Tre and I were talking about this last night after we saw Arthur Hill handle Detroit Finney.
5 candidates.
Good article from a couple weeks ago on the five of them in the Free Press. Coaches have their ballots now. Should be an interesting race with such quality candidates. Would have been even more interesting had Legion stayed at Country Day. Anyhow, here's the article:
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070216/SPORTS09/702160408/1010/NEWS

They are the Fab Five of the Class of 2007.

Corperryale Harris of Detroit Redford, Kalin Lucas of Orchard Lake St. Mary's, Laval Lucas-Perry of Flint Powers, Durrell Summers of Redford Covenant and Dar Tucker of Saginaw Arthur Hill are the finalists for the Hal Schram Mr. Basketball Award, given annually to the state's top senior by the Basketball Coaches Association of Michigan, in conjunction with the Free Press.

For the first time in the 27-year history of the award, the Mr. Basketball ballot is limited to five players.

In future years, the list of finalists could be larger or smaller than this year. BCAM officials say these five candidates are head and shoulders above others considered for the ballot.

"We don't think we need to go beyond these five to find Mr. Basketball," said Tom Hursey, BCAM's executive director. "The board of directors felt there was no need to have more than five on the ballot. We're trying to simplify things for the voters so they can take a good look at the candidates.

"If we have too many on the ballot, sometimes the coaches look for the closest one to their school and that's who they vote for."

Before settling on these five, Al Snyder, chairman for the Mr. Basketball committee, received input from regional representatives from across the state.

"All five of these guys are real high-pedigree, top recruits," Snyder said. "I think they will give the coaches more of an incentive to vote. We have five really quality players, and whichever one wins, we can be proud of him being Mr. Basketball."

Only BCAM members are permitted to vote for the award, and each voter must vote for three candidates. Points are awarded on a 5-3-1 basis, and the winner will be announced March 19 at the Free Press.

Here is an alphabetical look at the finalists attempting to become the next Mr. Basketball.

Corperryale Harris, Detroit Redford 6-4 guard

College: Michigan.

Biggest area of improvement: Outside shooting.

Plays like: Tracy McGrady.

Best move: Crossover dribble from left to right for a mid-range jump shot.

Favorite TV show: "The Jamie Foxx Show."

Favorite book: "Green Eggs and Ham" by Dr. Seuss.

Favorite class: Math.

Top opponent: Bill Walker, Cincinnati.

When my basketball career is finished, I will ... "own my own business."

Coach Ken Flowers on Harris for Mr. Basketball: "He's proven himself night in and night out. I think he's grown more from his freshman year to his senior year than anybody else. He's outplayed everybody head-to-head. He's scored 50 twice in the best league in the state, and nobody's done that since Katu Davis in 1991."

Overview: He began the season ranked No. 1 in the state, based largely on his outstanding junior season and his play over the summer. He carried Redford to its third consecutive Public School League championship. No one takes the ball to the basket and draws contact better than Harris.

Kalin Lucas, Orchard Lake St. Mary's 6-0 guard

College: Michigan State.

Biggest area of improvement: Passing.

Plays like: Chris Paul.

Best move: Takes a quick first step to get by a defender and takes the ball to the basket.

Favorite TV show: "Wayans Brothers."

Favorite book: Muhammad Ali autobiography.

Favorite class: English.

Top opponent: Kevin Love, Lake Oswego, Ore.

When my basketball career is finished, I will ... "get into business management or own my own business."

Coach George Porritt on Lucas for Mr. Basketball: "He's a true point guard, and they're hard to find. He has all of the abilities you want. He's good in every area, and he makes his teammates better. He's the kind of point guard who makes you a better coach."

Overview: It is difficult to recall a guard quicker than Lucas. There is no one better in the transition game. He seems to have an extra gear that allows him to blow past defenders on his way to the basket. This season he has become a more effective point guard by cutting down on his shooting and passing to teammates.

Laval Lucas-Perry, Flint Powers 6-3, forward

College: Arizona.

Biggest area of improvement: Taking the ball to the basket.

Plays like: Gilbert Arenas.

Best move: Crossover dribble for a 15-foot jump shot.

Favorite TV show: "Law & Order."

Favorite book: "Black Boy" by Richard Wright.

Favorite class: Calculus.

Top opponent: Victoria Lucas-Perry, Michigan State (his sister).

When my basketball career is finished, I will ... "pursue a career in business."

Coach Tim Herman on Lucas-Perry for Mr. Basketball: "He's such an all-around player. He plays great defense, and he can pass. He's a great leader, and he's got probably the best attitude on the team. He never gives me any trouble. He would never think of talking back to me."

Overview: One of the truly outstanding athletes in the state, he could have been a major college recruit in football, where he was a Dream Team all-stater. He emerged from the shadow of 7-foot teammate Tom Herzog last season to earn all-state honors as a junior. He has carried Powers to another fine season with his all-around play as a scorer and defender.

Durrell Summers, Redford Covenant 6-5, guard

College: Michigan State.

Biggest area of improvement: Defense.

Plays like: Dwyane Wade.

Best move: Crossover dribble from left to right for a pull-up jump shot.

Favorite TV show: "Wild 'N Out."

Favorite book: Kobe Bryant autobiography.

Favorite class: The Bible.

Top opponent: Kevin Durant, Texas.

When my basketball career is finished, I will ... "be a computer technician."

Coach Duran Shepherd on Summers for Mr. Basketball: "The biggest misconception with the public and the media is that they forget that while he's putting up big numbers now that we're in Class D, he was doing the same thing when we were at DePorres. We beat Redford in Operation Friendship and we beat Arthur Hill. We played Orchard Lake St. Mary's two or three times, and he played well against them."

Overview: He is the best player nobody has seen. People assume he takes Class D players inside and scores, but his game is much more. He is a 40% shooter from three-point range, and he is a genuine perimeter player. He could carry his team to the Class D state championship.

Dar Tucker, Saginaw Arthur Hill 6-5, forward

College: DePaul.

Biggest area of improvement: Ballhandling.

Plays like: Dwyane Wade.

Best move: Takes the ball at the top of the key and uses a crossover dribble to the right and takes the ball to the basket for a dunk.

Favorite TV show: "Chappelle's Show"

Favorite book: "The Bible."

Favorite class: Journalism.

Top opponent: Malik Hairston, Detroit Renaissance, Oregon.

When my basketball career is finished, I will ... "be an elementary school teacher."

Coach Greg McMath on Tucker for Mr. Basketball: "Dar plays with so much energy. He's always got a smile on his face, and he's unselfish. A lot of guys make playing hard, but it's fun watching him."

Overview: He burst onto the scene with a sensational sophomore season and followed that by leading Arthur Hill to the Class A state championship as a junior. He is more than capable of scoring from the perimeter, but is difficult to guard inside, where he overpowers defenders. He has had several memorable performances, such as scoring 37 points Tuesday against Country Day.

I think Lucas-Perry is out, at least in terms of being able to win it.

Summers doesn't play for a bigtime enough school, so I'm doubting he wins it.

So now you have Lucas, Tucker, and Harris. Tucker is going out of state, which can hurt you, plus he has more talent surrounding him, so people might doubt him there. Harris is a PSL kid, which isn't always helpful. Lucas screwed up in the playoffs last year, which could hurt him.

Not sure who I'd guess will win it. Maybe Lucas.

My sister is a freshman girls basketball coach and gets a ballot. I "helped" her fill it out. Here's what I (she) went with.

1. Manny Harris. Not just he's going to be a Wolverine. Dude has been ballin' all year and has gone over 50 twice.

2. Dar Tucker. He gets bumped to the #2 spot because of the DrTre DePaul scandal.

3. Kalin Lucas. One of the quickest guards I have ever seen.

My sister is a freshman girls basketball coach and gets a ballot. I "helped" her fill it out. Here's what I (she) went with.

1. Manny Harris. Not just he's going to be a Wolverine. Dude has been ballin' all year and has gone over 50 twice.

2. Dar Tucker. He gets bumped to the #2 spot because of the DrTre DePaul scandal.

3. Kalin Lucas. One of the quickest guards I have ever seen.


Oh that's nice! Moodini grabs a ballot that isn't his and fills in his Wolverine. Ethically questionable at best.

With that said, Summers is averaging more than Manny and Summers has another statistical category to add to it-rebounding. After Jethro pointed it out to me,I checked out Summers' rebounding numbers and they are great. Tucker has not had a great year. Team is playing great, but the two times that I've seen him this year, he has turned on and off his effort. Lucas has had a nice year, but I don't know if it is a Mr. Basketball year.

I believe Summers is the favorite. I am taking my ballot (that is actually mine) and filling it out more responsibly. I'm going to do some more research before I just fill in my Spartans. These are great players that deserve more than some fans just filling in players going to their school. Some have worked really hard for the award and their college choice won't impact my vote.

Manny Harris is averaging like 35 a night...I honestly don't think that was a homer pick at all.

Manny Harris is averaging like 35 a night...I honestly don't think that was a homer pick at all.

