I usually hate chain letters, but I got this one from a friend recently. It's a pretty interesting analogy on the subject (a little sensational, but interesting none the less):


Let's say I break into your house

A lady wrote the best letter in the Editorials in ages!! It explains things better than all the baloney you hear on TV.

Her point:

Recently large demonstrations have taken place across the country protesting the fact that Congress is finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration.

Certain people are angry that the US might protect its own borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and, once here, to stay indefinitely.

Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind these protests :

Let's say I break into your house.

Let's say that when you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave.

But I say, "I've made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors. I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-working and honest (except for when I broke into your house)".

According to the protesters:
· You are Required to let me stay in your house
· You are Required to add me to your family's insurance plan
· You are Required to Educate my kids
· You are Required to Provide other benefits to me and to my family (my husband will do all of your yard work because he is also hard-working and honest, except for that breaking in part).

If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my RIGHT to be there.
It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do, and I'm just trying to better myself.

I'm a hard-working and honest, person, except for well, you know, I did break into your house.

And what a deal it is for me!!!

I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of cold, uncaring, selfish, prejudiced, and bigoted behavior. Oh yeah, I DEMAND that you to learn MY LANGUAGE!!! so you can communicate with me.

The analogy falls apart when someone from your house invites the immigrant to jump through the window to paint the house because they're cheap and you don't want to pain the house, and the lock is too much of a pain for both of them to deal with.

That's the most self righteous right wing piece of shit opinion I've ever seen on the subject.
I'm not going to tell someone who has little or no choices in the world that they have to stay somewhere and be happy making $4.00 per year and work 16 hour days to get it to stay where they are.
No one told that to the Irish, German, Italian, and whatever other immigrants back at the turn of the century.
Alot of immigrants (illegal or legal), take jobs no one wants, start businesses, and are generally just like the rest of us: trying to make it in a tough world.
And the language thing, that's just stupid. Byt the second or third generation, they're speaking almost exclusively English, and forgotten their native tongue.
Of course, if we would have stopped illegal immigration years ago, Rush Limbaugh would have had to go out and buy his OWN drugs.

I hate the phrase jobs that nobody wants. That's total BS. You can't tell me that no american would do those jobs. The reason why they don't do the job is because the employers hire cheaper illegal labor. If that pool of workers were not there, they'd be force to pay the appropriate wage and they wouldn't be jobs american's won't do. What happened before the huge influx of mexicans? People did those jobs then. Look at coal miners. Heck, watch Dirty Jobs. People do some really shitty stuff out there. I bet there are a lot of hungry people willing to do those jobs that people "won't do". We'll never find out though because the illegals are willing to do those jobs for less.

I have no problem with immagration (%99 of us come from immagrant families), just the illegal ones. I have a problem with paying my taxes to support people here illegally.

My wife's best friend is married to an illegal immigrant. Its really a trip to see up close what they can and can't do being illegal. It's a rough life.

You make a good point on the phrase "jobs that nobody wants". That probably is an unfair statement, because there is never going to be a shortage of freckly faced teenagers and such to work in the restaurant business, etc.
And you are right: Construction companies like to pay the cheaper labor wages that the (mostly) Mexican workers get.
The blame should go more toward the business owners who employ illegals, don't pay benefits and all the rest.
But it seems funny then, that the people who should get most of the blame for the problem are people you would generally classify as "Conservative" (and, the people seemingly bitching the loudest about the problem): Corporations, business owners, rich elites who staff their mansions with illegals.
BUT, the letter equating it to breaking and entering is a complete fucking moronic angle, if for no other reason then the FRONT door to the house may be locked, but most definitely someone has "accidentally" left the back door open.

didn't know this would light a fire under you. The point I got from this is that America is our home. We pay for it (with taxes) just like we pay for our home. Why should we let people be in our home illegally and allow them to undermine our system? If they want to live here, live here on the terms set forth by the home (America).

