel the need to insult people over a freaking system.
Says the guy who starts off his post with a poorly attempted and executed insult. That is comedic gold Tre. You need your own tv show. [smilie=blaha.gif] ]\


Look at your last post, it is seriously pathetic. Love how you throw MSU in there somehow....WTF?
Yea, whats your beef with MSU dissing? Ask Moodini, they are punks. :) Seriously are you sure that you're not taking this too........ seriously?


Once again, I don't have to justify my purchase or convince myself it was the right choice.
Damn straight you don't. Doesnt mean you arent doing it right now. You'd be the worst judge of whether you're doing that. Because I doubt that you'd call yourself out on that. Your actions contradict those of a person whose just plain old happy with his system unbiased and well informed. But again its not like you're gonna believe that. I mean you know You, dont You? :mccosky:


If it wasn't the right choice, I'd go get the PS3.
That'd be true if you weren't taking a "bashing" stance on the opposite system looking for a pissing match. Again you act like this is U of M vs MSU.


My proof as you have asked for is the entire selection of games. When you are hyping R and C as your feature game, you have some serious problems on hand. I just don't see a selection of games that rivals the 360.
HUh? If you ask me the selection of good games is thin on both systems. But yea 360 should have more games. they are an easier system to build games for and had a pretty damn good head start much like PS2 to XBOX. Of course unlike PS2 to XBOX that separation has been shrinking.


If that puts your panties in a bunch, sorry.
So that is what you tell yourself to keep your thinking on borderline delusional. Maybe this explains why you tend to only reply andread what you want rather that what I fully said.


Go ahead and post another novel full of insults over the PS3, I'll be back in a month or so to read it when I'm bored. Pathetic.
Dont come back at at all if you please. You can't bullshit anybody with this "higher road" stance you've made up in your head. Nor can you make me mad by calling me mad. You've been reading too many children's books Tre. it doesnt work like that. If you can come up with a response that is actually on point in a month. I'd be surprised. Because this garbage you brought was horrible. I guess you dont care....About how silly your evidence is. Gamerankings.com, the answer to all? Funny. If thisreally isnt a big deal to you, I challenge you to move on right now. not even try to push out enough brain power for a not so clever response. Just take the blue(green pill for you i guess) pill, play your 360 and believe what you want. Nobody's changing your mind. Nobody wants to. It'd just be better if you stfu posting about this when you dont even have anything legit to say outside of "look at gamerankings.com, ps3 sucks".

Can someone ship this to the TerrorDome?

Radical, video game schmack.

alsoididn'treadit

Embarrassed, funny that you think gamerankings.com Top 20 is horrible proof that a system is doing well or sucks. I base my system opinion on how much fun I have playing the GAMES. What the hell do you base it on? Potential? So called power? WTF? hahahaha Listen, if I'm going to make a judgement about a system, I'm going to go out play their best and make a decision. Sorry if you don't agree with it. Take a deep breath, it'll be okay. The vaunted Heavenly Sword came in at a shocking 80%. Wow! This is what we were waiting for? I gave you the top games out for both systems and the 360 is littered with great games in the 90 percentile. The PS3 is having a hard time finding 1 original. I like to get a system that comes out at a fair price, PS failed with this. I like to get some great games for it, PS3 has failed at this (so far). I don't know what else there is to say. Maybe the PS3 will turn it on this year and put out some sweet stuff. Maybe I'll get it in a year or two if they make a comeback. But until this point, they don't deserve my buck. Sorry if I didn't get back to your points that you made months ago, but I drop in when I can. Keep getting pissed, it's funny. What a fucking dork.

The 360 is just bringing heat as far as great games are concerned. It's just great game after great game every couple of months. Wondering how the competition is feeling...?

The wave of PS3 titles has yet to hit, and a price drop/40GB model is coming. Warhawk is thee multiplayer game for PS3, Heavenly Sword is extremely good (but too short), Folklore is a good to great RPG, and Uncharted and Ratchet & Clank will drop before the holidays (possibly UT3).