First of all, my biggest beef was that it wasn't his ballot to fill out.

The other problem I had was not that Manny was #1 on his list, but the fact that he left Summers completely off his list. Summers is averaging 32 pts a game and 16 rebounds and you don't even put him in the top 3?! If Summers isn't the favorite, he's 1 of the Top 2. Hmmm...I wonder why he didn't get placed in Moodini's Top 3? You leave the Spartan favorite completely off the list getting no points and you give Manny 5 pts.

It's not supposed to be a Wolverine fan vs. Spartan fan ballot.

First of all, my biggest beef was that it wasn't his ballot to fill out.

Would you prefer some 24 year old chick who is way more into Rachel Ray's cooking TV show than boys' high school basketball and just randomly picks names? She was leaning towards LLP at #1 because she played against his sister.

I just provided some input.

I think a major point to consider is Summer's competition. I know he shouldn't be punished for playing at a school that is class D, but it has to be a factor. I know he also gets triple-teamed and all of the other arguments, but he is also 6'5" playing class D basketball.........I'm guessing that accounts for some of his rebounds. I would venture to guess that on "most" nights he may be the talletst player on the court.....which is something that Dar, Manny, Lavel and Kalin can't say. I honestly could care less who wins because Tommy is still going to coach Manny so its irrelevant whether he wins or not.

I wonder if someone could throw up each player's stats against their 5 or 6 toughest opponents. Also, how come they don't do this after the tournament? I know that Dar will have probably the toughest road seeing as how he has to play The High in Districts, but any player that leads his team to the ultimate prize should "maybe" be rewarded with a few extra votes......

Just my crappy two cents.

Would you prefer some 24 year old chick who is way more into Rachel Ray's cooking TV show than boys' high school basketball and just randomly picks names? She was leaning towards LLP at #1 because she played against his sister.

I just provided some input.

No, I would prefer that it doesn't get filled out and sent in at all then. When I get my Ms. Basketball ballot each year, I don't vote. I don't think its right for me to just fill in the local girl or whoever is going to State. I'd have to do a little homework to make it a fair vote and I'm not willing to do that so I don't fill it in.

I'm sure you just provided "some input." That's not how you made it sound in your original post when you continued to say "I" voted for...

I think a major point to consider is Summer's competition. I know he shouldn't be punished for playing at a school that is class D, but it has to be a factor. I know he also gets triple-teamed and all of the other arguments, but he is also 6'5" playing class D basketball.........I'm guessing that accounts for some of his rebounds. I would venture to guess that on "most" nights he may be the talletst player on the court.....which is something that Dar, Manny, Lavel and Kalin can't say. I honestly could care less who wins because Tommy is still going to coach Manny so its irrelevant whether he wins or not.

I wonder if someone could throw up each player's stats against their 5 or 6 toughest opponents. Also, how come they don't do this after the tournament? I know that Dar will have probably the toughest road seeing as how he has to play The High in Districts, but any player that leads his team to the ultimate prize should "maybe" be rewarded with a few extra votes......

Just my crappy two cents.

Filly, Summers put up the same numbers last year when he was playing for DePorres. I wouldn't mind it being done after the tourney. However, you can make a case that this is an individual award and a player shouldn't get more chances to shine because he plays on a better team or is lucky enough to be placed in an easier district.

Tre, I think most players get harmed by playing on good teams except when it comes to winning titles. I think Summers numbers are gaudy because he is the only player on his team. Yes, he did it last year as well, but when you're the #1, #2 and #3 option on your team you should have some good numbers. I think someone that has a ton of teammates that are good/great that is probably hurts them in some categories and helps them in others. How many assists has Summers lost because his chump ass teammates can't hit a wide open three after he slashes to the lane? How many more opportunities does Summers get because he is a point guard and has the ball in his hands? How many more opportunities does Manny get because they play up-tempo? Should a player be punished because his team plays a slow-down, grind it out style or because he has a D-1 point guard that likes to run the show?

One thing that I think is interesting is that no player from the glorious west side of the state is in the running for Mr. Basketball. Its pretty annoying to listen to the HUGE show and hear about how great the west side of the state is. Sometimes I think Michigan is split into two states after lisening to HUGE.....East Michigan and West Michigan........screw the Youpers.

Tre, I think most players get harmed by playing on good teams except when it comes to winning titles. I think Summers numbers are gaudy because he is the only player on his team. Yes, he did it last year as well, but when you're the #1, #2 and #3 option on your team you should have some good numbers. I think someone that has a ton of teammates that are good/great that is probably hurts them in some categories and helps them in others. How many assists has Summers lost because his chump ass teammates can't hit a wide open three after he slashes to the lane? How many more opportunities does Summers get because he is a point guard and has the ball in his hands? How many more opportunities does Manny get because they play up-tempo? Should a player be punished because his team plays a slow-down, grind it out style or because he has a D-1 point guard that likes to run the show?

One thing that I think is interesting is that no player from the glorious west side of the state is in the running for Mr. Basketball. Its pretty annoying to listen to the HUGE show and hear about how great the west side of the state is. Sometimes I think Michigan is split into two states after lisening to HUGE.....East Michigan and West Michigan........screw the Youpers.

I think you are right when it comes to producing good numbers due to your lack of teammates. To play devil's advocate, without a good team people won't give you the individual honors either. They'll say, "Hey, he isn't leading his team to championships." A great team can get you opportunities by creating shots for you and creating hype for you. So it goes both ways.

One thing I did notice about Summers was that his team played against great competition this year even though they are a small school. They played and beat Arthur Hill and they played OLSM too.

Regardless, I don't think anybody is the for sure standout Mr. Basketball this year. Every one of them will be great, but because there are so many greats, nobody is the lock for the award.

I got a Manny for Mr. Basketball DVD yesterday. I'll let you guys know how it looks. The cover is pretty sweet. JRich had one sent out like this years ago.

Manny H - Suspended for a half in a big game
Kalin - 37 points in a win

I am disappointed with Manny for whatever he did, I like his game, he plays hard. He shouldn't be doing stupid stuff off the court to mess it up.

But Kalin showed why he should be getting placed on every ballet ahead of Harris today.

Manny H - Suspended for a half in a big game
Kalin - 37 points in a win

I am disappointed with Manny for whatever he did, I like his game, he plays hard. He shouldn't be doing stupid stuff off the court to mess it up.

But Kalin showed why he should be getting placed on every ballet ahead of Harris today.

Wow! 37 points? He's totally a passing pg too. He's not one to jack up a ton of shots.

Okay, I checked out the Manny for Mr. B DVD today. The disc cover, the DVD case, and the menu looked extremely professional and impressive. I actually called wifie in the room to check the menu, it was really tight looking.

Unfortunately, those were the most impressive things about the DVD. I am not being a UM hater, I promise. I wasn't very impressed. Manny has an unusual shot. He spreads his legs far apart when shooting a J, it's very unorthodox. He also follows his hand through to the right when shooting, not towards the hoop. Seems like it'll make for some inconsistant shooting at the next level.

One dunk he had on the tape was real nice. The others were fairly uninspiring. I honestly expected to see more wow stuff seeing that this was his "vote for me" dvd. You can shrug it off and take it as a Sparty view if ya want. But, I wouldn't expect that much out of this kid unless he makes some changes. I never felt like I could give my opinion of him before because I hadn't watched him. After seeing him and Kalin, Lucas was way more impressive.

Too bad Manny is going to a school that doesn't improve their players. (grumbles, swears a few times, punches the table, walks over to Michigan flag and asks why)

Too bad Manny is going to a school that doesn't improve their players. (grumbles, swears a few times, punches the table, walks over to Michigan flag and asks why)
I have seen improvement in Jarrett Smith. When he first came to Michigan he wouldnt have started for Saginaw Valley. Now I think he would be a nice 6th man for Central.

Ok, I'll give you that. If you try going back to the well for Udoh or Baker, I can't do it since they were simply surprising right away.
Ron Coleman, Courtney Sims, Brent Petway, Dion Harris, Lester, Jevohn Sheppard = all at the same stage as two years ago, if not worse.

Ok, I'll give you that. If you try going back to the well for Udoh or Baker, I can't do it since they were simply surprising right away.
Ron Coleman, Courtney Sims, Brent Petway, Dion Harris, Lester, Jevohn Sheppard = all at the same stage as two years ago, if not worse.
I think that Petway has improved. His numbers might not show it...but he has gotten a lot better IMO.

I think that Petway has improved. His numbers might not show it...but he has gotten a lot better IMO.

I'm sorry Muhme, but what in the hell are you watching? This kid was blessed by God more than 99.9% of the human beings on this planet. He has length and can jump over mountains. Yet, he is the same exact player. He doesn't look like he's ever seen a weight room in his life, he can't handle the ball, his shot is bad at best, what has he improved on??! Anything he does within a basketball game is the result of what he was blessed with, not anything that he's worked on.