And I agree with where a lot of the blame resides.

I also admit I know very little about the process of becoming legal and whether or not people are getting the shaft there at attempting to become a model citizen.

Chris:
You hate the "jobs nobody wants" angle, and I HATE the tax angle.
I can't or wouldn't want to, go into the tax angle: Our tax dollars are going to support a war in Iraq that is a farce. The examples of tax dollar waste and corruption are far too vast to comprehend.
How can you have a disagreement with tax dollars that actually go to help people? If you hate tax waste there, you'd probably have to speak out against most of what our tax dollars go to.

well, i hate that particular war too, and I've never made that a secret. it's not a question of the war helping people, it's the fact that our president made up a BS reason to go there in the first place and thinks it's ok to continue the lie. It's probably a good thing that I don't know where a lot of our taxes go. I might have a melt down.

I'm going to tread lightly here, Chris.
I think there is some "groupthink" hypocrisy attached to those statements about "undermining our system", or "it's our home".
The Earth is not "our home", as it were, for us to put up fences around certain parts and keep people out (I mean countries, not back yards).
Where there is money, food, and shelter, people are going to go. Where there is total corruption, total abuse, massive disrespect for human life, and abominable living conditions, people will leave. And they are entitled to do so.
Who are we to sit here, in this land full of plenty, and plenty of waste, and tell starving, education deprived, abused, war torn, and hopeless souls that THIS part of the world, this land, which is mostly empty, but full of opportunities that they otherwise would not ever have (opportunities such as survival), is off limits, unless they get in some line, fill out some paperwork, and wait about 10 years till they can get here.
In the meantime, the people who SHOULD be the stewards of THIS land trash thier lives and their opportunites, and surrender their power to make a difference here.

It's a great point, and one I can't really answer. I agree it sucks to have people trying to become citezens tied up in paperwork for years. It also sucks to have americans working hard for their dollar and paying taxes while illegals are not paying those same taxes. Just because one injustice is happening doesn't mean another should as well. I'm all for helping our our fellow humans, but you simply cannot help them all. It's impossible to let EVERY single person into our country. I don't know what the solution is. I just know that two wrongs don't make a right, and tax free illegal workers is definately a wrong as well.

Well, yes. I would agree that tax free illegals would be a problem. But if they are on a payroll, then theorettically they are paying taxes. They pay Social Security (which, by the way, they'll probably never collect, being illegal), and they pay the various income taxes as well.
Also, the fact is that not ALL of them will come here. People, for the most part, don't see a way out, and for the most part, don't want to leave their home.
Again, a point I've made before: The ruling class of this country is super hyocrittical. They establish the "Demon Du Jour", and set various factions of the commoners against each other, and we buy it. In the meantime, they subvert and break and modify every rule they expect us to follow.
We are simply being directed to look at illegal immigration as the latest thing that will ruin our country. In the past, it has been "Welfare Queens", Unions, artists, teachers, liberals, the poor, drug addicts, gangs, porn, affirmative action, and on and on. And we buy it.

Other things to consider:

- Like children, legal -and- illegal immigrants can't vote but sometimes pay some taxes somewhere along the line and are counted as people for purposes of representation, per the Constitution (part of when they stopped counting slaves as 3/5ths of a person). Those 10-20 million illegals account for 5% representation in government, and several extra congressional reps the Californias and Texases have that we don't.

- That lock on the door is funny. It reads:

Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
but doesn't let you in. We had an open border with Mexico until the 1920s. We happily deported Mexicans in the 1930s during the Depression, but we rushed to let them in during WW II in the 1940s when we needed labor. The 1950s exported illegals, but they were let in by the bushel in the 1960s.

- When your big neighborhood takes a gigantic piss in their little neighborhood and that's what's prompting them to come your way, how should you feel? Southern Mexico was shafted by NAFTA, the northern areas that benefitted from NAFTA are increasingly being phased out for China, and NAFTA hasn't done jack to increase wages or standard of living in Mexico to relieve the pressures that lead them to come over here (which was key to why some people actually bought into NAFTA in the first place).