Not to mention, MGS4 and plenty of others are coming starting Q1 2008. Time is almost here. I don't know whether it will take over the 360 as far as sales are concerned, but I do know it will give a run for its money.

The wave of PS3 titles has yet to hit, and a price drop/40GB model is coming. Warhawk is thee multiplayer game for PS3, Heavenly Sword is extremely good (but too short), Folklore is a good to great RPG, and Uncharted and Ratchet & Clank will drop before the holidays (possibly UT3).

Not to mention, MGS4 and plenty of others are coming starting Q1 2008. Time is almost here. I don't know whether it will take over the 360 as far as sales are concerned, but I do know it will give a run for its money.

Heavenly Sword was good? I haven't played it, but it got average reviews. Not that I always agree with them. Maybe it's my taste but nothing jumps out in those titles to me except for MGS4. Ratchet and Clank is far from my style. What is Uncharted all about?

If Heavenly Sword were longer, it probably would have gotten 9's across the board. The fact that it was short is pretty much its only big flaw.

Ratchet and Clank, well, yeah like you said, that's your taste. Thing is, it looks as good in gameplay as early/mid life Pixar movies, which is insane. If you check out the videos, you will see there is an insane amount of things going on and the levels are massive. Looks really good.

Uncharted... It's not easy to explain from my average knowledge about it, but here is the skinny from Gamespot: http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/uncharteddrakesfortune/news.html?sid=6179124

If your style is more of the FPS type, then there are some great ones coming in 2008 throughout the year: UT3, Haze, and Killzone 2 are all shaping up to be stellar, it appears.

Tre you mentioned Bioshock. I have it for PC and love it. I'm not far and haven't played it lately because I've been busy but hopefully tonight I'll get back on it. So far a solid 9.

Yes, Bioshock is without a doubt one of the best games I've ever played. I'd say 9.4.

Tre you mentioned Bioshock. I have it for PC and love it. I'm not far and haven't played it lately because I've been busy but hopefully tonight I'll get back on it. So far a solid 9.

Just got done putting about 2 hours into it tonight. I absolutely love it! Just unbelievable graphics and the gameplay is a blast too. Just wish it wasn't so hard to kill those Big Daddys.

Two games that are flying a little under the radar for PS3:

Afrika and LittleBigPlanet. Definitely could be huge for the console.

Was going to wait until Christmas, but i went ahead and grabbed a PS3 yesterday. Only bought Madden 2008 for it though. Will probably grab Heavenly Sword this week.

I'd rent Heavenly Sword if I were you...

I still don't have a ps3, but it's only a matter of time/money. I must play the new Ratchet.

I'd rent Heavenly Sword if I were you...

I still don't have a ps3, but it's only a matter of time/money. I must play the new Ratchet.
50 dollar difference between it and 360. So money wise not as big a gap these days. and if you got a ps2, you should get the 400 dollar 40 gig one(no ps2 support on that one, if you got a ps2, dont need it)

I know. I just don't have the money to blow right now.

I know. I just don't have the money to blow right now.
yea putting the investment in a 360 typically makes it a tougher option to defect. Its not like the 360 isnt decent in its own right. If i were sony i'd do a buy back campaign. Give people like 2/3 store credit if they bring back a 360 and buy a ps3 in the same day.

I wouldn't "defect," I'd just buy a PS3. I want both systems.

Madden 2008 is just as bad for ps3 as it is for 360. Bad pick up. Redeemed it by trading it in to a small game dealer who gave me resistence, COD4, and oblivion in exchange for madden 2008 and 30 dollars.

COD3-just as fun as it was on 360, but the tilt control addition is pretty cool.

oblivion-still on the fence about it. didnt care for it when i played it on 360(not a popular opinion i'm sure). Trying to play it through further this time.

Resistance-still pretty damn fun. Not a halo level FPS, but still a great game for that genre.

Overall i need to pick up Heavenly Sword and Ninja Gaiden sigma next week. Also i may keep an eye out for COD4 and Kane&Lynch maybe.

Also anybody played stranglehold? Heard alot of mixed reviews regarding it.

I had fun with the demo. I'd say rental.