Jethro is right! Amaker does not improve his players. Lester regress in his game is sickening. I remember thinking early in his career that he was going to be a really good guard. Look at Sims, nearly identical in every way to his freshman self. The list goes on and on.

I can't take this shit anymore. It's come to the point where I don't even watch Michigan basketball. I mean, they're playing #1 OSU on Saturday, and I went to see a 4:30 showing of Rocky Balboa......and had a much better time.

I don't care if we lose Legion and Manny, get Tommy out! The better thing might be get Bill Martin (AD) out, and get someone in who actually cares about the program and will upgrade the basketball facilities to at least the middle of the pack.......JOKE.

You guys are something else, lol. It is funny to hear everyone bitch and moan. Mood...you dont care about losing Manny or Alex? lol...great fan, keep supporting Michigan...maybe when it is convenient for you to start cheering again *cough* when they are winning again *cough* you can jump back on...you are just like the fucking bullshit fans that cheer for Blue in the fall and cheer for green in the winter.


Ya know what...the product has not been good. Tre, I WANT TOMMY OUT. I DO NOT THINK PLAYERS IMPROVE. but SEEING VITUALLY EVERY FUCKING MICHIGAN GAME FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS AND SAYING THAT PETWAY HASNT IMPROVED IS LAUGHABLE.

I know you do not follow the program like I do, so you saying it really has no meaning to me. You are right...the kid has god given talent, and you are spot fucking on with Les and Courtney....

I fucking do not like what has happened...but after virtual hell that we went through...injuries...piss poor facilities...an alumni base that is like Moodini ( i would rather watch a fucking shit ass bullshit movie like Rocky Balboa than support the bball program ) ...i can see why they suffer. Tommy is fighting a battle that cannot be won. FOR CHRIST SAKE THEY DONT EVEN HAVE A PLACE TO PRACTICE! This is Michigan not fucking coppen state! Bash, flame and call me foolish...but it is true...


oh...and michigan state going from a mediocre program to ELITE didnt help either.

Dont worry Moodini...the spring game is coming up in April...you can get your Michigan flag back out along with all your wearables soon enough.

I don't think being a fan means you have to sit there and watch the sludge that is put out day after day. I think it's perfectly reasonable for Moodini to go to the Rocky movie instead of watching Michigan basketball.
It doesn't make someone a "bigger fan" if they watch every play, recite the players statistics, and tell you how big their dongs are, it makes you a person with a serious problem.
Sometimes the biggest "fans" are the ones who hurt a program. They can be apologists, stuck in the past, or they can be extremely impatient in wanting a winner.
I think that although Tommy has been dealt a tough hand, he knew it coming in. If Michigan's committment was so lousy that it hampered him even more, he should have resigned rather than having this stain on his resume.
I laugh at the people who talk about MSU having a role in Michigan's basketball futility. UM won a championship in '89, and they had been good for years leading up to that point, and stayed that way for another 5 or 6 years after. There has always been plenty of basketball talent to supply MSU and UM in the state of Michigan.
Michigan just hasn't been able to get the players that don't go to MSU. And, they can't get good players from anywhere else.
That's why UM basketball sucks.

Muhme, you claim that I don't follow the program like you do. However, I watch every Michigan and Michigan State football and basketball game every single year. I might have missed 1-2 Michigan games this year and I listened to one of those on the radio.

I do coach the sport a little so I tend to look for the little things w/ players and I try to not be a dumb fan when it comes to acknowledging a player's improvement. Matt Trannon wouldn't crack double digits in any statistical category yet he was key to MSU's Final 4 run year before last. But, I just don't see what you are seeing with Petway. Maybe if you can elaborate, I might change my mind. But, I have watched him alot and i dont' see any of it.

Back on topic, Lucas had his second straight 37 pt game yesterday. Mr. Basketball anyone?

[QUOTE=theMUHMEshow]You guys are something else, lol. It is funny to hear everyone bitch and moan. Mood...you dont care about losing Manny or Alex? lol...great fan, keep supporting Michigan...maybe when it is convenient for you to start cheering again *cough* when they are winning again *cough* you can jump back on...you are just like the fucking bullshit fans that cheer for Blue in the fall and cheer for green in the winter.[QUOTE]

Muhme, I've tried man. All I'm saying is that I can't stomach the Tommy Amaker Michigan basketball product anymore. There's just no use, they're going to come up short every single time. TIME FOR A MAJOR CHANGE.

[QUOTE=theMUHMEshow]You guys are something else, lol. It is funny to hear everyone bitch and moan. Mood...you dont care about losing Manny or Alex? lol...great fan, keep supporting Michigan...maybe when it is convenient for you to start cheering again *cough* when they are winning again *cough* you can jump back on...you are just like the fucking bullshit fans that cheer for Blue in the fall and cheer for green in the winter.[QUOTE]

Muhme, I've tried man. All I'm saying is that I can't stomach the Tommy Amaker Michigan basketball product anymore. There's just no use, they're going to come up short every single time. TIME FOR A MAJOR CHANGE.
well they win tomorrow...you know for sure Tommy is coming back.

Manny Harris killed it again last night with 41 and another win.

It is too bad that he didnt play the whole game against OLSM. Hell he still dominated that game and just about led them to a win only playing one half. I have a hard time putting anyone ahead of him...especially since he is the WHOLE FUCKING TEAM.

Manny Harris killed it again last night with 41 and another win.

It is too bad that he didnt play the whole game against OLSM. Hell he still dominated that game and just about led them to a win only playing one half. I have a hard time putting anyone ahead of him...especially since he is the WHOLE FUCKING TEAM.

How did he dominate the game when Lucas stayed on the court, scored 37 pts, and his team won...?

I'm tellin' ya, I watched "the best of Manny" DVD and I was not impressed.

How did he dominate the game when Lucas stayed on the court, scored 37 pts, and his team won...?

I'm tellin' ya, I watched "the best of Manny" DVD and I was not impressed.
lmao at you talking about that DVD again lol...You're hopeless...If Kalin was going to U of M and Manny was EL bound you would be all over him.

They are both FUCKING STUDS. F U C K I N G STUDS!!

If you cant see that, then you are blind.

lmao at you talking about that DVD again lol...You're hopeless...If Kalin was going to U of M and Manny was EL bound you would be all over him.

They are both FUCKING STUDS. F U C K I N G STUDS!!

If you cant see that, then you are blind.

NO, I WOULDN'T BE ALL OVER HIM! The kid's J is whack looking and he's not much of a high flyer. There have been MSU players in the past that I was not thrilled with and I made that clear here. Ex.-Herzog

You talk like you know all. How many times have you been to a Manny game? I'd love to know! If they put together a DVD of what is supposed to be his most impressive performances and it's not impressive...then what do you expect me to say?

We'll see who is right in the future Muhme. I guarantee Manny will be just another Dion, Lester, etc. We'll see who's judge of talent is more accurate. Then again, this is coming from a guy who thinks Petway is much improved. LMAO @ you!

You lost me when you compared Tim to Manny. Sorry, try again.

Valenti and Forster seem to think Manny Harris is going to be a real good addition to Michigan's already dominant NIT lineup.

Valenti and Forster seem to think Manny Harris is going to be a real good addition to Michigan's already dominant NIT lineup.
Talking to Valenti about Michigan is like talking to Hitler about jews.


His love for Drew Stanton still amazes me.

Valenti and Forster seem to think Manny Harris is going to be a real good addition to Michigan's already dominant NIT lineup.

LOL!

Actually, Valenti wasn't knocking UM at all. He and Forster were just saying that Harris is going to be real good at UM.
The NIT emphasis was mine.
AND, if Valenti wants to knock UM, he can go ahead and do it. UM needs some knocking, maybe it'll shake things up, loosen a few dinosaur bones up or something.

Tre, come on now man. I know you hate Michigan, but how can you not be impressed with someone who went for 41 in the tourney and has gone over 50 twice this year?

This is all a pointless discussion, because Michigan's basketball program is a traveshamockery, but still. Dude can ball.

Tre, come on now man. I know you hate Michigan, but how can you not be impressed with someone who went for 41 in the tourney and has gone over 50 twice this year?

This is all a pointless discussion, because Michigan's basketball program is a traveshamockery, but still. Dude can ball.

You say dude can ball. Your opinion is based on what? You have never been to one of his games have you? This has nothing to do with Michigan and I said it from the start. Come over to my house, pop in the DVD, and give me your honest opinion. Solid? yeah Very impressive? no I'll sit there with ya and watch it and you tell me I'm off then.

A Sparty never gives it up.
That's why UM fans who say, "MSU is my second favorite team. I hope they go 10-1 or 27-2 every year, gosh golly gee willikers" make me barf.
Respect The Izzo, or their Football Coach Du Jour, but never, ever root for Sparty, because they will never ever return the love.
Yes, root against Sparty. Sparty is evil. If Sparty gains control of the world, we can all look forward to a reign of terror that will make Hitler look like Santa Clause.