Moxie:
Let your wisdom shine on, Brother.

My wife's best friend is married to an illegal immigrant. Its really a trip to see up close what they can and can't do being illegal. It's a rough life.

I'm married to a legal immigrant and let me tell you that we had to jump through some serious hoops and spend all kinds of money in order to get my wife over here legally (she's Canadian).

It's like the gov't makes it harder on those of us who do things by the book than the people who just run over the border.

There's a good answer to the question: By the time alot of people get through the legal process, they'd be dead.

I'm married to a legal immigrant and let me tell you that we had to jump through some serious hoops and spend all kinds of money in order to get my wife over here legally (she's Canadian).

It's like the gov't makes it harder on those of us who do things by the book than the people who just run over the border.

My sister had similair problems. She married a Canadian and eventually moved to Canada but they gave him hell when he tried to come over here all the time to stay with her at my Dad's when she just had their first kid. He went so far as trying to drive all the way to Sault St Marie and back down to try and visit with her for a week but they denied him because they hade his license plate on file from Windsor/Detroit. To do it legally and quickly, he would of had to spend thousands with lawyers which he didn't have.

this is one of those subjects i dont know enough about, and almost never trust any source to inform me on the situation, since it seems almost everyone is extremely biased on the situation.

i dont care for the original post's analogy. too sensationalist. and it over simplifies. anyone consider the absurdity of deciding all illigals most go? from a logistics standpoint, its impossible.

but i agree with chris on the 'work we dont want to do' angle. the first time i heard that, it came out of the pres's mouth, and my blood boiled. with companies parading out of michigan (sayanara comerica!) that line is bullshit to me. and it also ignores the whole basics of economics and wage deflation--funny how its always the little guy who's asked to carry the burden while the have's win yet again... i probably should stop here before i start bitching about globalization.

anyway, i agree with zip on the human rights standpoint, but im wary about how this affects me personally. and damnit, sometimes we all have to sit back, look at the situation, and determine how it affects b-diddy.

b-diddy, you are damn straight it's time to consider how it affects you.
I'm headed out for beers with my buddy Paul the Plumber, and we're going to give this subject serious consideration.
If we don't reach a decision by two A.M. Detroit time, head straight to a Western Union station and await instructions.

We had an open border with Mexico until the 1920s. We happily deported Mexicans in the 1930s during the Depression, but we rushed to let them in during WW II in the 1940s when we needed labor. The 1950s exported illegals, but they were let in by the bushel in the 1960s.

- When your big neighborhood takes a gigantic piss in their little neighborhood and that's what's prompting them to come your way, how should you feel? Southern Mexico was shafted by NAFTA, the northern areas that benefitted from NAFTA are increasingly being phased out for China, and NAFTA hasn't done jack to increase wages or standard of living in Mexico to relieve the pressures that lead them to come over here (which was key to why some people actually bought into NAFTA in the first place).
Holy shit... am I actually AGREEING with Mxy?

Yeshsir. In the early parts of last century, California had an open border. Obviously, the 1920's are nothing closely resembling 2007, but back then workers would migrate each week up north, work the farms, get paid, then cross back into Mexico to reunite with their family. When they needed money again, back up, do the work, get paid, back down.

The much larger issue isn't illegal immigration, but WHY they illegally migrate in the first place. NAFTA (as mentioned) is one obvious reason. The other is also pretty obvious, as well -- most of Mexico is a shithole, and Mexican authorities aren't doing a a damn thing about it. Sure, some factories have surfaced along the US-Mexico border -- quite a few, actually, but it's not enough to withstand the crime and desperation plaguing much of the country.

When you live in a town where there is next to no hope of economic growth, what the Hell are you supposed to do? If you live in Michigan, you move to Wisconsin. When you live in Mexico, you move to us.