Assassin's Creed is looking like it might turn out to be good, as well as Uncharted (which looks to be really good). I'll be renting Assassin's Creed for 360 to be sure.

Oblivion is growing on me now that i've gotten some weapons worth a damn. There are things i can find entertaining, such as pickpocketing someone and a retard with a tiger face trying to mug me with a knife on the road. [smilie=heatsmiley2:

PS3 Price Cuts Double PS3 Sales
by Billy Berghammer
POSTED: 11/15/2007 12:00 PM

ony CEO Howard Stringer told the Associated Press yesterday that due to the launch of the 40GB PS3 model launch and the price cut, the sales for the PS3 platform have doubled. The company revealed that it has sold more than 100,000 PS3 consoles in the week ending November 11th. Prior to that the company noted on average they had been selling 30,000 to 40,000 consoles up until the price drop and the 40GB model was released.

"Obviously, we've taken so much heat over the year on PS3," Stringer said from his office in Tokyo. "Finally, the turning point has been passed."

Stringer noted that Sony could benefit with the fact that Nintendo will have a hard time meeting demand since the Wii will be hard to find in stores this holiday.

"It's a little fortuitous that the Wii is running out of hardware,” said Stringer.

But the big question is whether or not Sony's holiday lineup of Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, and Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction can stand up against Microsoft's slew of exclusives such as Mass Effect and Halo 3, and Nintendo's fan-favorite Super Mario Galaxy.
http://gameinformer.com/News/Story/200711/N07.1115.1158.40829.htm
So far Uncharted alone is holding its own for me.

PS3 Tops Wii In Sales For First Time Ever
Posted by Victor Dangelo | Nov 30, 2007 09:43

For the first time in history, the Sony PS3 outsold the Nintendo Wii in Japan for the complete month of November.

This is huge news for Sony which has been seeing rising PS3 sales due to the introduction of the 40GB PS3 as well as price cuts to bring it down to a more mass-market price point.

The Sony PS3 sold 183,217 units for the month of November which puts it above the Nintendo Wii which sold 159,193 units.

These figures are according to Enterbrain and are for the four week period ending November 25th.

Sony has had trouble selling the PS3 around the world due to its high price point but has enjoyed great success since dropping the price back in November.

If Sony can keep this up through December as well they could position themselves to make a huge comeback run in the next-gen console race with the PS3.


http://www.ps3center.net/story-1379-PS3-Tops-Wii-In-Sales-For-First-Time-Ever.html

Whether it translates to the american market at this rate is in questiobn. But its definitely gaining steam in in america and more so in Japan.

Also the wii running out of Hardware during the holidays is opening up room for PS3 to get some extra sales imo. Which is funny because the Wii is only running out because of lack of supply for the great demand they are getting for Wii.



PlayStation 3 top game system in Japan

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TOKYO, Dec. 1 (UPI) -- Sony's PlayStation 3 has now surpassed the Nintendo Wii in total sales in Japan, thanks primarily to a recent series of marketing moves by Sony officials.

Thanks to Sony's decision to reduce the cost of its 80GB PlayStation 3 to $499 and pricing its new 40GB gaming system at $400, the Japanese company's sales have finally exceeded those enjoyed by Nintendo in recent weeks, eFluxMedia reported Saturday.

During the last four weeks, Nintendo sold 159,193 Nintendo Wii units in the company's native land. Recent figures show during that same time period, Sony sold 183,217 of its PlayStation 3 systems under the new price tags.

Sony Computer Entertainment America reported similar success in the United States, where PlayStation 3 hardware sales have increased by nearly 300 percent.

With the holiday season only getting started, eFluxMedia said those rising figures will only continue to rise dramatically, representing a likely end to Sony's sales problems in recent years.

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http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Business/2007/12/01/playstation_3_top_game_system_in_japan/3830/

Oblivion never really grew on me. I got it for 360, played it a bit, and now it just sits on my shelf never to be used again.

I use my PS3 as a Bluray player, that's about it. If it didn't played Bluray, it'd be a $600 paperweight. I should have waited for it to drop below $400.