A Sparty never gives it up.
That's why UM fans who say, "MSU is my second favorite team. I hope they go 10-1 or 27-2 every year, gosh golly gee willikers" make me barf.
Respect The Izzo, or their Football Coach Du Jour, but never, ever root for Sparty, because they will never ever return the love.
Yes, root against Sparty. Sparty is evil. If Sparty gains control of the world, we can all look forward to a reign of terror that will make Hitler look like Santa Clause.
I will never cheer for MSU. I fucking hate the bastards.


*btw this is my first post from my new treo 700

A Sparty never gives it up.
That's why UM fans who say, "MSU is my second favorite team. I hope they go 10-1 or 27-2 every year, gosh golly gee willikers" make me barf.
Respect The Izzo, or their Football Coach Du Jour, but never, ever root for Sparty, because they will never ever return the love.
Yes, root against Sparty. Sparty is evil. If Sparty gains control of the world, we can all look forward to a reign of terror that will make Hitler look like Santa Clause.

You guys keep making this thread into an MSU-UM thing. It's Mr. Basketball. I honestly don't feel one bit threatened by UM's program so there is no reason to hate on a kid just because he's going there. It's my honest opinion. I think Legion is really good after watching him for Oak Hill this year. Sorry that I don't share the same opinion on Manny, but it has nothing to do with his school choice.

You guys keep making this thread into an MSU-UM thing. It's Mr. Basketball. I honestly don't feel one bit threatened by UM's program so there is no reason to hate on a kid just because he's going there. It's my honest opinion. I think Legion is really good after watching him for Oak Hill this year. Sorry that I don't share the same opinion on Manny, but it has nothing to do with his school choice.
Hey Tre, I assume you werent at Troy High yesterday were you?


Your boy had one hell of a choke job...Mr. Basketball isnt supposed to choke like that. We just got done watching the tape of the game here at work.

Dribbles off his foot at the end of the game? Out played by a kid going to michigan....to play FOOTBALL! Missing free throws when the game is on the line?

I tell ya what...it is a good thing Siller got that shot when they played Redford because your boy wouldnt have hit it...

I will never cheer for MSU. I fucking hate the bastards.


*btw this is my first post from my new treo 700
I get that. It's like I tell people about my utter disregard, and disdain for U of Mum football. If they played Al Queda I'd learn the Al Queda fight song. All the while entertaining the idea of a plane crash en route to the game then snapping to it and realizing that the Blue & Yellow would never have the balls to play Al Queda on the road.

Al Queda on the road

Ouch.

I get that. It's like I tell people about my utter disregard, and disdain for U of Mum football. If they played Al Queda I'd learn the Al Queda fight song. All the while entertaining the idea of a plane crash en route to the game then snapping to it and realizing that the Blue & Yellow would never have the balls to play Al Queda on the road.
Playing in Eugene OR > Al Queda

MUHME:
Don't get him started about UM's foibles when flying over mountains.

Dr Tre:
With all due respect, ANY thread carries the potential of being an MSU Vs UM fight.

Dr Tre:
With all due respect, ANY thread carries the potential of being an MSU Vs UM fight.

Agreed.

We could have a thread called: "Do you like bunnies?" or "Would you like a million dollars?" or even more so "(anything ...) Championship in (insert sport name)?"

This board is made for us to get pissed at eachother. Every other board we are all on the same side. NCAA - we are against eachother.

detroit:
Well said, and I'm glad you think that way. That's what these boards are for.
That, and my genius.

So back to the Kalin Lucas Xavier style choke job last night...

Manny won Mr. Basketball.

Tommy let the cat out at his PA.

Manny won Mr. Basketball.

Tommy let the cat out at his PA.
Yeah...actually Manny told Legion according to reports.

Not shocked at all...

"First he told me he was Mr. Basketball," said Legion in letting the cat out of the bag about Monday's impending announcement. "Then he's told me he's still coming as well. He said the same thing – 'if we all stay, I don't see why we can't do it ourselves [with a new coach].'"

Legion on speaking with Manny

Manny deserves Mr. Basketball....bottom line.

Manny deserves Mr. Basketball....bottom line.
Yeah...this was really a no brainer...

I wonder how he won it after they took a look at that terrible DVD though? lmao

From the Free Press:

Harris edged out Saginaw Arthur Hill's Dar Tucker for the award, given to the state's top senior by the Basketball Coaches Association of Michigan, in conjunction with the Free Press.

Harris accumulated 924 points, with Tucker receiving 900. Kalin Lucas of Orchard Lake St. Mary's was third with 632 points, Durrell Summers of Redford Covenant
was fourth (426) and Flint Powers' Laval Lucas-Perry was fifth (306).

I'm really shocked that Summers finished 4th. He's the guy I thought would win if Harris didn't. His numbers are sick. Not even remotely surprised about Lucas-Perry being 5th.

From the Free Press:

Harris edged out Saginaw Arthur Hill's Dar Tucker for the award, given to the state's top senior by the Basketball Coaches Association of Michigan, in conjunction with the Free Press.

Harris accumulated 924 points, with Tucker receiving 900. Kalin Lucas of Orchard Lake St. Mary's was third with 632 points, Durrell Summers of Redford Covenant
was fourth (426) and Flint Powers' Laval Lucas-Perry was fifth (306).

I'm really shocked that Summers finished 4th. He's the guy I thought would win if Harris didn't. His numbers are sick. Not even remotely surprised about Lucas-Perry being 5th.
yeah...if Manny or Dar played in the D league *cough cough* their numbers would be even better too

MUHME........I don't like what you're insunuating. You know we're going to get a lecture from the Doc because of your comments and nobody here wants to have that happen. Maybe we'll get a "just wait" comment or something of that nature!

MUHME........I don't like what you're insunuating. You know we're going to get a lecture from the Doc because of your comments and nobody here wants to have that happen. Maybe we'll get a "just wait" comment or something of that nature!
Kalin chokes...

(doc silent)

Manny wins Mr Bball

(doc silent)


but we will continue to hear how terrible that DVD is...lmao...

I dont even care what happens once they get to state...because I do honestly think Izzo is a god. He will turn Kalin into something more than the 4th best player in the state.

Congrats to Manny. He was a very deserving winner of the award. His numbers were insane this year playing in the D-PSL as well as in Class A. I truly hope he goes on to have as much individual and team success at Michigan as the last Mr Basketball winner that played in Ann Arbor.

Congrats to Manny. He was a very deserving winner of the award. His numbers were insane this year playing in the D-PSL as well as in Class A. I truly hope he goes on to have as much individual and team success at Michigan as the last Mr Basketball winner that played in Ann Arbor.

With all due respect, the last Mr. Basketball that went to Michigan had as much success as the the last Mr. Basketball that went to MSU. Neither one of them has won a sh***ing thing yet. The latter gets one more shot.

With all due respect, the last Mr. Basketball that went to Michigan had as much success as the the last Mr. Basketball that went to MSU. Neither one of them has won a sh***ing thing yet. The latter gets one more shot.

With all due respect, one has been a starter on a team that reached the Final Four and has gone to three straight NCAA tournaments and was recently named first team All-Big Ten as well as a Wooden award nominee........the other has dabbled in the NIT for four years. Compare and contrast away.

That all said, c'mon man....this thread is about Manny Harris and the University of Michigan. Try to stay on point. There's no need to throw Michigan State into the discussion and cause a pissing match because the team with the bigger dick is naturally going to win that competition and you'll wind up all sad and disheveled and asking your mom why God left you with the short end of the stick;)

With all due respect, one has been a starter on a team that reached the Final Four and has gone to three straight NCAA tournaments and was recently named first team All-Big Ten as well as a Wooden award nominee........the other has dabbled in the NIT for four years. Compare and contrast away.

That all said, c'mon man....this thread is about Manny Harris and the University of Michigan. Try to stay on point. There's no need to throw Michigan State into the discussion and cause a pissing match because the team with the bigger dick is naturally going to win that competition and you'll wind up all sad and disheveled and asking your mom why God left you with the short end of the stick;)

1.) I'll repeat myself, Drew hasn't won a sh***ing thing.

2.) You are the one that went off point, by wishing the fate of Manny be the same as Dion's.

1.) I'll repeat myself, Drew hasn't won a sh***ing thing.

2.) You are the one that went off point, by wishing the fate of Manny be the same as Dion's.

This thread is about Manny, Mr Basketball and UM. Just because my post wasn't all roses, dafodils and "Corporal" Harris cock-sucking, it doesn't mean I drifted off point.

This thread is about Manny, Mr Basketball and UM. Just because my post wasn't all roses, dafodils and "Corporal" Harris cock-sucking, it doesn't mean I drifted off point.

nevermind.

lmfao @ jtt daily...hahahaa

I heard that Manny dropped 45 tonight in the Quarters..........I can't wait to see him on TV against the boys from the High. I will definitely be glued to the TV for that game, if they both make it.

I'm goin to the finals saturday. I assume Manny will be there. Should be sweet.

Does Manny Harris have as many children as Charles Rogers at the same point in his career? Will the U-Mum be able to compensate him in a style to which he has become accustomed?