Also, it's interesting to note: At the turn of the century, how many Europeans illegally migrated to the U.S.?

From Wikipedia:


New immigration was a term from the late 1880s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1880s) that came from the influx of immigrants from southern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Europe) and eastern Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Europe) (areas that previously didn't have large numbers of immigrants) into the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States). This raised the issue of whether the U.S. was still a "melting pot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melting_pot)," or if it had just become a "dumping ground," and many Americans subsequently became unhappy with this development. Immigrants were very useful, for example they expanded the economy by opening new bakeries in the United States.


Americans’ preference of old immigration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Immigrants) rather than new immigration reflected a sudden rise in conservatism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism). Immigration, although always being a part of American culture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_the_United_States), swelled during the 19th century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/19th_century), coinciding with the rise of urban America. Before the “flood” which occurred in the 1870s was a period called “old” immigration. Old immigrants were mostly from Western Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Europe), especially Britain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britain), Germany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany), Ireland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland) and Scandinavia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia). Since they had Anglo-Saxon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Saxon) and Protestant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism) backgrounds, they were quickly incorporated into American society, welcomed into the “asylum of liberty” . However, beginning in 1870, “new” immigration began, with large amounts of people arriving from Eastern and southern Europe as well as Asia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia), Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia), Italy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy), and Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan). Not only were these peoples’ language and culture less like that of America; They looked different. They were predominantly Jewish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew) and Catholic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic), which sparked tensions. However, the epitome was the unfortunate circumstances that the new immigrants arrived in.



They came in the new urban America, with disease, overcrowding, and crime all major problems. As a result, tensions became downright hostile, with a lot of Americans becoming anti-immigrant, fearing the customs, religion, and poverty of the new immigrants, considering them less desirable than old immigrants. In reality, this perceived difference did not exist; the new immigrants although looking different brought the same sort of values as old ones did. Statistically, they did not commit any more crime or contribute to any more of the misfortunes as anyone else did.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States#Immigration_1850_ to_1930

Interesting how history repeats itself....

Every other fucking country in the world has border control policies, but when we do it we're the bad guys. Fuck that shit. I'd love to see illegal aliens sneak into Holland and not bother to learn Dutch, and insist that they get medicare and have legal citizens pay for their public services. Horseshit. There are lots of countries in the world that must suck to live in, but the older I get and the more I see the way our system gets abused by illegal immigrants and all hardships it causes the rest of us, the more and more I am FOR a strict border policy. Just wait until one of your loved ones who can't afford insurance has a medical emergency and can't qualify for medicare because they don't have kids (should be rewarded for that), and last name doesn't end in -ez. Meanwhile, that person is paying taxes that go towards the medicare system that allows illegals to use it. And for those of you who DON'T live in LA, you have no idea just how fucking bad the situation of illegal immigration really is.

Fix Mexico for fuck's sake.

Fix Mexico for fuck's sake.

Sorry. All the money went to Iraq.

Call back again tommorow.

Every other fucking country in the world has border control policies, but when we do it we're the bad guys. Fuck that shit. I'd love to see illegal aliens sneak into Holland and not bother to learn Dutch,
<laughs> The Netherlands is perhaps the worst example you could've chosen.

~90% of Dutch know English, because much media there is primarily in English. A buddy of mine worked in the Netherlands for years and never learned more than a few hundred words of Dutch because so much signage is in English and most would respond in English upon hearing his (British-accented attempt at) Dutch. And, the Dutch just kicked out the lady who had been quite a hard-ass on immigration (elected in the wake of Islamic extremism) for being too much of a hard-ass.

A border control policy that doesn't account for our proven desire to suck in immigrants is about as effective a security mechanism as a firewall that does nothing about content you choose to suck in via a web browser.