This year is going to be great for the PS3 overall. Early on, the lineup's pretty weak, but when Spring and Summer come, damn...

This year is going to be great for the PS3 overall. Early on, the lineup's pretty weak, but when Spring and Summer come, damn...Maybe I'm lost here, but I'm looking at the list and nothing is making me say "damn...". Care to enlighten me?

Maybe I'm lost here, but I'm looking at the list and nothing is making me say "damn...". Care to enlighten me?
whats the grudge about? I understand you dont care for games with a plot. I dont get the almost bitter knock on PS3 games. Kinda goes to preference, so I doubt anyone can enlighten you.

Both systems carry alot of the same games at this point. The exclusives are in favor of 360 if you love FPS, in favor of ps3 if you favor variety and presentation. Either way here's the list
http://ps3.ign.com/index/release.html

Here's the 360 release list.
http://xbox360.ign.com/index/release.html


They speak for themselves. No need for fights or video game enlightenment that leads to useless feuds like the old days in here. [smilie=heatsmiley2:

whats the grudge about? I understand you dont care for games with a plot. I dont get the almost bitter knock on PS3 games. Kinda goes to preference, so I doubt anyone can enlighten you.

Both systems carry alot of the same games at this point. The exclusives are in favor of 360 if you love FPS, in favor of ps3 if you favor variety and presentation. Either way here's the list
http://ps3.ign.com/index/release.html

Here's the 360 release list.
http://xbox360.ign.com/index/release.html


They speak for themselves. No need for fights or video game enlightenment that leads to useless feuds like the old days in here. [smilie=heatsmiley2:I asked for what games are going to be blowing my mind come Spring and Summer, not the exact list I was already looking at. But thanks for still being useless gutz. I have no "grudge", I just want my $600 worth.

Unlike most of you knob gobblers I actually own all 3 systems. I don't have a bias for anything other then fun.

Well, a few games have been pushed back to Fall. But anyhow....

MGS4
LittleBigPlanet
Final Fantasy XIII
Killzone 2
GT5
SOCOM (I think)

Just off the top of my head. On the 360 side, I know the only game I am looking forward to in 2008 is Ninja Gaiden 2. Thereafter, I only care about Mass Effect and Bioshock series.

I asked for what games are going to be blowing my mind come Spring and Summer, not the exact list I was already looking at. But thanks for still being useless gutz. I have no "grudge", I just want my $600 worth.

Unlike most of you knob gobblers I actually own all 3 systems. I don't have a bias for anything other then fun.
You asked for someone's subjective list when you haven't been all that satisfied with the library so far. If you've already seen the lists, then why ask for what games you'd want? You already formed an opinion about that, a well informed one at that.

No knock on your idea fun at all, sorry you saw me as saying as much. Either way didnt think you'd take the post so negatively or as a personal shot in the balls. I only posed a fair question. If you've developed your 3 system well informed unbiased position, then what exactly can anybody tell a 3 system owning confident cat such as yourself to enlighten you on what you've already read by your own account?

If thats an unfair question then never mind honestly.


I have no "grudge", I just want my $600 worth.
Well i gotta say I didnt think it or any system was worth $600, and a much bigger gap in money than the 50 dollar difference these days between ps3 and 360. Apologies for the grudge assumption though. Can't say you'll ever feel right about spend $600 on a first generation PS3 if that's what you're looking for. My perspective is someone who spent 400 on a 40 gb ps3 since i already had a ps2. Can't say i'm mad about the investment. Can't say i'm too worried about the upcoming lineup. Whether it be unknown games such as Haze, David Jaffe's(god of war, twisted metal) 3 titles he has his team working on, and Little Big Planet, or proven series such as MGS4, God of War 3, Socom 4(socom confrontation coming first i think), and FF13. I think there will be plenty to choose from. I also believe 360 will have plenty on their plate too(new splinter cell going head up with mgs4, too human possibly proving early skeptics wrong along with plenty of FPS games in between).

Either way i hope you do find some games to your liking on PS3 to atleast keep it from getting too much dust as your paper weight. :)

The truth...now you all need to shut up:

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