Is there a joke here or does Manny have some children? I haven't heard anything about him having a kid, but I guess I'm out of the loop if I don't get your humor here Blue's Traveler.

He has as many Heisman awards as Drew Stanton though lmao

Corperryale Harris scored 47 points, including a 15 of 17 showing from the free throw line, in leading Detroit Redford to a 100-89 win over Detroit Osborn.

Corperryale Harris scored 47 points, including a 15 of 17 showing from the free throw line, in leading Detroit Redford to a 100-89 win over Detroit Osborn.

That kid is sick. Maybe Tre's DVD was made by State's SID. LOL.

That kid is sick. Maybe Tre's DVD was made by State's SID. LOL.
I dont know what the deal with that is...I have seen him play 3 times already and I am amazed at his game.

I hear that the first 35 minutes of the video are dedicated to the correct speling and pronunciation of his first name.
Man, I'd hate to see what his middle name is.

That kid is sick. Maybe Tre's DVD was made by State's SID. LOL.
I stand by the fact that if Manny was going to MSU Tre would be dangling from his nutsac. I saw more of Kalin last year but there is no doubt Manny is a better HS player.

I stand by the fact that if Manny was going to MSU Tre would be dangling from his nutsac. I saw more of Kalin last year but there is no doubt Manny is a better HS player.
You are the 1st person I've heard say that. Not a U of Mum fan by chance?

You are the 1st person I've heard say that. Not a U of Mum fan by chance?
well apparently winning Mr. Basketball didnt clear that up.

Ive talked to a few writers that have followed both of them...its documented that people in the know think Manny is a better HS player. Mr. Basketball just proves it factual. Manny still playing proves it factual as well. Maybe you should get off the beach and come check out a few games brotha

well apparently winning Mr. Basketball didnt clear that up.

Ive talked to a few writers that have followed both of them...its documented that people in the know think Manny is a better HS player. Mr. Basketball just proves it factual. Manny still playing proves it factual as well. Maybe you should get off the beach and come check out a few games brotha
1st of all Kalin is a point. Kalin is carrying a bunch of stiffs. Tough to compare and o yeah when I'm thinkin' who's the best player in Michigan I always check who Mr. Hoops was.....like Jon Garavaglia....LOL.

I stand by the fact that if Manny was going to MSU Tre would be dangling from his nutsac. I saw more of Kalin last year but there is no doubt Manny is a better HS player.

I stand by the fact that you are the biggest homer here. You don't give MSU credit for anything, so I don't want to hear your garbage about being biased.

You also lose credibility when you disappear all basketball season every year only to show up and mouth off when the season is drawing to a close.

well apparently winning Mr. Basketball didnt clear that up.

Ive talked to a few writers that have followed both of them...its documented that people in the know think Manny is a better HS player. Mr. Basketball just proves it factual. Manny still playing proves it factual as well. Maybe you should get off the beach and come check out a few games brotha

"People in the know" ????? You are so full of shit it makes me sick. Who the hell are you talking to? Who are these people in the know? First of all, I think it's hilarious when writers think they can judge talent better than coaches. That cracks me up.

2nd of all, I'll take Izzo's opinion of players everyday over Muhme and the UM faithful. Studs going to MSU tend to work out a little better than studs going to UM (Harris, Lester, Horton, etc.)

Izzo said Lucas is the best point guard he's EVER recruited including Cleaves. Yet, according to Goggles Muhme Manny is better than Lucas. Okay Muhme, I'll listen to the opinion of a guy who disappears during bball season over Izzo.

How about something we can all agree on - if he stays at Michigan, he's 99% more likely to have a successful career under WHOEVER they hire than he was under Amaker.

Actually I think whoever coaches him next holds a big key in what type of player Manny becomes. They either coach him and help him improve weaknesses or they put him in a junky system that does nothing.

Another bottom line - if he makes another DVD when he's done at Michigan and he looks whack and it's boring, but it includes clips of him consistantly leading Michigan to big wins over big teams, I won't care how boring the DVD is. (though I would really like it to be impressive)

HEY Tre you FUCKING IDIOT! Sorry I left because I was creating and developing a new fucking site dickbag...I do not have time right now to debate the jibbersh bullshit you just spit.

However, I will say that Izzo can turn anyone into an AA. Lucas is better than Neitzel when he came in so I am sure that Kalin will be a AA at MSU. I love Izzo and I have NEVER EVER said one bad word about the guy.

...and I seriously LMFAO at you calling me a homer...better than the 90% of Michigan fans that say I hate the program because I am too critical of what they do.

Oh...and if you would like to check the site I was speaking of...

www.fvsports.com

Check the forums out Tre...we need some more Michigan state fans...

I'll be checking out Manny in person tomorrow as he takes on "The High". I saw Kalin earlier in the year vs. Dar and "The Hill". I am absolutely jacked up. Most of you cats should be able to watch on FSN, but as you know you can really notice things in person. I'll be back with a full report.

I hope Manny goes for 50 to silence the haters, but The High pulls it out in a tight one.

Screw the High. I'm a Jack which makes me a High hater.

Ok, kidding a little bit. The two high schools from the district going back-to-back is about the only positive thing Gerald Dawkins can claim that has happened during his wreckless time in Draginaw. Meanwhile he'll be letting 50 teachers go in a couple months as he heads to Brooks Brothers to buy a dozen new bow ties. I believe the term is bitch made.

"People in the know" ????? You are so full of shit it makes me sick. Who the hell are you talking to? Who are these people in the know? First of all, I think it's hilarious when writers think they can judge talent better than coaches. That cracks me up.
You are totally missing the point and it is funny to see you get jacked up about something when you totally do not understand the point. Manny is A BETTER HIGH SCHOOL PLAYER Tre...there is nothing to argue here. Look at their resume throughout their careers. Yeah...the writers are all nuts and are all know nothings...especially the ones that were screaming for someone to give Tajuan Porter a scholly last year when he was all but ignored by the big boys in this area...I dont want it to sound like writers know more than coaches...but when a coach has a need a spot he is going to concentrate in getting a player at that position. Does MSU need a player like Manny? Fuck no. So that is why your jesus in EL isnt saying shit about him...

2nd of all, I'll take Izzo's opinion of players everyday over Muhme and the UM faithful. Studs going to MSU tend to work out a little better than studs going to UM (Harris, Lester, Horton, etc.)
Without a doubt they do...its because Izzo is one of the best coaches in America and he is at one of the best programs in America. Again, you totally missed the point of the whole argument. I will reset it for you and it will be a reoccurring theme in this rebuttal. MANNY IS A BETTER HS PLAYER.

Izzo said Lucas is the best point guard he's EVER recruited including Cleaves. Yet, according to Goggles Muhme Manny is better than Lucas. Okay Muhme, I'll listen to the opinion of a guy who disappears during bball season over Izzo.
Now this is the point were I read what you have to say and just laugh. I love the hell outta ya as a Spartan poster. You know your shit and you care about it...problem is you have MSU disease (inferiority complex). LUCAS IS ONE HELL OF A FUCKING PG. I WOULD BE DOING FUCKING BACKFLIPS if he were going to Michigan. BUT THIS DEBATE IS ABOUT MR. BASKETBALL. The best fucking HS player in the state...and its not Kalin. He CANNOT take over a game, score at will and/or carry a team like: Dar or Manny. Some may even argue Durrell (However I do not fell that way). Now I am "goggles Muhme" because I think that Manny is a better HS player than Kalin? Kalin is going to be a fucking stud at MSU. He will NOT have to be the man. He will NOT have to score. He will have to distribute the ball to actual basketball players other than a kid that plans to play football for Purdue. But you can spin that and make it seem that I think Izzo is an idiot for recruiting him and that Kalin is a POS that has no future in hoops.


...oh and BTW...sorry I do not "visit" enough for you approval.

...........is a fucking load of political horseshit and anybody who follows hoops in Meeeechigan knows it. Since 1998 only one kid that didn't commit to a state school has won it, Wilson Chandler who went on to DePaul and if they didn't award it to him that year people would have been arrested for fraud. This years winner by most of the rabid high school fans I'm in touch with say hands down it wasn't Manny and it wasn't Kalin. It was Dar Tucker who got hosed. Dar like Chandler is off to DePaul.

...........is a fucking load of political horseshit and anybody who follows hoops in Meeeechigan knows it. Since 1998 only one kid that didn't commit to a state school has won it, Wilson Chandler who went on to DePaul and if they didn't award it to him that year people would have been arrested for fraud. This years winner by most of the rabid high school fans I'm in touch with say hands down it wasn't Manny and it wasn't Kalin. It was Dar Tucker who got hosed. Dar like Chandler is off to DePaul.
I would've had no problem with Dar taking it.

Muhme, you are a little too riled up about this debate. I don't feel like responding to the 8 pages of your opinion. However, you wrote a lot of crap and the worst of it was when you said that "Kalin can not take over a game and score at will." Kalin took over a big game played in the Breslin this year in which he scored 20 pts in the 4th quarter leading his team to a victory. He also took over a game against MANNY when he dropped 42 in a victory.