Just wait until one of your loved ones who can't afford insurance has a medical emergency and can't qualify for medicare because they don't have kids (should be rewarded for that). Meanwhile, that person is paying taxes that go towards the medicare system that allows illegals to use it.
First off, the healthcare system in the U.S. is badly inefficient. We pay double what the rest of the world does for every person in the country (whether they pay insurance or not), and have less to show for it. It's so badly fucked up that even if you could lock out all illegal immigrants (not easy when they have political representation), it still wouldn't make a big difference. Healthcare's more of a business than a social service, and priced to reflect that.

NoQuarter hits a nail on the head by mentioning babies, though. The Americans who came off the boat awhile ago procreate less, while old people live longer. Thus the ratio of current generation to old shrinks, which is bad because the current generation pays for the old. The only way there'll be a current generation cushioning our retirement, serving in our armed forces, etc. is through immigration and descendants of recent immigrants.

So, from a public welfare perspective, is that illegal immigrant with their (often born in the U.S.) baby worth subsidizing? Or, do we need more population control, hoping the quality of life we provide to a relative few offsets huge population countries who can't capitalize as much on their numbers due to lack of social services? What's the right size for the United States? Fuck if I know!

"Fix Mexico for fuck's sake"
Um, American corporations (who rake the American taxpayer over the coals, by the way in the form of corporate welfare, not paying their own taxes, ect) ARE fixing Mexico right up in just the way they like it.

Mxy and Goshboots: luck is on your side. It seems that NoQuarter is only a shell of his former self. The old NQ would've torn into each of you like a red hot katana searing, fusing, then ripping the flesh off your body as it carves through your torso. Nevermind whether or not you're right: that's nit-picking and beside the point. What's important is the fight, and on that end you'd be slurping your wounds like a thirsty cat to milk.

I suppose his Wii is more important than burying both of you alive. So, congrats.

You may continue.:mccosky:

I care not to debate much on this as it is like debating abortion... everyone is set in their ways and youre not going to change anything. I will however, contribute my simple opinion. I have no problem with legal immigration, it is what our country is founded on once the USA was established and does help to encourage our cultural growth. I do hate illegal immigration though, and especially the policy that someone can hop the border, squirt a baby out, and that baby is a US citizen. Just fix the borders and let people come in legally and learn English (American). I dont even understand why that is an issue.

They DO learn English goddammit!
What the fuck are they supposed to do, learn it in two weeks? Learn it and THEn come here? Who the fuck is gonna teach it to them?
The fucking Germans didn't know English when they came here!
The fucking Italians didn't know English when they came here!
Their kids learned it and spoke two languages, native at home and English during the rest of the time. Why is that so fucking hard to understand?
How about the Irish? They didn't speak English, they spoke Irish! They're all running around, sounding like little leprechaun faggots, wearing gay ass green outfits, and chasing after their lucky charms, and then they start going around starting riots, killing people, and they take over a whole city (Boston) and turn it into a shit hole loaded with rats!
And then they turn into the most self absorbed, sappy baseball fans the world has ever seen. Fucking Irish. Now everyone in the country has to "celebrate" some guy who allegedly played a fukcing flute and led the snakes out of Ireland. Who the fuck belives that?

There seems to be a lot of swearing in this thread.

You'd think that would be enough to make me want to read some of the posts.

What a conundrum.

Well, then, how do you know that there is alot of swearing?
Do you have some super power that allows you to view swear words only? Some sort of Swear-dar?

http://wtfdetroit.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8732&highlight=fuck+shit

I guess there isn't that much after all, I don't feel like I'm missing as much now.

I feel a lot better, thanks Zip!

Just trying to do my part to help you, with your mighty power of Swear-dar, fight for truth, justice, and the American Way!

I care not to debate much on this as it is like debating abortion... everyone is set in their ways and youre not going to change anything. I will however, contribute my simple opinion.
FWIW, I'm not so much "debating" as "questioning assumptions". I think immigration and, fundamentally, the right-sizing of the United States is a complex problem. Folks who try to simplify it just aren't doing it justice. Talking about immigration without population planning is like talking about year-to-year budget deficits without bringing total debt to the table.


I have no problem with legal immigration, it is what our country is founded on once the USA was established and does help to encourage our cultural growth.
"Illegal immigration" is a relatively new concept. Through the Civil War, you largely just had immigrants and their kin -- Western European white ones who came here of their own volition (or at least, were pushed out of their native countries), and the black ones who didn't (but were legal and enshrined in the Constitution as 3/5ths of a person). Those that crossed the border mostly worked seasonal jobs and went back home. Legal immigration was largely a matter of saying "hey, I'm here", and largely stopped after the War of 1812.

Strong illegal immigration law in the U.S. starts with the Chinese. Without ubiquitous rail, China was as close to the west coast as the east coast was. In the wake of the Gold Rush and badness in in their own country, they came over legally (as did a number of other ethnicities). The Chinese mined gold, built railroads, inspired David Carradine's Kung Fu, did laundry and many other shit jobs that white folks (most thinking they were racially superior) didn't want to do. During post-Civil War depression, an Irish-American immigrant politician who lost money investing against the Chinese blamed our collective woes on the Yellow Peril. Indeed, a lot of later waves of immigrants were cast as "at least they're better than the Chinese". The Supreme Court decided that the Chinese were to be treated as badly as native Americans. And around this time, the Chinese Exclusion Act gets passed.

Illegal immigration law doesn't get much prettier from there. Lots of people crying out what they don't want, without much of a plan of what they really do want, and everyone from the Jews to the Japanese get fucked over. Our national take on Mexico and South America has been schizophrenic. We slap them with one hand and encourage them to sneak over on the other. We have a Constitutional infrastructure where it never makes sense to turn folks away from their political boundaries, even when it may makes all kinds of practical sense to do so.


I do hate illegal immigration though, and especially the policy that someone can hop the border, squirt a baby out, and that baby is a US citizen. Just fix the borders and let people come in legally and learn English (American). I dont even understand why that is an issue.
BTW, it's not just "policy", it's the 14th Amendment, codifying British common law. Alas, we don't have a king who can extend or remove citizenship like the Brits did, but we're working on it. <sigh>

I don't get the language battle. Everyone worries about English losing out somehow, with kids needing to speak Spanish or Chinese to survive. But, English is winning out as the worldwide language of business, thanks to the Internet, all the media we export, British colonization, etc. Within a couple generations, most immigrants will end up speaking Spanish or whatever as badly as J-Lo or Christina Aguilera.

Unxle Mxy is a re-poster, basically copying my post...

...which ripped off Wikipedia...

...which was written by some hack posing as a professor.


Which makes Uncle Mxy a hack. Phoenetic thinking is my four-tay.[smilie=blaha.gif]

I don't mind admitting to being a hack, or giving credit to where credit is due. But most of what I wrote wasn't cribbed from Wikipedia, or anywhere online for that matter. Library readings and random stuff bouncing around in my head are the bulk of it. The bit I recall clearly going to Wikipedia for was information about the dude who passed the Chinese Exclusion Act, because I couldn't remember if he was otherwise prominent:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Kearney

FWIW, looking at the changelogs for your referenced Wikipedia article, it appears that most of the heavy lifting to establish the overall framework in Wikipedia was performed within another article by a seemingly non-professor Wikipedia weenie in Michigan (Rmhermen), along with some help by a chick in California (Jengod), then merged into the article you cite. I'm sure some professorly sorts have chimed in afterwards. There's been ~1500 edits just in the main article. But, it didn't start out evolution that way. Here's a broad outline, fill it in.

Yes, the fact that I typed the above paragraph scares me. My Wikipedia-sense has been tingling lately, owing to a recent news story that was abused/spin-doctored in Wikipedia that I flagged folks on.

Yes, the fact that I typed the above paragraph scares me. My Wikipedia-sense has been tingling lately, owing to a recent news story that was abused/spin-doctored in Wikipedia that I flagged folks on.