Say what you want, yesterday's Championship game only solidified my opinion. Manny puts up huge numbers because he's got the ball in his hands 99% of the game on offense and he jacks up 75% of the shots for his team. He dribbles waaaay too much, his shot is flawed, he's weak physically, and his interviews make him sound like a dumbass. He made some athletic moves yesterday and he's a good player, but I stand by my opinion that he's not as good as the hype makes him out to be and he won't be a stellar college player. If you think that is a Spartan influenced opinion, that's fine with me. Time will tell.

Tre,

Did you watch the game? I was there, and I was impressed. You can't be serious! 31 points vs. The High that constantly trapped and sent about 12 defenders at him? That's amazing! He got to the rim with athleticism, finished in traffic, and I don't know what you're talking about when you say "flawed shot". He knocked down some J's and I watched his form closely when he was at the free throw line and I thought his stroke was just about as pure as it gets. Did I mention the he also pulled down 10 boards and did all of this with a hyperextended knee?

I'm not saying he's Kevin Durant or anything, but he can play. He is very thin and he'll need to bulk up to be successful at the next level, but I think he will, and will have a successful college career due to his skill set.

I gave it up for Neitzel when I saw him play, take the blinders off!

I agree with Moodini. I was sitting 4th row and Manny looked terrific when it came to getting to the basket. Keeping in mind that everybody from the high knew what he was gonna do. As for his free throw shooting, it was very smooth and it seemed like the style everyone else on Redford was using. Manny just looked all around great and looked a lot better than Josh Southern.

I gave it up for Neitzel when I saw him play, take the blinders off!

I'm sorry, I just don't like his game. Mentioning Neitzel leads me to believe you are making this a UM-MSU thing once again. That is not the case for the thousandth time. If it was, I wouldn't give props to Legion, but I did earlier in this thread.

I honestly could care less if Manny and Legion are great in college. As a Spartan, I don't feel threatened by UM's program at all. I just don't like his game. Sorry if you don't agree. Once again, time will tell.

I've decided to rate this thread a "Five Star" for exactly the reason Dr Tre protests:
It is clearly MSU vs UM, and I LOVE it! This morning my 12 year old daughter said to me "Dad, will you read me 'Green Eggs and Ham', and all I could say was, "WHAT THE FUCK! You don;t like MICHIGAN, you little brat?!" So I took the book and ripped it in half right in front of her and kneed here in the face. Then, I grabbed her by the hair and smashed it into her face into her plate of oatmeal and sent her to school like that.

Good God Zip! lol

Just stop trying to reason with Tre...agree to disagree... Just shocking when you hear someone that gets so much praise get bashed by someone that considers himself "knowledgeable" when it comes to basketball...

Its like what doesnt fit here?

I find Tre to be reasonable, especially when you consider his allegiances to East Lansing. It's unfortunate, but I can work with that.
My problem with Sparties is when they quash enthusiasm that the UM fan might feel. Or, when Sparties get insecure and bash UM fans in general. It's not like we grew up in Oklahoma and root for the Yankees and the Patriots.
Most of us grew up in the Great State and just happened to pick a side of the Michigan Mason Dixon line to stand behind.
It is simple to sum up: Thre are two kinds of people: UM fans, and dolts.

Just stop trying to reason with Tre...agree to disagree... Just shocking when you hear someone that gets so much praise get bashed by someone that considers himself "knowledgeable" when it comes to basketball...

Its like what doesnt fit here?

Muhme, what is your problem? Can I have my own fucking opinion?! Your last 5 posts were targeting me for having a different opinion than you.

And before you go assuming you are right and that I'm wrong, stop and consider the number of times I've been right here when the entire UM nation was against me. I'm not always right, I'm blatantly wrong plenty. HOWEVER, I've also been dead on when everyone else thought I was crazy so maybe agree to disagree and stop and consider the possibility that I might know what I'm talking about once in awhile.

BTW, I never bashed Manny. I did say he was "good." Not exactly bashing. Did I point out plenty of flaws that I believe he has? yes, but I didn't bash just questioned him being "the best."

Give it a fucking rest already. Next year we'll see if his flaws are exposed or if I'm blind to his talent.

While I'm annoyed with the attack Tre because he has a different opinion, I do think this debate can be of quality if we direct it in the right direction. Maybe we can focus on the players' game rather than each other.

Here is my take, Manny puts up amazing numbers. But, he does it in an Iverson style, dominating the bball. Dribbling way too much, not getting teammates involved.

When debating who is better, Kalin...Manny...Summers...Dar, my question is this: Does this player make his teammates better?

If you watched the State Championship game on TV, the broadcasters kept saying, "Manny needs to get his teammates involved." "Manny's teammates have not had the opportunity to contribute." Are these the things you hear about a truly GREAT player?

While Manny puts up his Iverson style of numbers, a guy like Kalin makes everyone around him better. Kalin is playing the Nash role in addition to pouring in the points when his team is in dire need. I'll take Nash on my team, you can have Iverson.

The announcers following the state title game both said the same thing, "Draymond Green was without question the best player on the floor." Maybe I don't have goggles on...?

Mentioning Neitzel leads me to believe you are making this a UM-MSU thing once again


I honestly could care less if Manny and Legion are great in college. As a Spartan, I don't feel threatened by UM's program at all.

Sounds like you are making it a UM/MSU debate to me.

In all fairness Tre, just for arguments sake, I CONSTANTLY hear how Kobe and T-Mac need to get other guys involved. They're great players. As for Harris, I haven't seen him play at all, so all I can go by are his stats. I don't care how ugly his game might look, he finds a way and he has played against some really good players, usually with the other team doubling him from what those who have watched have told me.
Everything changes at the next level and most people that get substantial time at a big school were high school studs. It sounds like he'll need a great coach to fix some things about his game, but I doubt he'll disappear. He won't likely be the first option most of the time. I suspect he'll share that role with Legion and DeShawn. So when there are mismatches I imagine he'll be able to take advantage.

Just to clarify - Tre, how far do you think he can go? Do you think he's capable of being a 2nd round pick someday? Do you think he could average 15 per game? 1st or 2nd team all-Big Ten? I know your argument isn't based on predictions, but I want to hear what you think the best he could do is, then some numbers representing what you think is most likely.

Well Tre, maybe your boys Lucas and Summers aren't making their teammates good enough, because Manny can say something that neither of those cats can. He got his team to the state finals (in class A), so he must be doing something right.

Sounds like you are making it a UM/MSU debate to me.

Those comments came after others claimed I was hating just because I'm a Spartan. I was defending myself and explaining. Thanks for taking them out of context and turning the thread right back into a Wolverine fans vs. Tre instead of a discussion about the players.

Just to clarify - Tre, how far do you think he can go? Do you think he's capable of being a 2nd round pick someday? Do you think he could average 15 per game? 1st or 2nd team all-Big Ten? I know your argument isn't based on predictions, but I want to hear what you think the best he could do is, then some numbers representing what you think is most likely.

I think he could be an all Big Ten player given great coaching. 3rd teamer? He has enough athleticism to be turned into a really good player. But that is my point, right now I think his game needs a lot of work and so does his body.

Hard to predict when I don't know who his coach will be. If they have an average Amaker type coach, maybe a 15 pt guy. I honestly see a Harris career out of him.

Moodini, when all is said and done, you'll see Summers/Allen/Lucas making each other better while putting multiple rings on their hands. Your boy Manny will have nothing but that Championship game loss to cling to for his career.

Iverson = made it to the NBA FINALS with garbage...
Nash = cant make it with a team full of all stars...

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you can have nash. Ill take Iverson...

I honestly cannot deal with this guy anymore...it started with me scratching my head...now I am just LMFAO at everything he rights.

Let me guess...you think Ryan Mallet and Ddub are "flawed too"?

I think he could be an all Big Ten player given great coaching. 3rd teamer? He has enough athleticism to be turned into a really good player. But that is my point, right now I think his game needs a lot of work and so does his body.

Hard to predict when I don't know who his coach will be. If they have an average Amaker type coach, maybe a 15 pt guy. I honestly see a Harris career out of him.

Moodini, when all is said and done, you'll see Summers/Allen/Lucas making each other better while putting multiple rings on their hands. Your boy Manny will have nothing but that Championship game loss to cling to for his career.
...and I can thank izzo for that.

Iverson = made it to the NBA FINALS with garbage...
Nash = cant make it with a team full of all stars...

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you can have nash. Ill take Iverson...

I honestly cannot deal with this guy anymore...it started with me scratching my head...now I am just LMFAO at everything he rights.

Let me guess...you think Ryan Mallet and Ddub are "flawed too"?

You've brought absolutely nothing to this argument. I claim Manny isn't that great, you disagree but can't give me any reasons why. You haven't told me anything about his game that you see. Maybe if you point out parts of his game that you feel are strong, I might have a little more respect. Instead, you just throw out ridiculous comments. Laughing at me? You said Lucas can not score at will and he can't take over a game, yet he took over a game against Manny, scored 42 points, and won!!!

Maybe if you backed your opinion, I might at least respect it. Right now you just sound like a football guy who can't back his bball opinion because he doesn't know how.

LMAO!! You're right Tre...Comparing Manny Harris to Allen Iverson and saying you wouldnt want him on your team is getting you real far...

The only leg you have to stand on is the fact that Lucas is going to play for one of the best programs in the country along with an amazing coach... while Corperryale is going to Michigan.

What do you want me to say about his game Tre? He is aggressive and gets to the line a ton? He has a querky release point on his J? His step back is one of the best I have seen. He has a wicked cross and an uncanny ability to draw contact. He has no interest in playing defense.

If you're assuming that i havent watched either play your dead wrong... So please stop assuming as much.

You keep going back to the game where Kalin had 42 points... I assume you mean the 37 he had in the 81-79 win over Redford.... That game where Harris sat out the first half and ended up with 27?

Is there anyway that I can get you to make more sports analogy's with these two...I mean the whole Iverson and Nash thing got me and a few of my boys at work STRAIGHT ROLLING...

Here you are ripping me for my assessment of Manny's game and you come with "Querky release point on his J and he has no interest in playing defense." Thank you for making my argument stronger! I didn't even touch on his ghost presence on the defensive side of the court.

How are you going to argue that this kid is great and then point out two major weaknesses?

I'm glad your maize and blue geek squad was rollin' at work. Manny has an Iverson type of game. Dribble....Dribble...more Dribbling...shot...more dribbling...shot...shot...shot

Lucas doesn't play anything like Nash, but the I made comparison do to his ability to make his teammates better. However, Lucas plays better D at 18 than Nash does now.

You apparantly hold Izzo in high esteem. If that is the case, how can you argue that Manny is better than Lucas when Izzo believes Lucas is the best he's ever recruited????????? Once again, you and your geek squad at work can roll on the floor all you want, I'll side with Izzo's assessment.

Here you are ripping me for my assessment of Manny's game and you come with "Querky release point on his J and he has no interest in playing defense." Thank you for making my argument stronger! I didn't even touch on his ghost presence on the defensive side of the court.

How are you going to argue that this kid is great and then point out two major weaknesses?

I'm glad your maize and blue geek squad was rollin' at work. Manny has an Iverson type of game. Dribble....Dribble...more Dribbling...shot...more dribbling...shot...shot...shot

Lucas doesn't play anything like Nash, but the I made comparison do to his ability to make his teammates better. However, Lucas plays better D at 18 than Nash does now.

You apparantly hold Izzo in high esteem. If that is the case, how can you argue that Manny is better than Lucas when Izzo believes Lucas is the best he's ever recruited????????? Once again, you and your geek squad at work can roll on the floor all you want, I'll side with Izzo's assessment.
If I recall, Izzo said that Lucas was the best PG that he has ever recruited?

...and BTW...my "geek squad" at work are all Spartan grads...Mike Valenti being one of which that you might have heard of??

If I recall, Izzo said that Lucas was the best PG that he has ever recruited?

...and BTW...my "geek squad" at work are all Spartan grads...Mike Valenti being one of which that you might have heard of??
...and since when is a "querky" release on a J such a weakness? The kid isnt a starting QB or the man at the top of the Yankees rotation...

See shawn Marion, Josh Childress, and he isnt anywhere near as bad as those two

They said Glenn Rice had a weird looking jump shot.
It looked pretty weird going through the hoop all the time.

Correct, Izzo said he's the best pg I've ever recruited. Pretty incredible praise seeing that he had a 2 time All American PG.

Querky release (not always) often leads to inconsistant shooting at the next level. How about the disappearing act on defense?

I usually don't do this, but it's "quirky".

Not trying to be a dick, but it makes the rest of the post difficult to digest.

I can honestly say that I have never spelled the word "quirky" before this thread lol...my bad Glenn.

Tre...Talk to me about superstars that play D in High School. Lets let real here buddy. I have seen guys like Malik, JC, Torbert, Trannon, Roberson, Devendorf, Douglas-Roberts, Bramos, Porter all disappear on defense in High School...lets be real here for a minute buddy.

True, but for every guy you named, there is one that does/did play D in hs and was a superstar. In addition, only a couple of those guys you mentioned play D now.

True, but for every guy you named, there is one that does/did play D in hs and was a superstar. In addition, only a couple of those guys you mentioned play D now.
I was just proving a point and I think that you and most of the board will agree...High School superstars usually play lackadaisical on the defensive side of the ball...

Muhme, I thought this was interesting. I guess somebody else isn't really thinking Manny isn't the best in this state.

Rivals:
Shooting guard Schools
1 Eric Gordon (6-4/205) Indiana
2 Jerryd Bayless (6-3/193) Arizona
3 James Harden (6-5/200) Arizona State
4 Austin Freeman (6-3/185) Georgetown
5 Darquavis Tucker (6-4/190) DePaul
6 Chris Allen (6-3/185) Michigan State
7 LaceDarius Dunn (6-4/190) Baylor
8 Corperryale Harris (6-4/170) Michigan
9 E'Twaun Moore (6-3/170) Purdue
10 Nolan Smith (6-3/175) Duke
[full list]

Muhme, I thought this was interesting. I guess somebody else isn't really thinking Manny isn't the best in this state.

Rivals:
Shooting guard Schools
1 Eric Gordon (6-4/205) Indiana
2 Jerryd Bayless (6-3/193) Arizona
3 James Harden (6-5/200) Arizona State
4 Austin Freeman (6-3/185) Georgetown
5 Darquavis Tucker (6-4/190) DePaul
6 Chris Allen (6-3/185) Michigan State
7 LaceDarius Dunn (6-4/190) Baylor
8 Corperryale Harris (6-4/170) Michigan
9 E'Twaun Moore (6-3/170) Purdue
10 Nolan Smith (6-3/175) Duke
[full list]
you can go back and check what I had previously posted...

If Dar Tucker would've won I wouldnt have had an issue.

you can go back and check what I had previously posted...

If Dar Tucker would've won I wouldnt have had an issue.

You wouldn't have had an issue with Tucker, but you would have had an issue with Lucas or Summers? Both of those guys had better years than Tucker. Keep in mind I've been on Tucker's bandwagon since he was a freshman in hs. I've been hyping him since he put on a great performance when Devendorf was a senior. But, he didn't have the year of the two future Spartans. I watched Tucker several times in person.

Tre, I think his response had to do with the fact that Dar is the only in-state prospect on that list higher than Manny, who just barely beat out Dar for the award.
The list you posted says nothing about Kalin or Durrell, probably because they consider Kalin a PG and Durrell a SF. It lists Allen higher, but of course he's not from the state of Michigan.

Muhme just seemed like he thought I was an insane homer when it came to Manny and he acted like he was clear and away the best player in the state. I disagree, that's what I wanted to point out.

Muhme just seemed like he thought I was an insane homer when it came to Manny and he acted like he was clear and away the best player in the state. I disagree, that's what I wanted to point out.
I think AT THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL Manny and Dar are clearly the best two in the state...Kalin is on the next tier.

I think AT THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL Manny and Dar are clearly the best two in the state..

So was Kelvin Torbert. That sure meant a whole lot.

Hey, he made it to the Final Four as a senior, right?

I heard that Manny officially is no longer a Wolverine and will not be one. There is a ton of buzz all over the message boards, but its being reported by some of the big whigs so I'm assuming its true.

I heard that Manny officially is no longer a Wolverine and will not be one. There is a ton of buzz all over the message boards, but its being reported by some of the big whigs so I'm assuming its true.
Yeah...word is Manny to Tennessee

I think AT THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL Manny and Dar are clearly the best two in the state...Kalin is on the next tier.

If you truly believe Manny and Dar are on a different tier than Kalin, than you don't know jack about basketball. I'm seriously not trying to offend you or insult your intelligence, not trying to start an argument either, but I've seen them all play. Kalin is hands down one of the best players I've ever seen in high school. I have no idea where you are coming at with this.

Now that Manny looks like he's a Vol though and not a Wolverine, I do believe he's the greatest player in the US. haha :) jk, him not being a Wolverine and me sticking to my guns just shows this wasn't Tre drinking haterade. Dude is overrated.

If you truly believe Manny and Dar are on a different tier than Kalin, than you don't know jack about basketball. I'm seriously not trying to offend you or insult your intelligence, not trying to start an argument either, but I've seen them all play. Kalin is hands down one of the best players I've ever seen in high school. I have no idea where you are coming at with this.

Now that Manny looks like he's a Vol though and not a Wolverine, I do believe he's the greatest player in the US. haha :) jk, him not being a Wolverine and me sticking to my guns just shows this wasn't Tre drinking haterade. Dude is overrated.
whatever pimpin...

Kalin will end up being the better of the three once college is said and done...but right now...Dar and Manny are a lot better...and I will honestly say I have seen kalin more than the other two.