You helped catch that guy?

I cleared up a misconception for someone who'd been one of the targets of a public lawsuit that (briefly) made national news. I identified a little Wikipedia activity that, as part of their job, they should monitor. It didn't involve any illegal immigration... more like illegal emigration, with a gazillion twists to it.

I don't mind admitting to being a hack, or giving credit to where credit is due. But most of what I wrote wasn't cribbed from Wikipedia, or anywhere online for that matter. Library readings and random stuff bouncing around in my head are the bulk of it.

Considering the volumous amount of writing you've been dropping on us lately, thar sure is a lot of stuff bouncin' 'round in that head of yers. Does it hurt?

Hey, an idea: Create a thread called "Ask Mxy". I'd be a rip off of "Aks Mola", but unlike that thread, you'd reply with real answers. It might also help relieve some of that built-up pressure in your noggin, with everything packed in there like that.

Just looking out for ya. We don't need you to go Scanners on us.

And what about those FUCKING CANADIANS??!!!! How many illegal Canadians are there in the good ol' US of A???? I don't trust them because they look just like us.

I bet UncleMxy is a Canadian.

I bet Zip Goshboots is a fucking Canadian.

We should mark these posters with a symbol so we know they're Canadian.

Segregate!

Segregate!

Burn Toronto!!!!!!


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Burn Toronto!!!!!!
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Careful, there. The last time we barbequed that village's igloos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_York), their retaliation on Washington, D.C., nearly led to Dolly Madison becoming their presidential prostitute. Quebec would be a safer target; Francophones rarely put up much resistance.

I'm not a Canadian but:

1) I have had a Canadian work permit and a Canadian boss at one point. In fact, having had a Canadian work permit sucks, because I'm the subject of a bunch of extra questions when crossing into Canada. "Really, you're just here to piss your money into our coffers, not steal precious Canadian jobs with an expired work permit, right?"

-and-

2) Just yesterday, I checked out a book out of the library written by a couple of Montreal professor sorts (http://www.nadeaubarlow.com), called "The Story Of French", because it caught my eye among the new releases. Tabarnak! I just can't believe that the WTFDetroit.com immigration police flagged my suspicious behavior so quickly!

I'm nOT going to respond to these ootlandish charges that I might be Canadian! I was indeed born sooth of the US-Canadian border! This baseless charge is an oot and oot lie! Despicable!
Plus, I don't have an overbite!

I'd like to extend a challenge to our so-called Syndicate to, through the magic of IP, locate and mark every poster on WTFDetroit who resides in Canada.

With the upcoming election year, I believe this will be a popular move.

You REALLY want to mess with Canada?
They made a documentary, with John Candy, about the time Canada kicked the USA's perverbial ARSE one time. And it only took about 6 of them.
Don't fuck around with a nation that features people who either have overbites, or no front teeth at all.

Here's an oldie: http://wtfdetroit.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5656

Well, obviously, some of them have discovered dentistry and silicone in a vast conspiracy to look American.
That said, Denny may be onto something:
I left Michigan in 1982. In my lifetime there, there were two championships. Michigan won the college world series in 1963 (the year I was born), and the Tigers won the World Series in 1968. Between then and October 18, 1982, the city celebrated NO championships!
Since then:
Tigers: Champs in 1984
Pistons: Champs in 1989, 1990, and 2004.
Red Wings: Three Stanley Cups
Michigan: Baskeball NC in 1989, football NC in 1997
Michigan Hockey: NC in 1995 and 1997
Michigan State: Basketball NC in 2000 (or so)
Michigan: Girls softball year before last won an NC
I'm sure there are others, but I'm afraid at this point that I'll be exposed as some sort of Canadian, and not just that, but the Canadian who had a jinx on sports in the Great State.

The only thing I have to hold onto is that the Llions still suck, and MSU football is still poo.