I think that Manny is going to be good but not great over his college career. Tucker and Lucas and Summers all could become great, Harris more of a very good IMO.

Harris really impressed me during the playoffs though, he is able to tear up good D's in addition to horrid ones.

I think that Manny is going to be good but not great over his college career. Tucker and Lucas and Summers all could become great, Harris more of a very good IMO.

DSC, take off Tre's green goggles. Geeez.

DSC, take off Tre's green goggles. Geeez.

You watched the Manny DVD at my house the other night, tell everybody your take. Tell everybody you were extremely impressed. I'd love to hear it.

You won't be able to use "bad coaching" as an excuse now with Manny. We'll see how he ends up compared to the others. And Manny won't have to share shots and the ball with other AA like the guys at State.

DSC, take off Tre's green goggles. Geeez.

Mood - They are significantly better athletes and have some semblance of form on their shots. That makes their potential better. That being said I would take Manny this year, next year, and maybe part of their sophmore years. I just think that Summers and Tucker can do more long term. Now potential isn't anything till you prove it, so I'm confused by your taking offense, but whatever.

Manny is a legit top 50 player and will do very well this year and over his career, but doesn't say 'NBA first rounder' to me. Tucker and Summers could(not saying will) very well be lotto picks in a few years with their athleticism, feel, and ability.

Tre and DSC,

I did watch the highlight DVD the other night and I was pretty impressed. It wasn't jaw-dropping stuff, but impressive. His form is fine, except for some reason he spreads his legs on his J. (which I didn't really notice when I watched him at MSU) His slashing ability is unparalleled, and I was impressed with his ability to rebound, handle the rock and his leaping ability. I mean he had a LeBron style one handed cock-it-back dunk, and caught one off the board!

With all that said, I don't think he's one of the best players in the country, but I do think he deserved Mr. Basketball. He'll be solid in the B10 and if he bulks up, he'll have a chance to be an All-B10 performer.

Tre and DSC,

I did watch the highlight DVD the other night and I was pretty impressed. It wasn't jaw-dropping stuff, but impressive. His form is fine, except for some reason he spreads his legs on his J. (which I didn't really notice when I watched him at MSU) His slashing ability is unparalleled, and I was impressed with his ability to rebound, handle the rock and his leaping ability. I mean he had a LeBron style one handed cock-it-back dunk, and caught one off the board!

With all that said, I don't think he's one of the best players in the country, but I do think he deserved Mr. Basketball. He'll be solid in the B10 and if he bulks up, he'll have a chance to be an All-B10 performer.

OH MY GOSH DUDE! You can't be serious. You above all people are usually the most critical of unorthodox shooting form. I've got Moodini quotes up in the dome dating back to Joe O'Toole's "mystic shot" in 93'. And you are going to come here and say his form is fine? The dude does not follow through toward the hoop, his hand follows through to the right in the stands on every shot. Would you ever tell a kid you are working with to follow through 5 feet to the right of your target?! And yes his legs spread everytime. Would you ever tell a kid to do that? You claim I'm wearing goggles?! You claiming his form is fine is cracking me up cuz I've heard the critiquing through the years.

And you were impressed by his leaping ability?! He had one nice dunk on the whole video. Every other dunk was Tri Valley quality. He does not get up very high at all for a player of his hype. You know and I know you weren't very impressed with what you saw, your Michigan allegiance just won't let you admit it completely.

The worlds greatest point guard ever broke his ankle! uh oh

Man, I'm tired of injuries. I guess I could just go Michigan and say who cares, we're loaded. But, it does suck that Lucas broke his ankle especially since it came in an All Star game.

He will be back for the season, but it will hinder his improvement and strength training this offseason which is very important for freshman. damn! Things were going just too good.

Man, I'm tired of injuries. I guess I could just go Michigan and say who cares, we're loaded. But, it does suck that Lucas broke his ankle especially since it came in an All Star game.

He will be back for the season, but it will hinder his improvement and strength training this offseason which is very important for freshman. damn! Things were going just too good.
Yes but the good news is that by all reports it's a nice clean break with no ligament damage. He'll bounce back fine. I do agree though in that it's a shame for it to happen in one of those bullshit all-star games.

I guess I could just go Michigan and say who cares, we're loaded.

And when Michigan loses a key player, you, of course, always take the high road.


Sweet! I feel it.

And before you start with the "guys changing schools is a lot different than guys getting hurt" route, just don't.

And when Michigan loses a key player, you, of course, always take the high road.



And before you start with the "guys changing schools is a lot different than guys getting hurt" route, just don't.

Never claimed to hide my hatred for Michigan, never claimed not to celebrate when bad news comes there way. Never wish injuries on anyone though.

How ruined is Tre...I actually feel bad for the kid once in a while.

Kalin could take Jerrod Romulus off the dribble with the broken ankle.

How ruined is Tre...I actually feel bad for the kid once in a while.

WTF are you talking about? How ruined is Tre? Ruined over what? Lucas having an off season injury? Are you serious? I don't even know what you're talking about.

If you are talking Spartans, I don't know that there has ever been a better time to be a Spartan. Top 10 Pre Season Basketball team with 2 Top 5 classes coming in, Football team sucks but at least there is optimism with a new coach, National Championship Hockey team. You feel sorry for me? You're a joke.

WTF are you talking about? How ruined is Tre? Ruined over what? Lucas having an off season injury? Are you serious? I don't even know what you're talking about.

If you are talking Spartans, I don't know that there has ever been a better time to be a Spartan. Top 10 Pre Season Basketball team with 2 Top 5 classes coming in, Football team sucks but at least there is optimism with a new coach, National Championship Hockey team. You feel sorry for me? You're a joke.
You getting so pissed off...case in point. You're ruined.

You getting so pissed off...case in point. You're ruined.

Uh yeeeah, I'm "ruined." I don't even know what you're talking about anymore. The only thing I'm pissed about is having to decode your retarded posts everyday.

Uh yeeeah, I'm "ruined." I don't even know what you're talking about anymore. The only thing I'm pissed about is having to decode your retarded posts everyday.
hahhahaha...


I AM FUCKING WITH YOU. CALM DOWN.



:D



Some of you guys take this message board shit as life and death damn

That's the trouble with these Sparties, Muhme. They are so sensitive you'd think the Lifetime Channel was based in East Lansing.

Zip, you were the one who started to freak out like I shit on your face when I said that MSU will have a more vertical passing game now that John L is gone. I don't know maybe the Oxygen channel is located in Ann Arbor the whore?

Did you stay up for the last week to think of that ingenious comeback?

.........................um....................... ..haha?

Did you stay up for the last week to think of that ingenious comeback?

24 minutes between posts, and I'm guessing that he wasn't reading your post the second you posted it.

So this counts in your 'why is Zip allowed to post here' column more than your 'Hey, that was funny' column.

hahhahaha...
I AM FUCKING WITH YOU. CALM DOWN.
:D
Some of you guys take this message board shit as life and death damn

Dude, I've said this before, don't mistake coming strong as being pissed off in real life. I always come strong here especially on all things MSU. Doesn't mean I'm sitting at my computer with a scowl on my face ready to throw down. Jethro, Moodini, and I were just chillin today watching the draft throwing out one liners from WTF that we get all heated on here about and we were cracking up laughing. It's a mb to me, come strong and laugh about it at home.

Dude, I've said this before, don't mistake coming strong as being pissed off in real life. I always come strong here especially on all things MSU. Doesn't mean I'm sitting at my computer with a scowl on my face ready to throw down. Jethro, Moodini, and I were just chillin today watching the draft throwing out one liners from WTF that we get all heated on here about and we were cracking up laughing. It's a mb to me, come strong and laugh about it at home.

Tre: Next time you tell me to "get a grip", read THIS quote from yourself twenty five times.
If you still feel the need to tell me to check myself, then you are ordered to WRITE this quote of yours 100 million times.
When done, have your wife sign off, with a statement that she did not help you in any way, and she took your Tom Izzo Autographed Pajamas away until you completed the assignment.
Mail it to me in Omaha, or PM me the 100 million sentences along with your wife's affadavit.

Tre: Next time you tell me to "get a grip", read THIS quote from yourself twenty five times.
If you still feel the need to tell me to check myself, then you are ordered to WRITE this quote of yours 100 million times.
When done, have your wife sign off, with a statement that she did not help you in any way, and she took your Tom Izzo Autographed Pajamas away until you completed the assignment.
Mail it to me in Omaha, or PM me the 100 million sentences along with your wife's affadavit.

I said get a grip because of you complaining about every single thing a Spartan fan has written. Not because of bringing heat in a post. Stop reading your tales of the farting dog and come back to Earth.

Tre, I'm through with you. It's like arguing with a fucking twelve year old.
Everything is someone elses fault, and everyone else starts shit, and everyone else doesn't post according to your rules.
You remind me of the Robert Duvall character in Colors, when he pins Sean Penn up against the wall and says, "You got a problem with the world, and I'm in it". Just scroll the fuck on by my posts from now on, you worthless twit.