Check out stuff like

http://ip-to-country.webhosting.info/
http://www.maxmind.com/app/geoip_country/

for el-cheapo way to tag the ethnic menace that is Canada. They'll be shitting mapleleafs by the time we're through with them!

Moxie:
Thanks. I'm thinking of taking up the offer to get the "Geopositioning Location Service" in case I forget where Canada is. Contrary to popular belief, you simply do not look "up" to see Canada. If I look up, I see the birdshit that is about to land on my forehead.

I guess I stand corrected on championships during my life in Michigan. Michigan State apparently won a national championship in 1965 (or so).
But you get the picture, and it was pretty bleak.
I think that in 1974 the Tigers won about 19 games, and the Red Wings were shut out for the entire season. There was alot of that going on in the seventies in Detroit.
And dare I mention the incomparable Justice Thigpen of the Pistons? I remember a game where he scored a basket against Portland. I was there.

Zip Goshboots backwards is Stoobhsog Piz, which is a township located Norman Region in Manitoba, 110 km norteast of The Pas, which itself is some 630 kilometres northwest of the provincial capital Winnipeg.

Stoobhsog Piz has a population of 53, and it's main export is a moose poop.

Denny:
Your theory doesn't hold water. That's because Zip Goshboots isn't my real name. My real name is J. Zipperton Goshboots III

Denny:
Your theory doesn't hold water. That's because Zip Goshboots isn't my real name. My real name is J. Zipperton Goshboots III

<<<<<<<<< He prefers JZG3

Denny:
Your theory doesn't hold water. That's because Zip Goshboots isn't my real name. My real name is J. Zipperton Goshboots III

You're a LIAR, and therefore Canadian.

You fooled us once with Michael J. Fox. Never again.

Michael J Fox is a lackey. He just greased the skids.
You Americans have actually been conquered by Shatner The Great.

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Michael J Fox is a lackey. He just greased the skids.
You Americans have actually been conquered by Shatner The Great.
http://www.execupundit.com/uploaded_images/star-trek-inspirational-poster-724610.jpg

That smile says it all:
"I have fucked a green chick, and Uhura. Sulu is a fag in case I need a quickie when Uhura is PMSing. Man, life is good"

Denny Crane!

Fuck that NoNeck Commie-lovin', Maple Leaf-chompin' sunuvabitch.

If we take over Canada NOW, we can use the entire Northwest Territory (Victoria Island, Baffin Island, etc.) to store nuclear waste and Anna Nicole Smith's remains.

That's very funny, McClain. But everyone knows that Baffin Island is located off the coast of Jamaica.
OH, what are you gonna do now? Say the US should conquer Norway?

OMFG... your'e right. Or, maybe you're a stupid Canadian.

I'll choose #2, ay. A victim of brain freeze due to you eating your own meat hat, me thinks.

Proof positive Zip is a filthy Canadian. I'll keep my eye on you, son.

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/2807/canadapol97gg5.jpg

You think your map fools me? So what if you cut 'n paste Baffin Island into Canada. Baffin Island is near Jamaica. Why? Because I said so.

Fantasy Island by any other name... ze Zip, ze Zip!!

Canada can Suck My Fuck®.

Ohh Canada
My home and sacred land
We stand on guard
we stand on guard for theee
Ohhhh Canada, Glorious and Freeee
We stand on guard we stand on guard for theeee
OHHHH CAAANNNAAADAAA
We stand on guard for THEEEEEEEEE
Lookout Americans, it's a two pronged attack:
100 MILLION illegal Mexicans will cross your borders within the next six months
and all the Canadians who want to leave Canada, both of them, will sneak across the Ambassador Bridge to infiltrate your land!!
Oh, you're safe for now, but soon, too soon, Heh, heh...heh...ha ha HA HAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAhA AAAHAHHAHAHAH HAhAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHHHAhhhaaa hack ErHAcK A CouGh Hack HACK GHAK HACKY HACK GACKY HACK ATHWACK HACK GACK COUGH HUCK HAcK